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House Takes Aim at Patriot Act Secret Searches
Reuters ^ | July 22, 2003 | Andrew Clark

Posted on 07/22/2003 9:12:47 PM PDT by ellery

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. House of Representatives voted overwhelmingly on Tuesday to roll back a key provision, which allows the government to conduct secret "sneak and peek" searches of private property, of a sweeping anti-terrorism law passed soon after the Sept. 11 attacks.

The House voted 309-118 to attach the provision to a $37.9 billion bill funding the departments of Commerce, State and Justice. It would be the first change in the controversial USA Patriot Act since the law was enacted in October, 2001.

The move would block the Justice Department from using any funds to take advantage of the section of the act that allows it to secretly search the homes of suspects and only inform them later that a warrant had been issued to do so.

Supporters of the change say that violates both the U.S. Constitution and the long-standing common law "knock and announce" principle -- which states the government cannot enter or search private property without first notifying the owner.

"Not only does this provision allow the seizure of personal and business records without notification, but it also opens the door to nationwide search warrants and allowing the CIA and NSA to operate domestically," said the amendment's sponsor, Idaho Republican Rep. C.L. "Butch" Otter.

The Justice Department recently told Congress that it had already executed 47 "sneak and peek" searches and had sought to delay notification of search warrants in a total of 250 cases, said Ohio Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich.

"I would suggest to you that just one would constitute a threat to our Bill of Rights," he said.

The Patriot Act, which granted broad new powers to U.S. law enforcers, was passed by Congress with little debate in the immediate aftermath of Sept. 11 and signed into law by President Bush just six weeks after the attacks.

Since then, it has come under increasing criticism from lawmakers and civil liberties advocates from both ends of the political spectrum. The House is now expected to pass the broader spending bill on Wednesday.

"Given its overwhelming passage this evening, the amendment is highly significant and a herald of more fix-Patriot measures to come," said Laura Murphy, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Washington legislative office.

U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft -- who has become a lightning rod for concerns over the possible erosion of U.S. civil liberties -- defended the Patriot Act on Monday, saying criticism of it was based on exaggerations and falsehoods.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
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Credit to Huck for finding this.
1 posted on 07/22/2003 9:12:48 PM PDT by ellery
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To: Huck
Posted to its own thread...
2 posted on 07/22/2003 9:13:14 PM PDT by ellery
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To: ellery
This is great news!
3 posted on 07/22/2003 9:14:45 PM PDT by vpintheak (Our Liberties we prize, and our rights we will maintain!)
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To: vpintheak
I agree -- it's been a damn fine day for America!

Here's a link to the vote results:
http://clerkweb.house.gov/cgi-bin/vote.exe?year=2003&rollnumber=408
4 posted on 07/22/2003 9:21:22 PM PDT by ellery
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To: ellery
Excellent!

"Bush was just playing savvy politics, knowing that the House would repeal his police state policy before Hillary took over" -Bushbot
5 posted on 07/22/2003 9:23:17 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: vpintheak
Ha -- Gephardt didn't even bother to vote. File that nugget away for future use...
6 posted on 07/22/2003 9:23:33 PM PDT by ellery
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To: ellery
FINAL VOTE RESULTS FOR ROLL CALL 408
(Republicans in roman; Democrats in italic; Independents underlined)

      H R 2799     RECORDED VOTE     22-JUL-2003   7:42 PM
      AUTHOR(S): Otter of Idaho Amendment
      QUESTION: On Agreeing to the Amendment

AYES NOES PRES NV
REPUBLICAN 113 114   1
DEMOCRATIC 195 4   6
INDEPENDENT 1      
TOTALS 309 118   7

--- AYES    309 ---

Ackerman Hall Olver
Akin Harris Ortiz
Alexander Hastings (FL) Osborne
Allen Hastings (WA) Ose
Andrews Hayworth Otter
Baca Hefley Owens
Bachus Hensarling Pallone
Baird Hill Pascrell
Baker Hinchey Pastor
Baldwin Hinojosa Paul
Ballance Hobson Payne
Barrett (SC) Hoeffel Pelosi
Bartlett (MD) Holden Peterson (MN)
Barton (TX) Holt Peterson (PA)
Becerra Honda Petri
Bell Hooley (OR) Pickering
Bereuter Hoyer Pombo
Berman Inslee Pomeroy
Berry Israel Porter
Biggert Issa Portman
Bilirakis Istook Price (NC)
Bishop (GA) Jackson (IL) Pryce (OH)
Bishop (NY) Jackson-Lee (TX) Putnam
Bishop (UT) Janklow Radanovich
Blumenauer Jefferson Rahall
Blunt Jenkins Rangel
Boehner John Rehberg
Bonner Johnson (IL) Reyes
Bono Johnson, E. B. Rodriguez
Boozman Jones (NC) Rogers (AL)
Boswell Jones (OH) Rohrabacher
Boucher Kanjorski Ros-Lehtinen
Boyd Kaptur Ross
Brady (PA) Kennedy (RI) Rothman
Brown (OH) Kildee Roybal-Allard
Brown, Corrine Kilpatrick Ruppersberger
Burgess Kind Rush
Burns King (IA) Ryan (OH)
Burr Kingston Sabo
Calvert Kirk Sanchez, Linda T.
Capps Kleczka Sanchez, Loretta
Capuano Kucinich Sanders
Cardin LaHood Sandlin
Cardoza Lampson Schakowsky
Carson (IN) Langevin Schiff
Carson (OK) Lantos Schrock
Case Larsen (WA) Scott (GA)
Castle Larson (CT) Scott (VA)
Clay Latham Serrano
Clyburn LaTourette Shaw
Cole Leach Sherman
Cooper Lee Shimkus
Costello Levin Shuster
Cramer Lewis (GA) Simpson
Crane Lewis (KY) Skelton
Crenshaw Linder Slaughter
Crowley Lipinski Smith (NJ)
Cubin Lofgren Smith (WA)
Culberson Lowey Snyder
Cummings Lucas (KY) Solis
Davis (AL) Lucas (OK) Spratt
Davis (CA) Lynch Stark
Davis (FL) Majette Stearns
Davis (IL) Maloney Stenholm
Davis, Jo Ann Manzullo Strickland
Davis, Tom Markey Stupak
DeFazio Marshall Sullivan
DeGette Matheson Tancredo
Delahunt Matsui Tanner
DeLauro McCarthy (MO) Tauscher
Deutsch McCarthy (NY) Taylor (MS)
Dicks McCollum Taylor (NC)
Dingell McCotter Terry
Doggett McCrery Thompson (CA)
Dooley (CA) McDermott Thompson (MS)
Doyle McGovern Tiberi
Duncan McHugh Tierney
Dunn McIntyre Toomey
Edwards McNulty Towns
Ehlers Meehan Turner (TX)
Emanuel Meeks (NY) Udall (CO)
Emerson Menendez Udall (NM)
Engel Mica Van Hollen
English Michaud Velazquez
Eshoo Millender-McDonald Visclosky
Etheridge Miller (FL) Walden (OR)
Evans Miller, George Wamp
Everett Mollohan Waters
Farr Moore Watson
Fattah Moran (KS) Watt
Filner Moran (VA) Waxman
Flake Murtha Weiner
Fletcher Musgrave Weldon (FL)
Foley Myrick Weldon (PA)
Forbes Nadler Wexler
Frank (MA) Napolitano Whitfield
Franks (AZ) Neal (MA) Wicker
Frost Nethercutt Wilson (SC)
Gonzalez Neugebauer Woolsey
Gordon Ney Wu
Grijalva Nussle Wynn
Gutierrez Oberstar Young (AK)
Gutknecht Obey Young (FL)
--- NOES    118 ---

Abercrombie Gillmor Nunes
Aderholt Gingrey Oxley
Ballenger Goode Pearce
Bass Goodlatte Pence
Beauprez Goss Pitts
Blackburn Granger Platts
Boehlert Graves Quinn
Bonilla Green (TX) Ramstad
Bradley (NH) Green (WI) Regula
Brady (TX) Greenwood Renzi
Brown (SC) Harman Reynolds
Brown-Waite, Ginny Hart Rogers (KY)
Burton (IN) Hayes Rogers (MI)
Buyer Herger Royce
Camp Hoekstra Ryan (WI)
Cannon Hostettler Ryun (KS)
Cantor Houghton Saxton
Capito Hulshof Sensenbrenner
Carter Hunter Sessions
Chabot Hyde Shadegg
Chocola Isakson Shays
Coble Johnson (CT) Sherwood
Collins Johnson, Sam Simmons
Cox Keller Smith (MI)
Cunningham Kelly Smith (TX)
Deal (GA) Kennedy (MN) Souder
DeLay King (NY) Sweeney
DeMint Kline Tauzin
Diaz-Balart, L. Knollenberg Thomas
Diaz-Balart, M. Kolbe Thornberry
Doolittle Lewis (CA) Tiahrt
Dreier LoBiondo Turner (OH)
Feeney McInnis Upton
Fossella McKeon Vitter
Frelinghuysen Miller (MI) Walsh
Gallegly Miller (NC) Weller
Garrett (NJ) Miller, Gary Wilson (NM)
Gerlach Murphy Wolf
Gibbons Northup
Gilchrest Norwood
--- NOT VOTING    7 ---

Berkley Ferguson Meek (FL)
Conyers Ford
Davis (TN) Gephardt



7 posted on 07/22/2003 9:25:22 PM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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8 posted on 07/22/2003 9:28:39 PM PDT by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: Beelzebubba
Wonderful, my rep, Garrett of NJ will be getting a po'ed cll to his office in the morning. I had such high hopes for him after sufferuing under RINO Roukema for over 20 years, and while he has been steadily conservative fiscally, he's been somewhat of a dissapointment overall. :-(
9 posted on 07/22/2003 9:30:13 PM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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To: Beelzebubba
:-)
10 posted on 07/22/2003 9:30:25 PM PDT by ellery
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To: ellery
Idaho Republican Rep. C.L. "Butch" Otter.

Not too much chance of an attack on Idaho, which is why this idiot chooses to play games with national security.

11 posted on 07/22/2003 9:38:08 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Convicted felons for Kerry)
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To: Rome2000
Well, it didn't take long...11 comments before we got to hear from the opposition to the clear intent of the Fourth Amendment:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Butch Otter did the right thing. We do ourselves no favors by eliminating that which makes our country great.

12 posted on 07/22/2003 9:43:46 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: B Knotts
but doesn't the DoI say

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are Life, Safety, and National Security. "

13 posted on 07/22/2003 9:48:28 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (hoist by his own petard. always funny.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Give a liberal a sharpie and I bet it will.
14 posted on 07/22/2003 9:50:27 PM PDT by Bogey78O (I'll vote Conservative till I die....Democrat soon after)
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To: B Knotts
The 4th Ammendment has been pissed on by the Feds and the States for years, at least this time its for a good reason.

Theres no time to see a liberal judge and get denied a search warrant right before a nuke goes off in a major American city (and it aint gonna be in friggin Idaho).

Approriate modifications are prudent and necessary,those opposing them irresponsible at best and in league with the enemy at worse.

More Republicans voted against this stupid bill than for it,the rats were near unanimous in favor.

That ought to tell you something right there, but I doubt it willl sink in.

15 posted on 07/22/2003 10:00:35 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Convicted felons for Kerry)
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To: Rome2000; B Knotts
"Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves." -William Pitt (1783)
16 posted on 07/22/2003 10:17:08 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (hoist by his own petard. always funny.)
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To: Rome2000
Theres no time to see a liberal judge and get denied a search warrant right before a nuke goes off in a major American city (and it aint gonna be in friggin Idaho).

Methinks you misread; what the Patriot Act did was not cut out the judge, but cut out the notification given at the start of a search.

17 posted on 07/22/2003 10:20:05 PM PDT by steveegg (Uday and Qusay are now reunited with their daddy; confirmation that Saddam is also there pending)
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To: Oztrich Boy
In 1783 they used horse and buggies and the most dangerous weapon in the world was a cannon.

WMD are real and all prudent measures to guard American citizens must be taken.

Ashcroft said it's clear that public safety officers want to stop terrorists.

"Our business is to secure liberty," he added. "We don't invade or undermine it."

18 posted on 07/22/2003 10:23:35 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Convicted felons for Kerry)
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To: Rome2000
And England was facing a regime just as brutal and militarily far more formidable than Saddam's
19 posted on 07/22/2003 10:26:54 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (hoist by his own petard. always funny.)
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To: steveegg
what the Patriot Act did was not cut out the judge, but cut out the notification given at the start of a search

Right, but the Feds don't have to go to a judge once the initial approval is given.

If the FBI wants to investigate a suspected terrroist cell at a mosque,they can do it without having to get individual warrants every time the guy buys a new throwaway cellphone.

20 posted on 07/22/2003 10:33:59 PM PDT by Rome2000 (Convicted felons for Kerry)
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