[DCBryan1]

Let me know if a Me262 or Focke wolfe is there, I'll buy it and restore it :)

[So Cal Rocket]

It took almost 60 years to find these... how long will it take to find Iraq's WMD

[BradyLS]

Geraldo will get to the bottom of this. Or he'll eat... something.

[Plutarch]

Hmmm, where is that dang shovel....?

[lafroste]

It is now the main destination for discount airlines

Well, It IS a discount airline. Waddya expect? Caviar?

[Husker24]

This would be awsome, but unfortunately the German government would probably chop them up and sell them as scrap metal. It would be something if there was some of those jet fighters down there.

[jimtorr]

Nothing new here. There are bunkers virtually everywhere under berlin. A number of them have not been entered since 1945, when the Nazi's booby-trapped them with very large amounts of explosives during the Russian invasion of the city.

This, according to a friend who was in the army unit responsible for border and bunker security in the early '70's. He talked a lot, without ever getting too specific.

He also mentioned underground hangers under a number of airports in and around Berlin.

[Consort]

Hoheitszeichen am Kraftwagen für Generale der Luftwaffe

[Live free or die]

I don't think some people understand just how far ahead they were. This is the Ho IX. A jet-propelled flying wing, stealthy to radar and could fly up to 500 mph. This machine actually flew during the war and the original is in the Smithsonian.

I'd love to see one of these.

[Live free or die]

Here's one of their Berlin to New York and back bombers that never made it off the drawing board, but still...it'd be cool to see it.

[Pan_Yans Wife]

Ping

[Consort]

               German Fighter Aces

Name	Kills
Erich Hartmann	352
Gerhard Barkhorn	301
Günther Rall	275
Otto Kittel	267
Walter Nowotny	258
Wilhlem Batz	237
Erich Rudorffer	224
Heinz Bär	221
Hermann Graf	212
Heinrich Ehrler	208
Theodor Weissenberger	208
Hans Philipp	206
Walter Schuck	206
Anton Hafner	204
Helmut Lipfert	203
Walter Krupinski	197
Anton Hackl	192
Joachim Brendel	189
Max Stotz	189
Joachim Kirschner	188
Kurt Brändle	180
Günther Josten	178
Johannes Steinhoff	178
Ernst-Wilhelm Reinert	174
Günther Schack	174
Emil Lang	173
Heinz Schmidt	173
Horst Ademeit	166
Wolf-Dietrich Wilcke	162
Hans-Joachim Marseille	158
Heinrich Sturm	158
Gerhard Thyben	157
Hans Beisswenger	152
Peter Düttmann	152
Gordon Gollob	150
Fritz Tegtmeier	146
Albin Wolf	144
Kurt Tanzer	143
Friedrich-Karl Müller	140
Karl Gratz	138
Heinrich Setz	138
Rudolf Trenkel	138
Walter Wolfrum	137
Horst-Günther von Fassong	136
Otto Fönnekold	136
Karl-Heinz Weber	136
Joachim Muencheberg	135
Hans Waldmann	134
Alfred Grislawski	133
Franz Schall	133
Johannes Wiese	133
Adolf Borchers	132
Adolf Dickfeld	132
Erwin Clausen	132
Wilhelm Lemke	131
Gerhard Hoffmann	130
Franz Eisenach	129
Walther Dahl	129
Heinrich Sterr	129
Franz Dörr	128
Rudolf Rademacher	126
Josef Zwernemann	126
Dietrich Hrabak	125
Wolf Ettel	124
Herbert Ihlefeld	123
Wolfgang Tonne	122
Heinz Marquardt	121
Heinz-Wolfgang Schnaufer	121
Robert Weiss	121
Erich Leie	121
Friedrich Obleser	120
Franz-Josef Beerenbrock	117
Hans-Joachim Birkner	117
Jakob Norz	117
Walter Oesau	117
Heinz Wernicke	117
August Lambert	116
Wilhelm Crinius	114
Werner Schroer	114
Hans Dammers	113
Berthold Korts	113
Helmut Lent	113
Kurt Bühligen	112
Kurt Ubben	110
Franz Woidich	110
Reinhard Seiler	109
Emil Bitsch	108
Hans Hahn	108
Bernhard Vechtel	108
Viktor Bauer	106
Werner Lucas	106
Günther Lützow	105
Eberhard von Boremski	104
Heinz Sachsenberg	104
Adolf Galland	103
Hartmann Grasser	103
Siegfried Freytag	102
Friedrich Geisshardt	102
Egon Mayer	102
Max-Hellmuth Ostermann	102
Josef Wurmheller	102
Rudolf Miethig	101
Werner Mölders	101
Josef Priller	101
Ulrich Wernitz	101

[Starrgaizr]

Bombs under the runway... that would give me even more incentive to grease in my landings.

[Experiment 6-2-6]

but a thorough check on the claims in the Stasi files - 140 km of them that will still take a number of years to decipher

Not to gets off topic, or nuthin', but what exactly is this 140 km of them?

Is that, like, if put end to end, they would be 140 kilometers high?

Somebody clue me in here...

[AnalogReigns]

"Frank Henkel, the Conservative interior ministry spokesman, said: 'This must be investigated thoroughly and immediately and the runways strengthened if necessary.'"

Goodness gracious...they have possible (probable?) TONS of live ammunition, along with potentially extremely valuable aircraft there, and all he wants to do is strengthen the runways???

In one of the richest neighbrohoods in Washington DC a few years ago they discovered things that had not been cleaned up properly by the military--it was a former munitions test ground from WWI. LOTS of gov. money spent digging up what ended up being mostly just shrapnell--I think they found at most a couple of live rounds, but there were potential mustard gas shells there, can be called WMDs.....so well, your tax dollars at work. A different mentality from Germany, for sure.

[wolficatZ]

Returning to the subject of the thread....

Henschel
Henschel Flugzeugwerke AG, Berlin-Schönefeld

(google german\english translation)

For a long time before beginning of the war the companies Askania and Siemens experimented with autopilots for unmanned airplanes. Zurgleichen time had built the German laboratory for aviation (DVL) a model airplane for the testing of these autopilots, from which a projectile should become later. The uncontrolled drop tests did not run however satisfyingly and the autopilots were not built. At the end of of 1939 came closer the RLM to the aircraft industry, in order to continue the experiments. The company Henschel showed interest. Their intensive developments led to the construction of glide bombs, as well as projectiles to the fight of hostile airplanes.

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Henschel Hs 117 "butterfly"

Professor Herbert wagner of the company Henschel had already submitted the project of a Fla rocket Hs 297 in the RLM to 1941. Since one believed however at this time in the RLM, such a weapon is not no more needed, is rejected the project. 1943 one had it then however suddenly terribly hasty and demanded its development with the highest priority level.

Dipl. Ing. Henrici entrusted with the execution of the development that now as Hs 117 designated Fla rocket. A subsonic rocket developed as midwing monoplane with swept bearing areas until spring 1944. As engine served two solid-propellant rockets for the start, which were thrown off after this. Afterwards a liquid engine walter HWK 107-729 provided for a thrust of 380 kp. For the kind of bevelling a kind carriage was used. The control was made by radio (radio command steering element). With the first 1944 21 starts accomplished from May to November heights to 11000 m were reached. The Hs 117 was beside "wasserfall" the only Fla rocket, which was used still.
The maximum climbing height of the Hs 117 was with 15000 m. the operating altitude should however only 10500 m amount to and also for high-flying bombers would have been enough. The maximum speed was reached briefly after the start and should be brought in the course of the attempts up to 1100 km/h. Sample firings were however only accomplished to Mach 0.8. So that the projectile kept constantly a certain Mach number, a Mach meter was inserted, which could affect the flow control valve for the supply of fuel over a pitot tube. With end of war the Hs was 117 widens developed German Fla rocket.

When the "commission demanded 1944 for the computation of the hostile air terror" a snapping solution for a large-caliber on-board rocket, the Hs 117 H developed (without booster rockets). As engine a BMW served 109-558 with this version. After sliding attempts in May 1944 28 Hs 117 were successfully tested. In January 1945 the first standard set was finished. There on 6 February 1945 on instruction of the SS Obergruppenfuehrers Kammler the development and production of the Hs 117 responsible for the V-weapons was stopped. An effective weapon against the hostile bomber formations was switched off thereby. Still on 14 January 1945 Professor Wagner had submitted the project S 11 (butterfly 11), as advancement of the Hs 117. It was received two days later with the Flak test site E 5. To the examination of this project at the supreme command of the Air Force (OKL) it did not come however any longer.

Technical data: Fla rocket (soil/air)
Drive:
1.Starthilfe by two Schmidding 109-553-Feststoffraketen with ever 1750 kp (for 4 seconds)
2. a BMW 109-558-Fluessigkeitsraketenmotor with 380 kp initial thrust
Fuel: approx. 60 kg sports association material and 13 kg r-material; 2x 40 kg of Diglykol (solid-propellant rockets)
Control: Radio command steering element
Sprengkopf: Head of projectile with 23 kg of pulverladung and electrical fuze

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Henschel Hs 293

To the Hs 293 I already provided a side with the start of my homepage. The following left leads there.
Detail to the glide bomb Hs 293

All further versions of the Henschel Hs 293 are explained briefly in the following.

Henschel Hs 293 A

Employment version, which was produced with a walter engine and a radio command steering element in approximately 1700 pieces. As carriers the following airplane samples were used: Heinkel He 111, Dornier DO 217, Fock Wulf L.G. 200 and Heinkel He 177. The planned re-equipment of the Junkers Ju 290 did not become finished. Likewise was tried to use the large transporter Blohm&Voss Bv 222 as carriers. The Hs 293 A possessed the bomb body the sports club 500 high-explosive bomb as sprengkopf, was thus substantially weaker than the stuff he drop bomb and could only against smaller and easily armored units be used. Since wing profile and cell were not sketched for supersonic speed, behind each wingtip end resistance bodies were attached by way of trial, which let the resistance rise starting from Mach 0.75 to 0.8 so rapidly that the speed did not increase. They were not used however any longer.

Technical data: Steered glide bomb (air/soil)
Drive: a walter HWK 109-507-Fluessigkeitsraketenmotor mit590 kp thrust (for 10 seconds)
Fuel: T-material and z-material
Control: Radio command steering element
Sprengkopf: Bomb head with 325 to 500 kg of pulverladung and impact fuzes

Henschel Hs 293 B

Attempt execution with wire steering element. In this version the missile carried for 20 km wire with itself, while by the carrier aircraft additionally still 10 to 12 km wire could be unwound. Otherwise this version corresponded to the execution Hs 293 A perfectly.

Henschel Hs 293 C

Modification of the Hs 293 A as testbeds for the underwater head of the Hs 294 with tripping edge.

Henschel Hs 293 D

Attempt execution with television guidance. This version possessed the base of the Hs 293 A, however on the bomb head as nose accessory the television camera developed. A further trunk auxiliary piece was between nose and tail part and accommodated the television station. The third accessory was finally the large Yagi array at the tail. The control took place as with the remarks with a control stick, directed by radio or wire, however goal covering was made via the attendant by a television screen, in whose center the goal had to always stand. This task proved however as too difficult and could not be made not operational up to the end of the war. Into this version the new Schmidding glide bomb engine was built also for the first time, which particularly as replacement for the too low-power walter engine 109-507 one had developed.

Henschel Hs 293 G

Similar to the Hs 293 A, however with a WASAG-109-512-Pulvertriebwerk with 66 kg of Diglykol. The thrust amounts to 1200 kp at 10 seconds burning duration.

Henschel Hs 293 H

Amended version of the Hs 293 as glide bomb against bomber formations from the airplane. The carrier aircraft, a Dornier DO 217, could up to 4 km of the goal removes the bomb to release and by remote control in the goal lead. The commands of the control became in the first tests by radio, later over wire to over-meet. With a total weight the Hs 293 H about 300 kg explosive could carry approx. 980 kg. which by spacer or barometer fuzes was brought to the explosion. After tests and tests the quantity production was stopped however, probably because of the large allied sovereignty in the air, briefly before end of the war.

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Henschel Hs 294

Remote controlled air torpedoes for the fight against ships. In principle it resembles the Hs 293-Gleitbombe, is however in the dimensions and the bomb additional load larger. As combat head this version possessed in the Hs 293 C tested underwater head with tripping edge. Two walter HWK 109-507-Raketenmotoren provided for 2x 590 kp thrust for 10 seconds. As with the Hs 293-A a radio command steering element was likewise planned. The Hs 294 should be thrown off like the Hs 293 and course-steered on the goal, but be dipped 300 to 400 m before the goal into the water, whereby surfaces and trunk at being broke off. Subsequently, that should torpedo (weight: approach about 1450 kg) under water with a speed of 230 km/h on the goal. Altogether about 100 to 120 pieces was built.

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Henschel Hs 295

Into the dimensions and proportions an increasing version of the Hs 293 H. should be inserted however against surface targets. As carrier aircraft the heavy bomber Heinkel He 177 was used. The glide bomb could be dropped from a maximum distance of 14 km and maximally 8 km height the goal. The remote control took place at the beginning by radio. Later samples received their control signals over wire, similarly the Hs 293 B. than pay load a bomb weight of approx. 1300 kg were carried. The Hs 295 ran since April 1944 in testing. This could not be locked however to end of war.

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Henschel Hs 296

Improved modification of the Hs 293 H with one of Dr. Rombusch of physical Forschungsinstitut Dressenfeld developed television remote control, which weighed only 2.5 kg.

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Henschel Hs 297

In the late summer 1944 the development of a Kleinst Fla rocket under the designation "foehn" was locked. It concerned a uncontrolled pulverrakete, which should be used with 1200 m ceiling against low fliers. The projectile of the caliber of 7.3 possessed 3 kg total weight. It was equipped with an impact and a Selbstzerlegerzuender. The firing came from racks in the single shot or as defensive fire salvo from 48 shot from 6 frameworks with 8 rockets each. In testing were special executions of this equipment with 3, 5, 7, 24 and 35 launch rails. The 3-Schuss-Geraet which can be served from a man to should become as "people Flak r throwers" the Flak of the "small man". In September 1944 the issued Flak emergency programme 1944/45 demanded the output of 1000 Flak r until April 1945 who far from "foehn". Although production started according to plan in October 1944, until February 1945 only 50 devices were delivered. They still stood for the conclusion of practical troop testing in the employment.

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Henschel Hs 298

At the beginning of of 1944 was begun after the same construction principles of the past Henschel Fernlenkkoerper with the construction of a small aerial engagement rocket, which received the designation Hs 298. Also it was in principle a reduced airplane with arrow wings and double vertical stabilizer. In the first remarks liquid-fuel rocket engines came to the use (Schmidding 109-513 with 1000 kp for 10 seconds and BMW 109-511 with 600 kp for 12 seconds), which were given up however later in favor of the achievement-weaker however simpler and cheaper pulverrakete Schmidding 109-543. The radio command steering element had however only a range to 1.5 km. Therefore the projectile at the beginning of of 1945 was given up in the context of the restrictions of sample in favor of the Kramer X-4.

Technical data: Aerial engagement rocket (air/air)
Drive: a Schmidding 109-543-Feststoffraketenmotor
1. Takeoff thrust with 150 kp (for 5 seconds)
2. Continuous thrust with 50 kp (for 20 seconds)
Fuel: 32 kg of Diglykol (solid propellant charge)
Control: Radio command steering element (similar the Hs 293)
Sprengkopf: Bombenkopf mit 25 kg Pulverladung und elektrischem Abstandszünder

Henschel Hs 132 fuselage was captured there by Soviets

Junkers 88 night fighters were assembled there until Feb 1945

also the Ju 388

One German site alludes to a huge underground complex there

“Malachit” auch in Schönefeld-Diepensee?

Dass in Schönefeld die Rüstungsproduktion der Henschel-Flugzeugwerke untertage stattfand, ist bekannt.

Was ist damit geschehen - was liegt noch untertage, was wird verheimlicht?

, http://www.bvbb-ev.de/html/henschel-flugzeugwerke_schonef.html 

also the use of slave labor from Ravensbruck concentration camp

 

[TD911]

1 BF109 to go please.

[Fledermaus]

Well, that finally answers the questions of all those left wing Democrats in 1945 who demanded to know "where are the fully armed planes we were told about"????

[wolficatZ]

Berlin airport denies 'live bombs' claim
24 July 2003

BERLIN - Airport authorities in Berlin have denied published claims that "thousands of live bombs" from World War II lie buried underneath the city's second-largest airport.

"Just like Loch Ness monster sightings, every summer these stories surface about bunkers under Berlin filled with toxic materials," said airport spokesman Burkhard Kieker.


The latest spate of reports followed a story in Der Spiegel magazine claiming that construction of Berlin's proposed Berlin-Brandenburg International Airport could be stymied by underground toxic waste.

The story cited "newly discovered" East German Stasi secret police files which purportedly indicated that war surplus munitions and even some old aircraft with fuel still in their tanks might have been dumped into underground bunkers immediately after the war.

The new airport would replace Berlin's three over-crowded airports: Tegel in former West Berlin, Schoenefeld in former East Berlin and historic Tempelhof airport near the centre of the city.

"We've been looking into these reports since the early 1990s," Kieker said, "and so far all that has been found are a few crumbling underground storage rooms half-submerged in brackish water."

[SunkenCiv]

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