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Marriage, Horror, And Susan Reimer
Fred on Everything ^ | 072003 | Fred Reed

Posted on 07/20/2003 7:59:11 PM PDT by Archangelsk

Marriage, Horror, And Susan Reimer


Take Horror. It's A Better Bet.

July 21, 2003

Were I to offer thoughts on marriage to young American men today, in these the declining years of a once-great civilization, my advice would be as follows: Don't do it. Or, if you do, do it in another country. In America marriage is a grievous error.

And why so? Because of The Chip. The Attitude. The bandsaw whine of anger, anger, anger that makes American women an international horror. It's there. It's real.

You, a young man, may not recognize the Chip if you have never seen normal, warm, happy women. If you are twenty-something and haven't been out of the US, you haven't seen them. They exist by the billion-in Latin America, Singapore, Taiwan, Malaya, China and, last I looked, France and Holland. And of course not every woman in America carries the Chip. None of them think they do. Yet it is the default, the usual, what comes out of the box.

The following is a perfectly ordinary, everyday, bulk-lot example, suitable for poisoning a cistern:

"Other than a 29-inch waist and a full head of hair, there isn't much to recommend the twentysomething male…He is living an extended adolescence -- an adult-olescence -- and every immature, irresponsible, self-absorbed thing he does is reinforced by the latest issue of his favorite men's magazine." (Susan Reimer, a columnist for the Baltimore Sun. I bet she goes out a lot.)*

Hers is the Attitude -- and what they think of you. It is the defining trait of American women. Exceptions exist, and they have my apologies, but they are few, and no, sport, your Sally probably isn't one of them. They're coiled to bite. As soon as problems arise in the marriage, they turn into Susan.

Susan Reimer is what is out there, guys: bitter that no one wants her (as who in his right mind could?), sure that no one is good enough for her, never having grasped that those who would be loved must first be lovable. Understand this: Susan is America. Some hide it better, springing it on you after the ceremony, but Susan is the rule.

The Susans do not like men. Sometimes they actually take courses in disliking men ("Women's Studies"). Yet they want to marry one and have babies. For them, the contradiction actually makes a kind of sense, because (and they know this, believe me) they will get the house, the children, and the child support.

For you, it makes no sense. You will get raped in the divorce courts. You don't know how bad it is. Don't do it.

A prime effect of marriage is backbreaking financial overhead: the excessive house in the prestigious suburb, the pricey but boring cars, all that. But if you don't fall into the trap, keeping your expenses down means you can live in Alaska or overseas and enjoy existence. There is more to life than debt service. Yet, although these are bad times for marrying, they are extraordinarily good times for being single.

Now, children. This is sticky. You may want them, or think you want them, or think you may want them. She wants them. My advice is to move to almost any country where English isn't spoken and women don't want their husbands to be the mothers of their children. Any country inhabited by the Chinese would do nicely.

Incidentally, remember that it is never now or never. Your prospects improve with time. At thirty-five or fifty you will be perfectly able to find a good woman if you know where to look. See above list.

Remember also that these are not good times for having children in America. It is almost irresponsible. The schools are scholastically poor, drug-ridden, given chiefly to political indoctrination, and hostile to male children. The universities are little better. Divorce is hell on children and their fathers, and nearly universal. The country lunges to police-statedom and isn't, I suspect, as stable as it might be. Worse, worst, there is Susan Reimer. Her name is legion, and she seeps everywhere, like the effluvium of unwashed socks.

Further, there is no social duty to have children. Some argue that the white population is in decline. Tough. If the country chooses to make having kids undesirable, then let it decline. It is not your problem.

Now, you might well wonder, why are American women carrying the Chip? Practically, it doesn't matter: They do carry it, and will continue. Still, it is partly because from birth they are fed the notion that they have been oppressed, battered, cheated, deprived, harassed, used as sex objects, not used as sex objects, on and on. Being rational, you are perhaps inclined to point out that never has a female population been less any of these things, but don't bother. It will have no effect. The Chip is an emotional artifact to which they respond emotionally.

The bedrock of The Attitude is that everything is the man's fault. Wonders Reimer, "What is the answer, especially if the 20- and 30-year-old male is such poor marriage material?" She does not wonder, "If I am such a grindingly awful termagant that men on three continents are crossing their legs and feeling queasy over my mere column, and won't come near me except in a Kevlar bathysphere with a disinfectant system, maybe I'm doing something wrong. Gosh. I wonder what?"

Yet something more is going on, though one does not easily see just what. Note that in recent decades we have seen the invention by women of bulimia and anorexia, which no one had heard of in 1965. Men made them do it. At roughly the same time women began getting breast implants, which men also made them do, and then suing about it. In the same period they began having induced memories of being raped or satanically abused by their fathers. Men again. The psychotherapy racket grew like kudzu, a sure sign of deep unhappiness over something.

All of this is recent. You have to be fifty to remember women who were resilient, sane, psychically strong and, within the limits of an often sorry existence, content. But whatever the answer, guys, the problem isn't yours.

Spend a year overseas, however you have to do it. For smart, classy, just plain glorious women who often speak English, try Singapore. Argentina is splendid. Many places are. You would be amazed. See what's out there before you marry a gringa with her Inner Susan, who will one day burst from her chest like one of those beaked space-aliens in the movies, dripping venom. They're death.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: attitude; chip; fredreed; marriage; reimer; susanreimer; wimmen
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To: Capriole
Solution? Marry a sweet-tempered Christian woman, a person of emotional stability, strength, courage in the face of adversity, calm, reverence, and joy. Where do you find such a woman? Well, not in a bar, Joe.

Riiiiiiiiight..... I married one of those. Within 3 years of marriage, she was hanging out with bad friends, smoking dope, playing with tarot cards and New Age crap and wouldn't even consider returning to church.

Stop selling this nonsense.

61 posted on 07/21/2003 8:25:53 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: FeliciaCat
Have a wonderful day.

Wow, that was snide and snotty... There's Fred's 'chip' he was talking about.

62 posted on 07/21/2003 8:42:04 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: chookter
You are really fishing for something to bitch about arnt you?

63 posted on 07/21/2003 9:01:15 AM PDT by FeliciaCat
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To: FeliciaCat
No, I'd say I've already found one.....
64 posted on 07/21/2003 9:05:55 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: chookter
And your marriage didnt work out? I am SHOCKED, just SHOCKED....
65 posted on 07/21/2003 9:07:50 AM PDT by FeliciaCat
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To: FeliciaCat
That was snotty and unfriendly as well....

I gave so much and tried so hard--even after she ran off with another guy, I took her back and tried to make it work again. Now I am losing everything.

You are the one with the huge chip on your shoulder. Just like Fred Reed pointed out in his article. I am no threat, I am broken and already beaten. I will never do it again.

66 posted on 07/21/2003 9:17:43 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: chookter
I have no idea what you are rambling on about. I have NOT been snotty or unfriendly in any way...you have CHOSEN to interpret my initial post to you the wrong way, so be it but don't call me names simply because I express an opinion that you dont like. Grow up.
67 posted on 07/21/2003 9:30:01 AM PDT by FeliciaCat
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To: avenir
What about pre-nups for the common folk? Could they be used to build in a little security in the event of divorce?

Prenups are worthless. Any 3rd rate attorney can nullify them for whatever reason.

68 posted on 07/21/2003 9:33:32 AM PDT by Drew68
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To: shekkian
Heaven is a russian wife, on an american income...

Hell is an american wife, on a russian income....

69 posted on 07/21/2003 9:33:32 AM PDT by Capt.YankeeMike (get outta my pocket, outta my car, and outta the schools)
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To: Jim Noble; SauronOfMordor
Thanks to both for the info on prenups. To wit: (from SuaronOfMordor) The courts will probably not enforce any contract that would make some irate feminist columnist upset.

The only loophole seems to be having a kid with an already married woman. The husband gets stuck with child support. Marriage is soooooo broken. Great when laws & judges encourage immoral behavior.

70 posted on 07/21/2003 9:37:54 AM PDT by searchandrecovery (America will not exist in 25 years.)
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To: nopardons
Why does a balding, chubby grump like myself have no problem finding plenty of lovely ladies? What am I doing so wrong as to be out of the mainstream and not miserable?
71 posted on 07/21/2003 9:42:23 AM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
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To: FeliciaCat
Thank you, dear, for giving us an unkind object lesson in Fred's point. And reminding me why I, and other, American men will seek elsewhere for kindness and companionship through life.
72 posted on 07/21/2003 9:42:27 AM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: chookter
You and Fred both have a wonderful day, two souls who are made for each other.

LOL.
73 posted on 07/21/2003 9:44:17 AM PDT by FeliciaCat
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To: FeliciaCat
...if you want to paint with a broad brush...

Well, if we're painting broads, is there any other kind to use? Oh, bad. Sorry, kidding.

74 posted on 07/21/2003 9:51:19 AM PDT by searchandrecovery (America will not exist in 25 years.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Hmmmmmm...because you aren't an " empty suit " ( you have lots of varied interests and I assume that you can and do talk about them well ),you probably know HOW to treat a woman with respect, and you aren't some " little boy " in an adult males's body, who sees women as a sex object and/or " THE ENEMY ". That makes all the difference in the world !

I can only go by what so many males here write to threads such as this one, and what my daughter and her friends said, when they were single. Far too many young men today, never mastered the art of dating. They don't know how to woo. Heck, they haven't any social graces at all and less interests. EMPTY SUITS ; if they even wear a suit.

75 posted on 07/21/2003 8:47:11 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: chookter
Marry a sweet-tempered Christian woman, a person of emotional stability, strength, courage in the face of adversity, calm, reverence, and joy.

Riiiiiiiiight..... I married one of those. Within 3 years of marriage, she was hanging out with bad friends, smoking dope, playing with tarot cards and New Age crap and wouldn't even consider returning to church.

Well, quite obviously such a woman is neither emotionally stable nor truly reverent, so your sad situation doesn't invalidate my original assertion.

Stop selling this nonsense.

What nonsense? My suggestion that good women are to be found in church? Are you saying that just because you got a lemon, that means no woman who goes to church is to be trusted? That there are no good women? You're not being quite clear here.

76 posted on 07/21/2003 9:04:24 PM PDT by Capriole (Foi vainquera)
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To: Capriole
Well, quite obviously such a woman is neither emotionally stable nor truly reverent, so your sad situation doesn't invalidate my original assertion.

Argumentum ex post facto.

What nonsense? My suggestion that good women are to be found in church? Are you saying that just because you got a lemon, that means no woman who goes to church is to be trusted? That there are no good women?

Reductio ad absurdum.

That an occasional good woman can be found in church is a post hoc argument--post hoc ergo propter hoc.

Your original point is only a statistical one. Perhaps the chances of finding a decent American woman is slightly elevated by searching among the more devout. I will concede you that.

77 posted on 07/21/2003 9:14:35 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: CanadianLibertarian
You are correct!!!!
78 posted on 07/21/2003 9:17:44 PM PDT by chasio649
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To: Euro-American Scum
Of course, you're right--there's no solution to any of earth's sorrows and frustrations except the return of the real King. But in the meantime, what you wrote about your church's circumstances and the people in it sheds a little light on why there are such tempestuous marriages among the Body, and why you got emotionally cooked in your years there. It seems logical that people with such a rough background might not choose or be accepted by sweet, meek virginal little suburban angel-girls. Any woman who would contemplate marrying some of the guys you describe as part of your congregation are probably pretty tough cookies before the marriage and might have been around the block a few times. When the marriage runs into bumps, they are not going to deal with the situation in a spirit of calm, forbearing, pacific enlightenment.

I think you have to admit that your church is a little unusual. It's my hope that the average Christian guy who goes to a large church with a submitted spirit and persistent prayer is going to find a worthy mate, sooner or later--if, that is, it's the Lord's will.

And really, guys, what're the alternatives?

1. You can be single, lonely, frustrated, and horny for the rest of your cold sterile life.

2. You can form temporary liaisons with women and bonk them, risking sorrow, disease, and pregnancy in the process.

3. You can find someone in the greater population outside of church and marry her, knowing that since she doesn't believe in a particular firm set of principles, the chances that she will stand fast beside you in time of trial are even more remote than if you found someone whose hope and belief are centered firmly on Christ.

None of these seem to me to be attractive alternatives to finding a worthy Christian spouse. But that's just me. I'm old-fashioned.

79 posted on 07/21/2003 9:18:12 PM PDT by Capriole (Foi vainquera)
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To: nopardons
Far too many young men today, never mastered the art of dating. They don't know how to woo.

Where would they ever learn such a thing now? They can woo until they are bloo in the face and if another better woo-er comes along, they lose the house, the kids... Everything... It's hopeless.

80 posted on 07/21/2003 9:18:21 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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