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MSNBC: Alleged (Kobe Byrant) Victim seen bragging at a party 3 days later
MSNBC.COM ^ | 7/22/03 | MSNBC

Posted on 07/22/2003 8:20:57 AM PDT by Smogger

I just saw it on MSNBC. They said she was at a party a week ago, 3 days before Kobe was charged.

They said she was drinking (consumption by a minor) and playing cards, and was bragging about.....(MSNBC took out the audio at the end of sentence)

The story was confirmed by 5 people at separate places and times who were at the party and all gave a similar account of what happened.

When asked how the girl looked, the guy interviewed said she looked happy. Everyone was shocked to see her at the party given the incident.

I think someone may have even asked how hung was Kobe upon which she described with hand gestures. She seemed to be bragging according to a friend, but said she couldn't tell them what happened that night.

This just keeps getting better and better...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: cokeheads; devolved; haddonliars; kobebryant; lakers; oj2; rape; rkriotsagain; rolemodels; snowman
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To: nyconse
Kobe and his lawyers don't want witnesses testimony made public, they want to trash the girl without having to defend Kobe from lies and innuendo.

Nobody is trashing the girl but her so-called friends, classmates, and townies. Why do you and others keep asserting the otherwise? If you have some evidence that the defense in this case is encouraging these the townspeople to come forward with and/or make up lies about the alleged victim I suggest you post them.

401 posted on 07/22/2003 2:31:54 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: phreebass
Kobe being found innocent is NOT going to result her being found guilty of filing false charges, even in your bizarro universe.

So I guess that girl in Michael Irvin's case didn't actually get charged, huh? Anyway, I didn't say she would, I said there's a chance she would if she lied.

Actually, if you had read it, that was a rhetorical question which I answered was un UNLIKELY scenario.

Yeah, right. You out and out said she will crack.

Get with the program... This was not some sorta press conference for your anonymous victim. It was apparently a simple party.. and the her behavior was reported by the person who was throwing the party... and several other witnesses.

Still you're automatically assuming she was at a party. Big assumption.

402 posted on 07/22/2003 2:32:50 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: Phantom Lord
Neal Boortz proposed yesterday, because of the high percentage of rape allegations that are false that a law should be passed that if you accuse someone of rape falsely, you go to jail for the amount of time the wrongly accused would have served if convicted.

That wouldn't apply in this case. There was sexual intercourse between the two of them, so outside of the unlikely prospect of some solid evidence that she consented to it, there is no way that an acquittal of Kobe would be interpreted as a false allegation on the part of his accuser.

403 posted on 07/22/2003 2:33:45 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: #3Fan
Still you're automatically assuming she was at a party

Her friend (the one acting as a spokespersons have confirmed that she was present.

404 posted on 07/22/2003 2:34:34 PM PDT by Smogger
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To: #3Fan
Yeah, right. You out and out said she will crack.

Doubtfull... Perry Mason or Matlock is going to get her to crack up on the stand and she is going to admit that she made the whole thing up? Unlikely.. SHE is the one who led the charge out of the colorado woodwork... not the other way around.

Still you're automatically assuming she was at a party. Big assumption.

It was confirmed she was at the party. There's a big something around here... but it aint an assumption.

405 posted on 07/22/2003 2:38:06 PM PDT by phreebass
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To: Smogger
Her friend (the one acting as a spokespersons have confirmed that she was present.

Another "friend". Man she has a lot of friends.

406 posted on 07/22/2003 2:39:41 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: phreebass
It was confirmed she was at the party. There's a big something around here... but it aint an assumption.

Confirmed by more "friends", I bet.

407 posted on 07/22/2003 2:40:33 PM PDT by #3Fan
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To: onyx
His reputation is forever blackened

We should leave race out of this....... JUST JOKING!!!

408 posted on 07/22/2003 2:42:23 PM PDT by FITZ
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To: FITZ
LOL! I was going to type "tarnished" but decided in favor "blackened" because I think his reputation is beyond tarnished!
409 posted on 07/22/2003 2:44:02 PM PDT by onyx (Name an honest democrat? I can't either!)
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To: honeygrl
if he's not guilty then HE is the victim.

I'd like to posit a third alternative. I believe that there are situations -- and this may be one of them -- that it is not exactly rape but then it is not entirely consensual. That is, the two agreed to have sex, but they each had such a different idea of the type or nature of the sex that they would have that there was no "meeting of the minds" before there was a meeting of the genitals.

Of course, no one (outside of Antioch College) actually sits down and negotiates the terms of a sexual encounter, especially when the two are strangers or near strangers and the sex is illicit. One can see that the woman could easily feel that she was the victim of false pretenses which -- after she gives it some thought -- causes her to conclude that she really didn't consent to what happened and therefore it must have been rape.
410 posted on 07/22/2003 2:47:27 PM PDT by Iwo Jima
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To: nyconse
Kobe and his lawyers don't want witnesses testimony made public

They shouldn't be made public; they can't be cross-examined.

411 posted on 07/22/2003 2:52:00 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: Hodar
In the case of Kobe Bryant, this girl waited nearly 2 weeks before crying rape. No medical evidence whatsoever.

I'm just catching up reading this thread, so I hope by now you've been told you are dead wrong on what you said above.

How can you post such disinformation?

412 posted on 07/22/2003 2:59:04 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Mr. Bird
If so, why did Bryant have to fly back to Colorado for booking? This happened at approximately midnight, right? So did she sleep on it?

The cops were at his hotel door 24 hours after the alleged incident and three (yes, THREE) hours later escorted him to a hospital for DNA samples to be taken. He then was allowed to go about his business until the time you refer to.

413 posted on 07/22/2003 3:01:31 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: nyconse
"Kobe and his lawyers don't want witnesses testimony made public, they want to trash the girl without having to defend Kobe from lies and innuendo. "

Show me exactly where KB or his lawyers have trashed the girl. They haven't trashed her. Her "friends" are the ones talking.
414 posted on 07/22/2003 3:07:45 PM PDT by honeygrl
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To: cyncooper
How can you post such disinformation?

hold on there partner ... the fact that the 'victim' waited before calling it 'rape' brings into question a whole gauntlet of assorted questions. She could have just as well waited 2 weeks. Did she feel 'cheap' the next morning? Didn't Kobe call her the next day? Did she not get pregnant, and now is not going to get 18 yrs of a lavish lifestyle through child support? Was this an extortion attempt, and Kobe refused to pay? It is NOT uncommon for a man to be tried for a rape that didn't take place. Google has tons of examples.

I don't know the facts, and neither do you. We know that a nameless victim has accused Kobe Bryant of rape. Kobe Bryant must now PROVE his innocence, or go to jail. He may have already have lost millions of dollars, merely because of the accusation (whether true or false is immaterial). The girl risks NOTHING. Now, if Kobe did indeed rape the girl; I'd say that he should receive the maximum punishment allowed by law. However, celebrities are targets for extortion. Why would a young lady go to a man's hotel room in the wee hours of the morning? Did she think that a man would assume that all a young woman would want would be an 'autograph'??

If the rape occured, why did she wait? Would you wait 12 hours if you were mugged, before calling the police? Would you wait 12 hours before calling the police if you had been assaulted? Would you wait 12 hours before calling the police if your car were stolen? I have questions about the time lapse. I think they are legitimate questions. If there were not a significant time lapse before she contacted authorities... then I'd be far more likely to believe the woman carte' blanche. I mean, she was in a hotel ... she worked there. She knew what goes on in those rooms; she knew the risks, and she knew people she could call out to for help. She also knew that all she had to do was scream; and somebody would hear her. It wasn't like she was in an abandoned building.

415 posted on 07/22/2003 3:12:52 PM PDT by Hodar (With Rights, comes Responsibilities. Don't assume one, without assuming the other.)
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To: Smogger
Nobody is trashing the girl but her so-called friends, classmates, and townies.

Who ARE these people? Do they have names and faces that they are willing to disclose on screen, or will they only whisper to reporters this schtuff on the condition of anonymity? Are they any more eager to get their high school yearbook pics posted on the net and risk their dirty little secrets being revealed at every supermarket checkout stand in the free world? It's revealing how you -- and MSNBS -- give immediate credibility to these "so-called friends" when you know less about them then we know about her.

Hasn't it occurred to you that there may be people who, for whatever deep or shallow reasons, simply DON'T LIKE THIS WOMAN, and would concoct a way to sabotage a trial just as easily as perhaps you believe the woman falsely charged Kobe?

This woman auditioned for American Idol and didn't make the grade. I am a big fan of someone who DID become a top ten finalist, and on her official AI message board, people who claim to know her (there's no way to know if they do -- on the internet, no one knows you're a dog) have apparently dedicated all their free time to making sure that America hates her as much as they do. From posting fact-free accusations of cocaine possession arrests and sex acts on video to an orchestrated scheme to spread a false rumor she was kicked off the Idol tour because a joint was discovered in her purse, the malicious and jealous never rest, all in a campaign to inflict pain.

One particular hater said of the aforementioned AI finalist, "Doesn't it say something that everyone who knows her hates her?" To which I replied, "Your actions say more about the kind of person that hates her."

416 posted on 07/22/2003 3:19:15 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: Hodar
hold on there partner ... the fact that the 'victim' waited before calling it 'rape' brings into question a whole gauntlet of assorted questions. She could have just as well waited 2 weeks.

Nice try. Admit you blew it, and then we'll take your other opinions seriously.

417 posted on 07/22/2003 3:21:29 PM PDT by L.N. Smithee (Just because I don't think like you doesn't mean I don't think for myself)
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To: Hildy
Come on!

We all know that all of these 'anonymous' married NBA players would never lie to defend 'squeaky clean' Kobe Bryant, cover their own butts, and protect their massive multi-million dollar endorsement contracts!

The media is always using at least 'two reliable sources' so the rumors and stories all must be true!

Are you really suggesting Bryant's defense attorneys are using other lawyers not hired by them and also professional athetes to taint the Colorado jury pool and press for a change of venue to OJ land?

Money cannot buy pre-trial aquittal!

Are you trying to make Kobe cry again?
418 posted on 07/22/2003 3:22:16 PM PDT by autoresponder (PETA TERRORISTS .wav file: BRUCE FRIEDRICH: http://tinyurl.com/hjhd)
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To: L.N. Smithee
Good post

Check mine
419 posted on 07/22/2003 3:27:04 PM PDT by autoresponder (PETA TERRORISTS .wav file: BRUCE FRIEDRICH: http://tinyurl.com/hjhd)
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To: Verax
I was listening to the big local talk radio show here in Denver and the latest info is that there is a very "brutal" aspect to the assault and that the physical injury is still very apparent today..three weeks after the incident.

Also that there was some type of non-vaginal injury.

Here's the story:

Bryant accuser's injuries 'obvious'

Excerpt:

EAGLE - The alleged victim in the Kobe Bryant sexual-assault case suffered obvious physical injuries that are still apparent three weeks after the incident, a friend told The Denver Post on Monday.

420 posted on 07/22/2003 3:28:03 PM PDT by cyncooper
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