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Italian Journalist Says She Gave US Uranium Info
AP ^ | July 19, 2003

Posted on 07/19/2003 10:03:18 AM PDT by nwrep

ROME - A journalist for an Italian news magazine has come forward, saying it was she who turned over to U.S. diplomats some documents purportedly showing that Iraq (news - web sites) wanted to buy uranium from Niger. The documents turned out to be forgeries.

In an interview published Saturday, Corriere della Sera, a leading Italian daily, quoted Elisabetta Burba as saying her source "in the past proved to be reliable." The journalist, who writes for the weekly Panorama, refused to reveal her source.


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To: nwrep
Ok ok, time to come clean. IT WAS I who gave this information to the CIA. I will take responsibility.
42 posted on 07/19/2003 1:47:59 PM PDT by squidly
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To: piasa
Was Steyn Wilkersoned, also? His comments (about the So. Africa embassy in Jordan) precede Timmerman's by four months.
43 posted on 07/19/2003 1:54:15 PM PDT by browardchad
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To: Destro
The British have other documents.
44 posted on 07/19/2003 2:24:55 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ( "There is dust enough on some of your Bibles to write 'damnation' with your fingers." C. Spurgeon)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; HAL9000
We need to start hitting the Abuse button over this problem.

Abuse won't work; the Mods aren't going to dig up the articles and post them themselves. What we need to do is some serious public naming and shaming.

45 posted on 07/19/2003 3:11:48 PM PDT by Timesink
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To: rwfromkansas
From the UK Guardian- which has never been a bastion of conservative journalism:

NOVEMBER 2001 : (KENYA : A DELEGATION OF FIVE IRAQIS WAS ARRESTED ON THEIR WAY TO EASTERN CONGO ON FAKE INDIAN PASSPORTS) - "African gangs offer route to uranium : Suspicion falls on Congo and South Africa ," by James Astill in Nairobi and Rory Carroll in Johannesburg, The Guardian UK, Wednesday September 25, 2002

SEPTEMBER 25, 2002 (THE UK GUARDIAN REPORTS THAT IRAQI AGENTS HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATING WITH GANGS IN THE CONGO) Iraqi agents have been negotiating with criminal gangs in the Democratic Republic of Congo to trade Iraqi military weapons and training for high-grade minerals, possibly including uranium, according to evidence obtained by the Guardian. A delegation of five Iraqis was arrested in Nairobi by the Kenyan secret service last November while travelling to eastern Congo on fake Indian passports, a western intelligence officer said. Documents seen by the Guardian show that leaders of the Mayi-Mayi, a brutal militia embroiled in the country's civil war, visited Baghdad twice and offered diamonds and gold to the Iraqis. Uranium was not mentioned in the documents but the intelligence officer said the Mayi-Mayi would be able to obtain the material in areas it controlled. Initial contact between Baghdad and the militia was said to have been brokered by a Sudanese general who offered Sudan as a conduit for Iraqi oil and arms. - "African gangs offer route to uranium : Suspicion falls on Congo and South Africa ," by James Astill in Nairobi and Rory Carroll in Johannesburg, The Guardian UK, Wednesday September 25, 2002

46 posted on 07/19/2003 3:54:17 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: rwfromkansas; browardchad; Howlin; William McKinley; Miss Marple; Travis McGee; ALOHA RONNIE; ...
Now here's where it gets real interesting:

(snip) The 1993-1994 attempted uranium purchase in Sudan During the third day of the trial, February 7, 2001, Al-Fadl testified that he was directly involved in an attempt to purchase uranium for Usama Bin Laden at the end of 1993 or the beginning of 1994. According to his testimony, Al-Fadl was telephoned by a senior Al-Qa’ida official, Abu Fadhl [most probably Fadl or Fazl] al-Makkee, and was instructed to meet with a contact in Khartoum, Sudan, who allegedly possessed uranium. The witness met first with Abu Abd Allah al-Yemeni (aka Abu Dijana) and was given the name of another contact, Moqadem Salah Abd al-Mobruk, a lieutenant colonel in the Sudanese Army who, according to the testimony, had been a former minister during the Numeiri presidency (1969-83).(5)

Al-Fadl was charged with evaluating the situation, and after conferring with other associates, including his cousin, he met with al-Mobruk. Al-Mobruk referred Al-Fadl to a man named Basheer, and the two met at an office on Jambouria Street in Khartoum, Sudan. When questioned by Basheer as to whether Al-Qa’ida was serious about acuiring uranium, Al-Fadl claimed, “I know people, they [are] very serious, and they want to buy it.” He noted that l-Qa’ida was concerned primarily with the quality of the material and the country of origin, and secondarily with the cost. The arranged price was $1.5 million, plus additional commissions for Basheer and al-Mobruk. At this point, the main issue concerned the method of testing the uranium.

After reporting back to al-Makkee, Al-Fadl was sent to speak with a new contact, Abu Rida al-Suri. This meeting took place at the Ikhlak Company in the Baraka building in Khartoum. Al-Suri instructed Al-Fadl to return to Basheer and report that the organization had an “electric machine” capable of testing uranium. Again through an intermediary, Al-Fadl arranged a meeting with Basheer and, in a small house in the town of Bait al-Mal, north of Khartoum, Al-Fadl and al-Suri were shown a cylinder approximately 2-3 feet tall with a lot of words engraved on it. The men were given a note that Al-Fadl was told to deliver to another contact, Abu Hajer, and then await further instructions. Al-Fadl did not recollect exactly what was written on the paper, only that it was written in English, said “South Africa” on it, and contained a serial number.(/snip)

The source is worth a good read : - "WMD TERRORISM AND USAMA BIN LADEN," by Kimberly McCloud and Matthew Osborne , CNS Reports, http://cns.miis.edu/pubs/reports/binladen.htm.

47 posted on 07/19/2003 4:41:04 PM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: DoughtyOne
Nicely explained as to why excerpts defeat the purpose of the forum!
48 posted on 07/19/2003 4:58:00 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Recall Gray Davis and then start on the other Democrats)
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To: piasa; backhoe
Interesting net stuff...

GOOGLE Search Term: "Al-Fadl"
http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Al-Fadl%22&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&filter=0

TERRORISM CENTRAL - Snippet: "TITLE:
Trial of Defendants in 1998 Bombing of U.S. Embassies
An Attempt to Purchase Uranium: Testimony of Prosecution Witness

AUTHOR:
Jamal Ahmed Al-Fadl

SOURCE:
Excerpt for the trial transcript, U.S. v. Usama Bin Laden et al, February 7, 2001.

Published in Super Terrorism: Biological, Chemical, and Nuclear, by Yonah Alexander and Milton Hoenig, Editors. Transnational Publishers, Inc., 2001

TEXT:

UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT
SOUTHERN DISTRICT OF NEW YORK


UNITED STATES OF AMERICA

v.

USAMA BIN LADEN, et al.,
Defendants.



New York, N.Y.
February 7, 2001
10:00 a.m.

Before:
HON. LEONARD B. SAND,
District Judge

MARY JO WHITE
United States Attorney for the
Southern District of New York
BY: PATRICK FITZGERALD

JAMAL AHMED AL-FADL,
DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. FITZGERALD:



Q. During the time you were involved with al Qaeda, did there come a time when you became involved in an attempt to purchase uranium?

A. Yes.

Q. Can you tell us when that was?

A. That’s area of ’94 or end of ’93.

Q. Can you tell us how you came to be involved in the purchase of uranium?

A. I remember Abu Fadhl al Makkee, he call me and he told me we hear somebody in Khartoum, he got uranium, and we need you to go and study that, is that true or not.

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Q. What did you do after he told you this?

A. He told me go to Abu Abdullah al Yemeni and he talk more about that with you.



Q. Did you go see Abdullah al Yemeni?

A. Yes.

Q. What happened when you saw him?

A. He told me somebody’s name, Moqadem Salah Abdel al Mobruk. He is a minister during Numeiri time.

Q. Is he a former president of the Sudan?

A. Yes, ’69 to ’83.



Q Did you go to see this officer named Mobruk?

A. I went to one of my cousins, his name Faisal, and I ask him if he know Moqadam Salah Abdel al Mobruk.

Q. What happened then?

A. He told me, I know him but I don’t have relationship with him, but I tell you I know somebody, he know him better than me. And he told me go to al Fadl al Shahideen.

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Q. Did you have, did you actually have a meeting with Salah Abdel al Mobruk?

A. Yes.

Q. Tell us what happened at the meeting.

A. I went, and this is first time I meet him, and he told me this guy, his name Basheer, he going to help you, and go with him and discuss everything with him.

Q. Had you ever met this person named Basheer before?

A. No.

Q. Did you go with Basheer?

A. Yes.

Q. Tell the jury what you did.

A. We went to another office in Jambouria Street in Khartoum City.

Q. What happened when you went to that street in Khartoum?

A. Basheer, he told me, are you serious? You want uranium? I tell him yes. I know people, they very serious, and they want to buy it. And he told me did the money ready, and I say what they need. They need the information about uranium, they want to know which quality, which the country make it, and after that we going to talk with you about the price. He say I going to give you this information in a paper, and we need $1,500,000, andeverything go well we need it outside. We need the money outside of Sudan.

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Q. What happened then?

A. After that he tell me how you going to check it? I tell him I don’t know, I have to go to those people and I tell them what you tell me and I give you answer for that.

Q. What happened that?

A. After that I went to Abdallah al Yemeni and I told him what I got. He told me go to Abu Fadhl al Makkee and told him about what you got, what you have information, and I went to Abu Fadhl al Makkee and I told him, and he say you have to go to Abu Rida al Suri and sit down with him and told him, and he going to go with you after that. I went to Ikhlak company in Baraka building in Khartoum City, and I told him about the wholeinformation, and he say tell him we have our machine, electric machine, we going to check the uranium but first we want to see and we want information. We want to see the cylinder and we want to need information about the quality and which country it make. And he tell me, he give me a little paper and he tell me give him this paper and this information we need. I took the information and I go back to Fadhl Shaheedin and I told him I need meeting with Basheer.



Q. Did you go to the meeting?

A. Yes.

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Q. You went with Fadl al Shaheedin and Abu Rida al Suri in a jeep to Khartoum north to a town called Bait al Mal, with Basheer?

A. And we went over there and we, they took us inside house in Bait al Mal, and after few minutes they bring a big bag and they open it, and it cylinder, like this tall.

Q. For the record, the witness is indicating approximately two to three feet.

A. It’s like this tall, I believe. And they give us a paper before that, and Abu Rida al Suri, I remember he took the paper and it’s a lot written in the cylinder. It’s like ?

Q Tell the word that you are saying to the interpreter.

A. (Through the interpreter) The information was like engraved. (Continuing in English) Abu Rida al Suri looked to his paper and he looked to the cylinder, and after that he say OK, that is good. And he got conversation with Basheer, and we left the house, and few days later he told me ?

THE COURT: Who told you?

A. Abu Rida al Suri, he told me go to Fadl al Shaheedin and tell him we want to see Basheer again.

Q. So Abu Rida al Suri told you to go to Fadl al Shaheedin and tell him that who wanted to meet?

A. He told me go to Basheer and tell him we need another meeting, and in the same time he give me the paper we got from Basheer about the information, and he told me I needed to take this paper to Abu Hajer and give him this paper, and whatever he tell you, or if he don’t say anything, that’s fine.

Q. So he told you to take the paper to Abu Hajer. What did you do?

A. I went to Abu Hajer in his house and I give him the paper and he need it and he say OK.

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Q. What was on the paper?

A. It’s information, I remember it say South Africa and serial number and quality something. It’s all in English. So I don’t remember all the what in the paper. "
http://www.terrorismcentral.com/Library/Teasers/Fadl.html
49 posted on 07/19/2003 5:12:31 PM PDT by Cindy
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To: nwrep; piasa; All
LINKS OF INTEREST:

MEMRI.org - MIDDLE EAST MEDIA RESEARCH INSTITUTE Special Dispatch Series No.539: "A NEW BIN LADEN SPEECH" (July 18, 2003) (Read More...)

ISLAM ONLINE.net: "SADDAM BLASTS BUSH-BLAIR 'LIES', SLAMS GOVERNING COUNCIL" (July 17, 2003) (Read More...)

NY POST.com: "JUDGE FINDS OSAMA-SADDAM LINK" by Brian Blomquist (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "WASHINGTON - A federal judge helping to rebuild Iraq's judicial system says he's come up with an intriguing document linking Saddam Hussein to Osama bin Laden. Federal appellate Judge Gilbert Merritt, who is currently in Iraq, said an Iraqi lawyer brought him documents that included the name of an Iraqi officer in that country's embassy in Pakistan who was described as "responsible for the coordination of activities with the Osama bin Laden group." "It seems to me to be strong proof that the two were in contact and conspiring to perform terrorist acts," Merritt, a Democrat and longtime family friend of Al Gore, wrote in a dispatch for The Tennesseean newspaper - charges similar to those previously reported by The Weekly Standard. "Until this time, I have been skeptical about these claims," wrote the Cincinnati-based judge. "Now I have changed my mind."") (July 12, 2003) (Read More...)

50 posted on 07/19/2003 5:15:52 PM PDT by Cindy
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51 posted on 07/19/2003 6:28:54 PM PDT by Sloth ("I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!" -- Jacobim Mugatu, 'Zoolander')
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks.
52 posted on 07/19/2003 7:14:01 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: piasa
Thank you so much for the information!
53 posted on 07/19/2003 8:35:33 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Sloth
Your# 51................................LOL

In an interview published Saturday, Corriere della Sera, a leading Italian daily, quoted Elisabetta Burba as saying her source "in the past proved to be reliable." The journalist, who writes for the weekly Panorama, refused to reveal her source.

Great 'source' cartoon!!

LOL

54 posted on 07/20/2003 5:52:44 AM PDT by maestro
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To: piasa
Thanks for your as usual great documentation on the Yellowcake Scam with more data about Iraq's intentions.
55 posted on 07/20/2003 7:59:12 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Please invest 17 cents a day/5$ per month in Free Republic as a monthly supporter.)
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To: Destro; MJY1288; PhilDragoo; BOBTHENAILER; Miss Marple; William McKinley
The only ones who were sloppy on this entire scam were/are the left wingers, and the so called conservatives who hate GW even more than the lefties.

Here is Jim Rob's input on these allies who tried to electronically lynch President Bush with lies and sloppy BS on all of these phoney non issues/non events before, during and after their Yellow Cake Scam!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/945516/posts?page=80#80

There is no secret to the fact that the antis have all effectively joined forces. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, etc. Read any Rockwell/Buchanan/Rainmondo/Paleo/Anarchist thread. They all preach the same anti-Bush, anti-Republican, anti-war, pro-terror message. And they're damn quick to jump on the anti-Bush bandwagon at the slightest drop of any misinformation put out by the New York Times/Washington Post anti-America propaganda machine.



Keep burying yourself with the fecal matter of the left. Your hatred of America and GW shows in everything you post on Free Republic.
56 posted on 07/20/2003 8:07:25 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Please invest 17 cents a day/5$ per month in Free Republic as a monthly supporter.)
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To: Grampa Dave
The only ones who were sloppy on this entire scam were/are the left wingers, and the so called conservatives who hate GW even more than the lefties.

Thanks for repeating JimRob's take on this anti-American BS we see here way too much.

57 posted on 07/20/2003 8:29:05 AM PDT by BOBTHENAILER (Rats are showing all the symptoms of severe radiation poisoning)
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To: Grampa Dave; MJY1288; PhilDragoo; BOBTHENAILER; Miss Marple; William McKinley
GW Bush is not "America". He is an employee on a 4 year contract with a possibility of another 4 year extension.

If this happened while Gore (or Clinton) was President (and the Iraq war probably would have happened since the advisors and those think tanks work and advise for both parties-Richard Pearl is a Democrat) we would have demanded an impeachment.

The African nuclear material story was not a case of the Bush White House telling a lie, just a show of incompetence by the Bush White House. One of a string of incompetently handled issues. I would be happy to enoumerate them for you breifly.

9/11-As you know I blame Clinton for 9/11 but the Bush WH did a piss poor job of cutting off Clinton hold overs who downplayed Islamic extremists. In addition Condi Rice (who forced the Ukraine not to send arms to Macedonia for it to defend itself against Islamic rebels-Clinton's old allies) said she never read a report about possible airline terrorist operations and then had to admit she did.

Rumi wanting to send too few troops into Iraq and in the end used the minimum required amount to win the war but not the peace.

The botched diplomacy. Yes our "allies" can share the blame but a diplomat is supposed to KNOW they will reject us before he asks for help in public.

The increase in the size of govt.

I was and still am pro-Iraq war and I have always said that the Iraq war was the right war fought for the wrong reason and fought the wrong way.

58 posted on 07/20/2003 10:25:00 AM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: Destro
If this happened while Gore (or Clinton) was President (and the Iraq war probably would have happened since the advisors and those think tanks work and advise for both parties-Richard Pearl is a Democrat) we would have demanded an impeachment.
Nonsense. Remember when Clinton bombed the aspirin factory? That was a much more significant intelligence failure, and no one called for his impeachment over that failure (although some did because he seemed to order the attack to give him political cover).
The African nuclear material story was not a case of the Bush White House telling a lie, just a show of incompetence by the Bush White House.
The African nuclear material story is much ado over nothing. It is so much so that it is long past the point where it is more than fair to openly question the motives of those attempting to portray it as something big.
59 posted on 07/20/2003 11:31:21 AM PDT by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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To: Destro
And anyone who buys the attempted spin that we went to war with Iraq because we thought they were attempting to buy Uranium from Africa is a fool. That was but a very, very small part of the overall case- as case that as you said was made (since you said you supported it).
60 posted on 07/20/2003 11:33:23 AM PDT by William McKinley (You're so vain, you probably think this tagline's about you)
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