Posted on 07/15/2003 10:41:28 AM PDT by gcruse
I'm with David Horsley. If there is such a thing as a "gay agenda" I must be one of its supporters by default. I've never been "recruited" for this cause; never received any political material describing the agenda, the forces opposed to it, or how it will prevail in the law and the institutions of America; and I've never attended any meetings suggesting my heterosexual predilection is a target for gay subversion. But there are people out there with whom I disagree who tell me that gays of both genders are promoting this "agenda," and the demand that gays be given equal treatment under the law is apparently the first step on a path that will soon have me dating Bruce Willis.
I am not persuaded.
There's a lot of nonsense surrounding the phenomenon of homosexuality.
There's the idea that homosexuals "recruit" heterosexuals. This is absurd because you can't change someone else's sexual orientation. If you don't believe that, try changing your own. If you can't do it to yourself, what chance does anyone else have to do it to you? My sexual orientation is not up for grabs, and I defy anyone to sweet-talk me into sleeping with men.
There's the idea that gays corrupt the young. Some may, but as science repeatedly points out, most episodes of sexual abuse involving adults and children are perpetrated by heterosexuals. I suspect someday we will see a movement to outlaw heterosexuality because of all the perversions it spawns, but for now I would rather rest my weight on the idea that acts of sexual perversion are separate and distinct from sexual orientation. That way we can sweep up offenders of both persuasions.
And there's the idea that gays "choose" the "gay lifestyle" - whatever that is. As I've pointed out before on this page, if anyone can "choose" to be gay, so can you. And if you can choose to be gay, your right of choice should be protected as long as you meet the new criteria - consenting adults, privacy of the bedroom.
But the only element of "lifestyle" common to all gays is that they prefer sex with people of their own gender. Beyond that you can find gays who are committed and gays who sleep around, just like us. You can find gays who drink wine and gays who drink beer, just like us. You can find gays who are Republicans and gays who are Democrats, just like us.
The only "agenda" gays hold that I'm aware of is to correct mistreatment under the law, and since the gays doing this are American citizens who work, pay taxes and vote, there is no reason to deny them this much of what they want. Gays should be able to form lifelong committed relationships, participate as full partners in medical decisions of their mates, pass on property to survivors as easily as the rest of us can.
And, yes, they should be able to raise children as a family unit.
This is the idea that troubles some people to distraction - what about the children? Won't kids who grow up in a homosexual-parent family turn out gay? Well, do all children who grow up in heterosexual-parent families turn out straight? Of course not. I had three children by my first wife. Two are heterosexual, one is gay. So that argument doesn't hold water.
What is important to children in any family is the quality of the relationship between the parents and between parents and children. Two heterosexual parents can make the lives of their children a living hell. Two homosexual parents can make the lives of their children an example of trust, commitment, integrity, and love.
We all ought to seek and savor the second kind of relationship, not reject one of them out of hand because we don't like the pairing.
But giving gays some minimal protection under the law is an essential first step to understanding their relationships, because nothing distorts research like criminalizing the behavior to be studied.
Besides, when gays are denied fundamental protection under the law, we are stating to the whole world that justice in America depends on your choice of sleeping partners. This is an insupportable premise for public policy.
For those who are rabidly opposed to homosexuality, I say by all means stay heterosexual. Just don't expect to see your zeal elevated to legal prohibition. Gays can be good Americans, too, and discriminating against good Americans with the law has yet to prove itself a viable long-term strategy.
I've always wanted to ask Anne Heche about that.
Houston is in the top 5 cities. Where is the "Red Light" district?
Who pours millions into lobbying efforts, without an agenda??????
BUMP
Seduction is about getting laid. Persuing desires. Have sex with the person being "recruited".
That is what it is about. Clear?
Let's make this simple. When I want to know my sexual preference or "orientation", I look down the front of my pants and have an immediate preference/orientation towards the opposite sex because they have anatomy that was intelligently designed to work with mine. That's how sexual preference works. Anything else is just a choice that goes against our design, and calling it an "orientation" only serves to remove the personal responsibility for ignoring what was naturally intended.
Hat-Trick
Wake up. We aren't here to bash and hate, but to make a stand against this unmitigated blitzkrieg.
The "agenda" is the norming of a sexual deviance. You do agree that this is deviant behavior even if it is legal behavior, don't you?
Don't forget churches (and I'm not making a veiled referenced to molestation cases).
Same sex marriage ceremonies in churches and homosexual ministers are here. The question is how widespread they will become.
Practicing sodomites leading the services. To step forward as a sinner and repent is a great thing. To persist in such behavior is selfish.
The queer movement has poisoned the church.
I stand firm that deviations are caused by unhealthy parental role models or the absence of one.
Now I know why you choose to live in Vermont.
Yes, a lot of the homosexual priests who confessed to the abuse of teenage boys had said that they were sexually abused as young boys by men. (The need to act out that abuse on others is as normal as men hitting women because they had watched their fathers hit their mothers.That is the behavior that they LEARNED!) The Nazi, Roehm, was abused as a 14 year old boy and he went on to induct numerous German boys into his perverse homosexual lifestyle and they ended up killing and torturing thousands of people. Are you saying that these boys who had genes from heterosexual parents just *happened* to turn out gay--not because of all the homosexual molestations but because they had a "gay gene"...that is utter stupidity.
>>>I suspect that is because you frequent sources which tell you what you want to hear<<<
I have no doubt that there are many heterosexuals who also have strange, depraved and vicious sexual practices. In fact, the argument could be made that "gay liberation" has defined deviancy down, so people feel freer to indulge in outward experimentation, whereas previously they were more secretive or lived in fantasy. In fact, this kind of underscores my position that homosexuality should go back into the closet!
Additionally, the percentage of how many heterosexuals engage in that kind of stuff (and especially the scat and urine stuff, as well as anal sex) compared to homosexuals can't be comparable.
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