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Fully armed Nazi bomber planes 'buried below East Berlin airport'
The Scotsman ^ | July 22, 2003 | Allan Hall

Posted on 07/21/2003 8:17:05 PM PDT by Recourse

The Scotsman

  

Tue 22 Jul 2003


Fully armed Nazi bomber planes 'buried below East Berlin airport'



ALLAN HALL IN BERLIN



AN AIRPORT used by hundreds of thousands of tourists and business travellers each year could be sitting on top of thousands of live bombs.

Papers among thousands of files captured from the Stasi, the secret police of East Germany, claim tons of live Second World War munitions were buried in concrete bunkers beneath the runways of Schoenefeld airport in East Berlin. It is now the main destination for discount airlines, such as Ryanair, and numerous charter companies.

Not only did the commissars intern munitions beneath the runways, but also entire Nazi fighter planes, all fuelled and fully bombed-up, according to the Stasi.

The captured files of Interflug, the former East German government airline and the airport authority of the DDR, are now being examined to see if the Stasi claim is true.

Experts believe it entirely feasible that, in the aftermath of the Second World War, with Berlin littered with millions of tons of unexploded ordnance, the Soviets could well have pressured local officials to move to clear the airfield as swiftly as possible.

"They would have stuffed them anywhere they could - there was simply too much stuff to blow up all at once," said Karl-Heinz Eckhardt, a Berlin historian. "There was a warren of massive Nazi bunkers beneath the site of the present airport that would have suited their purposes."

City authorities claim the airport is perfectly safe, but a thorough check on the claims in the Stasi files - 140 km of them that will still take a number of years to decipher - is being undertaken.

Nearly two million passengers a year pass through Schoenefeld. According to the Stasi files, the ammunition was buried in bunkers between eight and nine metres deep.

A spokesman for the airport said: "We became aware of the bunkers in 1993, four years after the fall of the [Berlin] Wall. A check was undertaken then and everything was determined to be safe."

But he conceded that he was astounded at the claims that fully-fuelled and bombed-up aircraft lie beneath the runways and said new tests about the safety of the structures will be carried out.

He added: "We had no idea that so much ordnance is supposedly under there."

Frank Henkel, the Conservative interior ministry spokesman, said: "This must be investigated thoroughly and immediately and the runways strengthened if necessary."

Berlin, with its sandy, dry soil, was perfect for the bunker-building of the Third Reich. Hundreds of thousands of them were constructed during the 12-year lifespan of the Nazi government: for every one metre of building above ground in modern-day Berlin, there are three metres below ground.

Bunkers are being discovered every day and a group called Underground Berlin has turned several of them into tourist attractions.



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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Germany
KEYWORDS: berlin; bomber; godsgravesglyphs; nazi; wwii
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To: elbucko
I don't dispute the German use of existing technology. I don't dispute the borrowing of one physical principle to enable the development of another.

What I am saying, is that the Germans were highly inventive and they, perhaps more than the allies, were the ones pushing the technical envelope in WWII.

Aircraft notwithstanding, their technology still has impact on our military and those of every other industrial nation.

Thank God they lost.
101 posted on 07/21/2003 11:03:52 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Defund NPR, PBS and the LSC.)
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To: Axenolith
I wish them luck. I read about them in "Trade-a-Plane" about five years ago. Their building brand new 262's with modern jet engines. They must cost at least 3 million.
102 posted on 07/21/2003 11:05:02 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Southack
Umm try looking at some real engagements where American officrs lead our troops (not French). Like Bellou Woods? Where soldiers were sent into battle in Civil War fashion and mowed down by astonished German machine gunners. How about the Black battalion that was sent to assualt German positons on the last day of the war when Pershing knew an armistice was about to be signed?
103 posted on 07/21/2003 11:08:54 PM PDT by Burkeman1 (If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.)
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To: Cultural Jihad
"Battle of Britain"

For me, the most interesting battle of all of WWII. I would sell my soul to the Devil to fly Spits in the RAF from '39, through the "Battle" and on to the end of the war in '45. After that, hell. But what a ride.

104 posted on 07/21/2003 11:12:46 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: rmlew
G series Panther, best medium until nearly the 60's.

Of course, the Sherman was pretty damn mean after you put a 90 on it :)
105 posted on 07/21/2003 11:14:48 PM PDT by Axenolith (Geese... Depositing democrats all over the lawn....)
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To: elbucko
From what I'd read each of the aircraft was an orginal body, but the engines and brakes among other parts were upped to modern units. Each of those has a carefully crafted outer shell of the original component.

How about that navy craft being made of sheet steel!!!
106 posted on 07/21/2003 11:18:32 PM PDT by Axenolith (Geese... Depositing democrats all over the lawn....)
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To: WorkingClassFilth
Thank God they lost.

Yes, on that point we do agree. Thank God they lost. They did have technical talent and social depravity. They cancelled each other out.

107 posted on 07/21/2003 11:19:21 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Cultural Jihad
You want a laugh?

The LePers think you and I are one and the same.
108 posted on 07/21/2003 11:20:49 PM PDT by Luis Gonzalez (Cuba serĂ¡ libre...soon.)
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To: Axenolith
How about that navy craft being made of sheet steel!!!

Nah! Just a MKV Spitfire and an English Summer afternoon.

109 posted on 07/21/2003 11:21:59 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Burkeman1
Chronology: Belleau Wood, Day-by-Day
1 June 1918
2nd Division troops dig in along a defensive line just north of the village of Lucy-le-Bocage. Marine Captain Lloyd Williams when advised to withdraw, replies, "Retreat, Hell! We just got here!" Capt. Williams would not survive the ensuing battle.

The line was centered on Lucy-le-Bocage. Although the initial disposition of troops was haphazard at first due the emergency, the front settled eventually with the 5th Marines to the west and the 6th Marines to the east. Most of the units deployed without machineguns in support. At Les Mares Farm, members of 2nd Bn, 5th Marines began to show the Germans the effects of long distance marksmanship.

2 June 1918
Vanguard of the German advance reaches Belleau Wood.

3 June 1918
Units of German 237th Division occupy Belleau Wood.

4 June 1918
Determined German assault against American line turned back. .There as significant failure in coordination between 2dn Bn, 5th Marines around Les Mares Farm and 1st Bn, 5th Marine, on the right of 2/5's position near Champillon. The German attack failed to take advantage of this gap between the units and attacked directly against the farm. By this time, the divisional artillery brigade and machinegun battalions had arrived. Many Marines, however, were feeling hungry because their kitchens were still stuck on the road trying to catchup. The failure of the attack on 4 June at the farm is generally acknowledged a the high water mark of the German offensive. It is the closest the Germans got to Paris, about 50 miles away. Future Commandant, Lt. Lemuel Shepard distinguished himself as the 55th Company defended the farm itself.

5 June 1918
French XXI Corps commander orders the 2nd Division to recapture of Belleau Wood indicating the enemy only holds a corner of the Wood. The main assault falls to the unit in that sector, the 4th [Marine] Brigade of the 2nd Division. Actually, the German Army had taken the entire wood and turned it into a bastion. No reconnaissance is made to confirm the position of the opposition.

6 June 1918
Arguably, this was the most catastrophic day in Marine Corps history to this date. Two assaults take place. At 0500, the 1st Battalion, 5th Marine Regiment attacks west of Belleau Wood straightening the front and capturing strategic Hill 142 to support an assault on the wooded area. The attack was successful despite the lack of preparation and poor timing. It went off with only 2 companies and timely arrival of the other two avoided a defeat. Gunnery Sgt E. A. Janson's was awarded a Medal of Honor for his service in this assault. A member of Capt. Hamilton's 49th Co., he was responsible for effectively stopping a German counterattack.
110 posted on 07/21/2003 11:22:56 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Luis Gonzalez
The LePers think you and I are one and the same.

If you are, don't go to Singapore to get surgically separated.

111 posted on 07/21/2003 11:24:02 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: rmlew
If I remember correctly, a T-34\41 or 43 was found in a cave in Afghanistan during operations there. Be nice if we kept it as booty!
112 posted on 07/21/2003 11:29:50 PM PDT by Axenolith (Geese... Depositing democrats all over the lawn....)
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To: Southack
Nice chronolgy. Ever read some testimony of those who served there? Or the insanity of the officers who sent men into battle against famished and weak German Units and were still slaughtered? Yep- we "won" that battle.
113 posted on 07/21/2003 11:30:54 PM PDT by Burkeman1 (If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.)
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To: Recourse

Returning to the subject of the thread....

Henschel
Henschel Flugzeugwerke AG, Berlin-Schönefeld

(google german\english translation)


For a long time before beginning of the war the companies Askania and Siemens experimented with autopilots for unmanned airplanes. Zurgleichen time had built the German laboratory for aviation (DVL) a model airplane for the testing of these autopilots, from which a projectile should become later. The uncontrolled drop tests did not run however satisfyingly and the autopilots were not built. At the end of of 1939 came closer the RLM to the aircraft industry, in order to continue the experiments. The company Henschel showed interest. Their intensive developments led to the construction of glide bombs, as well as projectiles to the fight of hostile airplanes.


Henschel Hs 117 "butterfly"

Professor Herbert wagner of the company Henschel had already submitted the project of a Fla rocket Hs 297 in the RLM to 1941. Since one believed however at this time in the RLM, such a weapon is not no more needed, is rejected the project. 1943 one had it then however suddenly terribly hasty and demanded its development with the highest priority level.

 Henschel Hs 294 Dipl. Ing. Henrici entrusted with the execution of the development that now as Hs 117 designated Fla rocket. A subsonic rocket developed as midwing monoplane with swept bearing areas until spring 1944. As engine served two solid-propellant rockets for the start, which were thrown off after this. Afterwards a liquid engine walter HWK 107-729 provided for a thrust of 380 kp. For the kind of bevelling a kind carriage was used. The control was made by radio (radio command steering element). With the first 1944 21 starts accomplished from May to November heights to 11000 m were reached. The Hs 117 was beside "wasserfall" the only Fla rocket, which was used still.
The maximum climbing height of the Hs 117 was with 15000 m. the operating altitude should however only 10500 m amount to and also for high-flying bombers would have been enough. The maximum speed was reached briefly after the start and should be brought in the course of the attempts up to 1100 km/h. Sample firings were however only accomplished to Mach 0.8. So that the projectile kept constantly a certain Mach number, a Mach meter was inserted, which could affect the flow control valve for the supply of fuel over a pitot tube. With end of war the Hs was 117 widens developed German Fla rocket.

When the "commission demanded 1944 for the computation of the hostile air terror" a snapping solution for a large-caliber on-board rocket, the Hs 117 H developed (without booster rockets). As engine a BMW served 109-558 with this version. After sliding attempts in May 1944 28 Hs 117 were successfully tested. In January 1945 the first standard set was finished. There on 6 February 1945 on instruction of the SS Obergruppenfuehrers Kammler the development and production of the Hs 117 responsible for the V-weapons was stopped. An effective weapon against the hostile bomber formations was switched off thereby. Still on 14 January 1945 Professor Wagner had submitted the project S 11 (butterfly 11), as advancement of the Hs 117. It was received two days later with the Flak test site E 5. To the examination of this project at the supreme command of the Air Force (OKL) it did not come however any longer.

Technical data: Fla rocket (soil/air)
Drive:
1.Starthilfe by two Schmidding 109-553-Feststoffraketen with ever 1750 kp (for 4 seconds)
2. a BMW 109-558-Fluessigkeitsraketenmotor with 380 kp initial thrust
Fuel: approx. 60 kg sports association material and 13 kg r-material; 2x 40 kg of Diglykol (solid-propellant rockets)
Control: Radio command steering element
Sprengkopf: Head of projectile with 23 kg of pulverladung and electrical fuze


Henschel Hs 293

To the Hs 293 I already provided a side with the start of my homepage. The following left leads there.
Detail to the glide bomb Hs 293

All further versions of the Henschel Hs 293 are explained briefly in the following.

Henschel Hs 293 A

Employment version, which was produced with a walter engine and a radio command steering element in approximately 1700 pieces. As carriers the following airplane samples were used: Heinkel He 111, Dornier DO 217, Fock Wulf L.G. 200 and Heinkel He 177. The planned re-equipment of the Junkers Ju 290 did not become finished. Likewise was tried to use the large transporter Blohm&Voss Bv 222 as carriers. The Hs 293 A possessed the bomb body the sports club 500 high-explosive bomb as sprengkopf, was thus substantially weaker than the stuff he drop bomb and could only against smaller and easily armored units be used. Since wing profile and cell were not sketched for supersonic speed, behind each wingtip end resistance bodies were attached by way of trial, which let the resistance rise starting from Mach 0.75 to 0.8 so rapidly that the speed did not increase. They were not used however any longer.

Technical data: Steered glide bomb (air/soil)
Drive: a walter HWK 109-507-Fluessigkeitsraketenmotor mit590 kp thrust (for 10 seconds)
Fuel: T-material and z-material
Control: Radio command steering element
Sprengkopf: Bomb head with 325 to 500 kg of pulverladung and impact fuzes

Henschel Hs 293 B

Attempt execution with wire steering element. In this version the missile carried for 20 km wire with itself, while by the carrier aircraft additionally still 10 to 12 km wire could be unwound. Otherwise this version corresponded to the execution Hs 293 A perfectly.

Henschel Hs 293 C

Modification of the Hs 293 A as testbeds for the underwater head of the Hs 294 with tripping edge.

Henschel Hs 293 D

 Henschel Hs 293 D Attempt execution with television guidance. This version possessed the base of the Hs 293 A, however on the bomb head as nose accessory the television camera developed. A further trunk auxiliary piece was between nose and tail part and accommodated the television station. The third accessory was finally the large Yagi array at the tail. The control took place as with the remarks with a control stick, directed by radio or wire, however goal covering was made via the attendant by a television screen, in whose center the goal had to always stand. This task proved however as too difficult and could not be made not operational up to the end of the war. Into this version the new Schmidding glide bomb engine was built also for the first time, which particularly as replacement for the too low-power walter engine 109-507 one had developed.

Henschel Hs 293 G

Similar to the Hs 293 A, however with a WASAG-109-512-Pulvertriebwerk with 66 kg of Diglykol. The thrust amounts to 1200 kp at 10 seconds burning duration.

Henschel Hs 293 H

Amended version of the Hs 293 as glide bomb against bomber formations from the airplane. The carrier aircraft, a Dornier DO 217, could up to 4 km of the goal removes the bomb to release and by remote control in the goal lead. The commands of the control became in the first tests by radio, later over wire to over-meet. With a total weight the Hs 293 H about 300 kg explosive could carry approx. 980 kg. which by spacer or barometer fuzes was brought to the explosion. After tests and tests the quantity production was stopped however, probably because of the large allied sovereignty in the air, briefly before end of the war.


Henschel Hs 294

 Henschel Hs 294 Remote controlled air torpedoes for the fight against ships. In principle it resembles the Hs 293-Gleitbombe, is however in the dimensions and the bomb additional load larger. As combat head this version possessed in the Hs 293 C tested underwater head with tripping edge. Two walter HWK 109-507-Raketenmotoren provided for 2x 590 kp thrust for 10 seconds. As with the Hs 293-A a radio command steering element was likewise planned. The Hs 294 should be thrown off like the Hs 293 and course-steered on the goal, but be dipped 300 to 400 m before the goal into the water, whereby surfaces and trunk at being broke off. Subsequently, that should torpedo (weight: approach about 1450 kg) under water with a speed of 230 km/h on the goal. Altogether about 100 to 120 pieces was built.


Henschel Hs 295

 Henschel Hs 295 Into the dimensions and proportions an increasing version of the Hs 293 H. should be inserted however against surface targets. As carrier aircraft the heavy bomber Heinkel He 177 was used. The glide bomb could be dropped from a maximum distance of 14 km and maximally 8 km height the goal. The remote control took place at the beginning by radio. Later samples received their control signals over wire, similarly the Hs 293 B. than pay load a bomb weight of approx. 1300 kg were carried. The Hs 295 ran since April 1944 in testing. This could not be locked however to end of war.


Henschel Hs 296

Improved modification of the Hs 293 H with one of Dr. Rombusch of physical Forschungsinstitut Dressenfeld developed television remote control, which weighed only 2.5 kg.


Henschel Hs 297

 Henschel Hs297 In the late summer 1944 the development of a Kleinst Fla rocket under the designation "foehn" was locked. It concerned a uncontrolled pulverrakete, which should be used with 1200 m ceiling against low fliers. The projectile of the caliber of 7.3 possessed 3 kg total weight. It was equipped with an impact and a Selbstzerlegerzuender. The firing came from racks in the single shot or as defensive fire salvo from 48 shot from 6 frameworks with 8 rockets each. In testing were special executions of this equipment with 3, 5, 7, 24 and 35 launch rails. The 3-Schuss-Geraet which can be served from a man to should become as "people Flak r throwers" the Flak of the "small man". In September 1944 the issued Flak emergency programme 1944/45 demanded the output of 1000 Flak r until April 1945 who far from "foehn". Although production started according to plan in October 1944, until February 1945 only 50 devices were delivered. They still stood for the conclusion of practical troop testing in the employment.


Henschel Hs 298

 Henschel Hs 298 At the beginning of of 1944 was begun after the same construction principles of the past Henschel Fernlenkkoerper with the construction of a small aerial engagement rocket, which received the designation Hs 298. Also it was in principle a reduced airplane with arrow wings and double vertical stabilizer. In the first remarks liquid-fuel rocket engines came to the use (Schmidding 109-513 with 1000 kp for 10 seconds and BMW 109-511 with 600 kp for 12 seconds), which were given up however later in favor of the achievement-weaker however simpler and cheaper pulverrakete Schmidding 109-543. The radio command steering element had however only a range to 1.5 km. Therefore the projectile at the beginning of of 1945 was given up in the context of the restrictions of sample in favor of the Kramer X-4.

Technical data: Aerial engagement rocket (air/air)
Drive: a Schmidding 109-543-Feststoffraketenmotor
1. Takeoff thrust with 150 kp (for 5 seconds)
2. Continuous thrust with 50 kp (for 20 seconds)
Fuel: 32 kg of Diglykol (solid propellant charge)
Control: Radio command steering element (similar the Hs 293)
Sprengkopf: Bombenkopf mit 25 kg Pulverladung und elektrischem Abstandszünder

Henschel Hs 132 fuselage was captured there by Soviets

Although many claim this to be a picture of the completed V1, it is in fact an artist impression made by Gert Heumann.

Junkers 88 night fighters were assembled there until Feb 1945

also the Ju 388

One German site alludes to a huge underground complex there

“Malachit” auch in Schönefeld-Diepensee?

Dass in Schönefeld die Rüstungsproduktion der Henschel-Flugzeugwerke untertage stattfand, ist bekannt.

Was ist damit geschehen - was liegt noch untertage, was wird verheimlicht?

, http://www.bvbb-ev.de/html/henschel-flugzeugwerke_schonef.html 

also the use of slave labor from Ravensbruck concentration camp

 

114 posted on 07/21/2003 11:32:20 PM PDT by wolficatZ
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To: Burkeman1
We were outnumbered. You claim that we had poor tactics.

Yet we won.

115 posted on 07/21/2003 11:32:40 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: VOA
Oh no, this was always understood to be something he was trying to *smuggle* back. How excatly he would have explained it to the FAA (CAA back then), I'm not sure.
116 posted on 07/21/2003 11:35:21 PM PDT by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: Southack
"Claim?" Do some reading on what they went through before you glorify it. We were in combat for 6 months in France and lost 60,000 dead times three wounded. A fare higher casualty rate than any other war in American History save the Civil War. But if you include the other 50,000 who died to disease then it surpasses it.
117 posted on 07/21/2003 11:39:44 PM PDT by Burkeman1 (If you see ten troubles comin down the road, Nine will run into the ditch before they reach you.)
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To: Axenolith
If I remember correctly, a T-34\41 or 43 was found in a cave in Afghanistan during operations there. Be nice if we kept it as booty!
I just had an image of ex-urban community a few miles from a local army base
Southern equivalent of Levittown house #1:
4x4 on cynder blocks in the front yard
Southern equivalent of Levittown house #2:
muscle car on cynder blocks in the front yard
Southern equivalent of Levittown house #3:
T-34 on pedestal in the front yard
118 posted on 07/21/2003 11:42:26 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: Burkeman1
Glory has nothing to do with it. I was merely refuting all of your wild-eyed claims of German superiority by posting actual historical facts.
119 posted on 07/21/2003 11:42:52 PM PDT by Southack (Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: Axenolith
The Panzer V, Panther was a beautiful tank. Unfortunately, it was complex to operate and difficut to build. The T-34/85 (not the older T-34/76) was its equal. However, the Soviet tank was cheaper and easier to build.
The Sherman could do a good job on any tank. The Israelis used them in 1956 and 1967 against Egyptiam JS3 heavy tanks and T54s.
The Germans knew how to use their tanks. The Egyptians new how to leave them the Sinai.
120 posted on 07/21/2003 11:47:41 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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