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Filing challenges high court ruling: Federal Judge blocks Nevada Assembly's tax-increase vote
Las Vegas Review-Journal ^ | July 14, 03 | Las Vegas Review-Journal

Posted on 07/14/2003 5:03:52 PM PDT by churchillbuff

LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL

U.S. District Judge Philip Pro temporarily restrained the action by which the Nevada Assembly passed a tax bill with less than a two-thirds vote. He ordered an en banc hearing with all district judges for 9 a.m. Wednesday in Reno and Las Vegas.

The Assembly voted 26-16 Sunday for a bill that would increase taxes by a record $788 million over the next two years.

Today, Republican lawmakers, citizens and business groups -- upset with Thursday's decision by the state Supreme Court rejecting the two-thirds vote requirement to pass taxes -- filed an action in U.S. District Court seeking to block the court's ruling.

Assembly Minority Leader Lynn Hettrick, R-Gardnerville, said the federal action is necessary because the 6-1 Supreme Court ruling allowing only a simple majority to raise taxes is unconstitutional.

"We don't believe the court's decision that we can ignore the constitution is legal," he said.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; US: Nevada
KEYWORDS: taxes; tyranny
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To: ontos-on
What makes you be a "believer in "states' rights" over "fundamental constitutional rights"?

I believe in constitutional rights. I believe that the Nevada Supreme Court has the authority to interpret the laws (including the Constition) of Nevada. Those on the other side of the fence do not believe that the Nevada Supreme Court should be the ultimate authority in interpreting Nevada's laws.

81 posted on 07/14/2003 6:26:34 PM PDT by SolidSupplySide
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To: SolidSupplySide
What ever did the SCOFLA do about the slap in the face they took from SCOTUS? As I remember, they were instructed to reply to the SCOTUS as to what they based their decision on. Did this ever happen and what was their reply?
82 posted on 07/14/2003 6:28:39 PM PDT by BOBWADE
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To: churchillbuff
Bingo!

I guess some states' righters would have us acquiesce to a state court ordering Jews to wear Stars of David or interning blacks in camps, just so long as it was dutifully passed by legislature and affirmed by the state supremes.

Sorry, LIBERTY comes first. States' rights are an important bulwark against centralized tyranny, but the petty tyranny of oppressive individual states is no picnic either.
83 posted on 07/14/2003 6:30:00 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: SolidSupplySide
Well, you're new to this thread in regards to what my post is about. Did you think about reading above?

The questions realted to when and how the initiative came to pass.

If you'd read a little more, you'd find more sense.

84 posted on 07/14/2003 6:30:21 PM PDT by Principled
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To: churchillbuff
It is obviously time to have the Nevada State Supreme Court strip naked and run around in the desert while people pick them off with paint guns.
85 posted on 07/14/2003 6:31:13 PM PDT by avg_freeper (Gunga galunga. Gunga, gunga galunga)
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To: avg_freeper
Just paint guns? ;)
86 posted on 07/14/2003 6:32:29 PM PDT by Skywalk
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To: David
"State Supreme court is probably the final judge of this issue."

Can the USSC declare than the 14th Amendment infringes on the 2nd and is therefore unConstitutional? I think not.

Congress passes a law. President vetos the law. Check on Congress.

Congress overturns vetoe with 2/3 in each house. Check on Executive Branch.

Supreme Court rules law is unConstitutional. Check on both branches.

People pass Amendment specifically telling the SC what it wants. Check on Supreme Court.

Executive branch enforces the law of the land

. What happens if SC oversteps its authority and executive won't enforce the will of the people?

yitbos

88 posted on 07/14/2003 6:38:53 PM PDT by bruinbirdman (Joe McCarthy was right)
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To: Principled
I'm glad the fed judge did this, but how does he have jurisdiction in matters of nevada law?

Don't know exactly. But I would say that the Constitution's requirement that the Federal government make sure that each State has a republican form of government could apply.

The Supreme Court of Nevada basically took dictatorial powers and rewrote the Constitution of Nevada to suit it. It appears they overruled and nullified a specific and clear technical mandate by the Constitution in order to satisfy a more hazy and malleable amendment that conflicted with it but was more favorable to their personal ideas on social policy. Thats not a republican form of government.
89 posted on 07/14/2003 6:39:06 PM PDT by Arkinsaw
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To: Principled
Take a deep breath.
90 posted on 07/14/2003 6:39:25 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: SolidSupplySide
You are very aware, aren't you, that the Nevada Supreme Court has ruled that there are exceptions to the 2/3 supremajority requirement.

I am neither aware, nor very aware. This is the one thing in your post that contributes to the forum - thanks.

Could you tell us what exceptions have been made and whether it is germane to this complaint?

91 posted on 07/14/2003 6:39:26 PM PDT by Principled
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To: zip
zipity doo daa, dipity PING!
92 posted on 07/14/2003 6:41:45 PM PDT by BOBWADE
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To: Arkinsaw
I have learned that the feds are involved because the legislators have standing in that they are being denied their vote.

See post #40. Also, some links provided show the complaint itself and some relevant information regarding the 2/3 requirement.

ANother poster said that "exceptions have been made" to the 2/3 requirement, but he did not elaborate on what the exceptions were, nor did he indicate that it had any bearing here.

Maybe he'll respond.

93 posted on 07/14/2003 6:43:22 PM PDT by Principled
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To: SolidSupplySide
"I believe that the Nevada Supreme Court has the authority to interpret the laws (including the Constition) of Nevada"

But they didn't INTERPRET this law. They OVERRODE it. There is a difference.
94 posted on 07/14/2003 6:45:36 PM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq
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To: churchillbuff
An earlier posting with info on the subject: The court order -- made public by Chief Justice Deborah Agosti -- says public education is the TOP issue before Nevada lawmakers. It sides with Republican Governor Kenny Guinn. He asked the court to step in after the Legislature deadlocked without meeting a constitutional requirement to pass a balanced budget by July first.
95 posted on 07/14/2003 6:45:38 PM PDT by chance33_98 (http://home.frognet.net/~thowell/haunt/ ---->our ghosty page)
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To: Ken H
Ken H wrote:
A scofflaw State Court is very much the business of the USSC

I think Ken's comment is dead on.

I sense that this case is headed for the USSC, and quickly, for the issues at hand are among the most fundamental to our [supposedly] democratic republic.

This has all the makings of a monumentally historic case which has the potential to determine _whether or not_ our democratic republic can _remain_ exactly that. Or, do we risk becoming nothing more than a fiefdom, lorded over at the whims of imperial judges?

When I first read about the Nevada Supreme Court's opinion, I was shocked. If a judge, or judges, can blatantly IGNORE the plainly-written language of the Constitution under which he/she/they sit, at the same time also ignoring the will of the people as expressed through the legislature, the essence of the Republic is in mortal danger. This _isn't_ "interpretation": the Nevada Constitution explicitly specifies how a budget is to be enacted.

There is nothing to "interpret" here at all. This is nothing less than an overt attempt to usurp the democratic process through judicial power, in which the judges of the Court have "called the bluff" of all those whom they hold "below them".

What if the Nevada legislature is now unable to pass a budget by a simple majority? Will the Nevada Supreme Court further order that a budget favorable to its whim be passed by a plurality?

To put it another way, suppose the United States Supreme Court was to order the U.S. Congress to _re-enact_ welfare laws, on the supposition that welfare for the indigent was a _fundamental right_, the need for which superseded previously-enacted laws to reform it? Or, to order the Congress to pass "health care for all" legislation, regardless of the cost, claiming that it "discovered" that access to complete health care was another of those "fundamental rights" hidden in the "penumbras" of the Constitution?

Again, this has the makings of a monumental ideological contest. I hope the folks "on our side" won't give up the battle too quickly.

Cheers!
- John

96 posted on 07/14/2003 6:48:07 PM PDT by Fishrrman
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To: chance33_98
Why is the Chief Justice's opinion law?

Why not simply require a 20% "Yes" to pass? 11%? 1 vote?

If the nevada constitution allows for it, fine. But there's just no way to "interpret" that 2/3 only means 2/3 when some justices think so.

97 posted on 07/14/2003 6:50:31 PM PDT by Principled
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To: Principled
?We order the Legislature to fulfill its obligations under the Constitution of Nevada by raising sufficient revenues to fund education while maintaining a balanced budget,? Chief Justice Deborah Agosti wrote.

I'd just tell Ms. Justice Agosti to try to enforce it. Does she have an army?

98 posted on 07/14/2003 6:53:27 PM PDT by jackbill
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To: SolidSupplySide
I grant that the Nevada Supreme Court should be the ultimate authority in interpreting the meaning of Nevada laws. However, I also believe that when such an interpretation results in the violation of a fundamental constitutional right, then there is a federal obligation to protect that federal right.

The rights inherent in the concept of "ordered liberty" are protected from state tyranny by the 14th amendment. It is interesting to see this discussed in the different context of a footnote in Scalia's dissent in the recent sodomy case, Lawrence v. Texas:

3 The Court is quite right that “history and tradition are the starting point but not in all cases the ending point of the substantive due process inquiry,” ante, at 11. An asserted “fundamental liberty inter-est” must not only be “deeply rooted in this Nation’s history and tradi-tion,” Washington v. Glucksberg, 521 U. S. 702, 721 (1997), but it must also be “implicit in the concept of ordered liberty,” so that “neither liberty nor justice would exist if [it] were sacrificed,” ibid. Moreover, liberty interests unsupported by history and tradition, though not deserving of “heightened scrutiny,” are still protected from state laws that are not rationally related to any legitimate state interest. Id., at 722. As I proceed to discuss, it is this latter principle that the Court applies in the present case.

10 LAWRENCE v. TEXAS SCALIA, J., dissenting

99 posted on 07/14/2003 6:53:52 PM PDT by ontos-on
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To: Mr. Lucky
Yes. Done.

I was into this thread and had to leave briefly. I come back with a lot of interest and hopefully answers to questions only to be assailed by some newbie flexing his verbal revolver. Not what I was ready for.

I could have ignored, but it was too blatant.

Apologies to the forum.

100 posted on 07/14/2003 6:55:39 PM PDT by Principled
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