Posted on 07/15/2003 10:41:28 AM PDT by gcruse
I'm with David Horsley. If there is such a thing as a "gay agenda" I must be one of its supporters by default. I've never been "recruited" for this cause; never received any political material describing the agenda, the forces opposed to it, or how it will prevail in the law and the institutions of America; and I've never attended any meetings suggesting my heterosexual predilection is a target for gay subversion. But there are people out there with whom I disagree who tell me that gays of both genders are promoting this "agenda," and the demand that gays be given equal treatment under the law is apparently the first step on a path that will soon have me dating Bruce Willis.
I am not persuaded.
There's a lot of nonsense surrounding the phenomenon of homosexuality.
There's the idea that homosexuals "recruit" heterosexuals. This is absurd because you can't change someone else's sexual orientation. If you don't believe that, try changing your own. If you can't do it to yourself, what chance does anyone else have to do it to you? My sexual orientation is not up for grabs, and I defy anyone to sweet-talk me into sleeping with men.
There's the idea that gays corrupt the young. Some may, but as science repeatedly points out, most episodes of sexual abuse involving adults and children are perpetrated by heterosexuals. I suspect someday we will see a movement to outlaw heterosexuality because of all the perversions it spawns, but for now I would rather rest my weight on the idea that acts of sexual perversion are separate and distinct from sexual orientation. That way we can sweep up offenders of both persuasions.
And there's the idea that gays "choose" the "gay lifestyle" - whatever that is. As I've pointed out before on this page, if anyone can "choose" to be gay, so can you. And if you can choose to be gay, your right of choice should be protected as long as you meet the new criteria - consenting adults, privacy of the bedroom.
But the only element of "lifestyle" common to all gays is that they prefer sex with people of their own gender. Beyond that you can find gays who are committed and gays who sleep around, just like us. You can find gays who drink wine and gays who drink beer, just like us. You can find gays who are Republicans and gays who are Democrats, just like us.
The only "agenda" gays hold that I'm aware of is to correct mistreatment under the law, and since the gays doing this are American citizens who work, pay taxes and vote, there is no reason to deny them this much of what they want. Gays should be able to form lifelong committed relationships, participate as full partners in medical decisions of their mates, pass on property to survivors as easily as the rest of us can.
And, yes, they should be able to raise children as a family unit.
This is the idea that troubles some people to distraction - what about the children? Won't kids who grow up in a homosexual-parent family turn out gay? Well, do all children who grow up in heterosexual-parent families turn out straight? Of course not. I had three children by my first wife. Two are heterosexual, one is gay. So that argument doesn't hold water.
What is important to children in any family is the quality of the relationship between the parents and between parents and children. Two heterosexual parents can make the lives of their children a living hell. Two homosexual parents can make the lives of their children an example of trust, commitment, integrity, and love.
We all ought to seek and savor the second kind of relationship, not reject one of them out of hand because we don't like the pairing.
But giving gays some minimal protection under the law is an essential first step to understanding their relationships, because nothing distorts research like criminalizing the behavior to be studied.
Besides, when gays are denied fundamental protection under the law, we are stating to the whole world that justice in America depends on your choice of sleeping partners. This is an insupportable premise for public policy.
For those who are rabidly opposed to homosexuality, I say by all means stay heterosexual. Just don't expect to see your zeal elevated to legal prohibition. Gays can be good Americans, too, and discriminating against good Americans with the law has yet to prove itself a viable long-term strategy.
Typical. You make a false statement, I ask you to prove it, and you respond with emotion, just calling names. And I don't believe in a Final Judgement any more than you do, so why drag that in?
He's not misinformed. He just chooses to be a homosexual promoter even though it is the degraded life both you, he and I know it to be.
Lie. Your only purpose in coming here is to promote the homosexual agenda. You never addressed the long article describing in detail the NON-RELIGIOUS reasons why sodomy/aka homosexual acts should not be promoted in society. Let's see some rebuttal of those reasons.
Except for prison, eh? On the otherhand behaioral pathologies usually begin at an early age so your "recruiting" strawman is really rather silly don't you think?
The homo-promoters here (currently EmmyLou, gcruse, and Trace) refuse to respond to any fact, reasonable argument, or statement of truth. They only want to promote their agenda (whether they are homosexuals or not I neither know nor care). They have yet to admit that they are wrong on one point, although their emotional statements are based on lies. They cannot debate facts, they only name call, whine emotionally, make bluffing statements, and repeat slogans.
1. The study cited is not the only evidence that many homosexuals commonly engage in sick and dangerous "sex" acts.
2. People love to say that "lots" of heterosexuals also practice the same sick stuff, but I have yet to see a reasonable study that says so.
3. And even IF it were true that many heterosexuals practiced such acts, then they would be sick perverts too, also in need of a change in their lives.
Its about time too. Nothing more than a DU fudge packing meathead troll.
I don't have anything against your sexual orientation....we have alot in common. If I woke up and discovered I was suddenly a woman, I'd make a beeline to the very same dyke bars you hang out at. You'd need a team of horses to pull me out of those places if I were a woman.
So, you see, we have a lot in common.
Yepppers, bring on the consensual incest, bestiality and consensual pedophilia, Liberaltarian social experiment UNITE'
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