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Why we cheat - ( Women )
New York Post ^ | July 13, 2003 | Susan Edelman

Posted on 07/13/2003 11:34:31 AM PDT by UnklGene

WHY WE CHEAT

By SUSAN EDELMAN -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- FORBIDDEN PLEASURES: Some researchers believe changes in gender roles are prompting more married women to sleep around.

July 13, 2003 -- More women are cheating on their husbands - and doing it without remorse, sex researchers say. A stunning 90 percent of adulterous wives told one Manhattan researcher they suffered "no guilt," but rather felt "entitled" to the pleasure and excitement of their secret trysts, said Susan Shapiro Barash, a gender-studies professor and author.

"Women feel entitled because they're not getting what they need in the marriage. That's why women today have affairs," said Barash, who interviewed 120 wandering women for her recent book on female infidelity, "A Passion for More: Wives Reveal the Affairs that Make or Break their Marriages."

Based on her research, Barash contends that more than 60 percent of all married women will engage in at least one affair.

And many such women - despite socioeconomic differences - can empathize with someone like Kerry Kennedy Cuomo, Barash said.

In a breakup that rocked political and high-society circles, Kennedy Cuomo, 43, split two weeks ago from her husband of 13 years, Andrew Cuomo, over her alleged affair with randy restaurateur Bruce Colley, who is also married with children.

"These women would recognize her need - her desire to have more in her life than she had in her marriage," said Barash, who interviewed everyone from bus dispatchers, cops and stay-at-home moms to high-powered financiers, doctors and lawyers for her study.

"For the women who choose it, it's with great effort, so they really juggle the affair and somehow fit it in."

Barash found her sexually active subjects by posting ads in YWCAs and asking women who responded to refer friends who were having affairs.

Some therapists don't agree with Barash. They say many wandering women experience shame and regret - and seek help for adulterous urges.

"I have not witnessed a growing experience of 'entitlement.' Their conscience is bothering them," said Kristen Harrington, a marriage counselor who treats couples for infidelity in upstate Kingston.

But other experts agreed that more women today are determined to dally and less sorry about straying.

"I don't see women feeling a lot of guilt," said Baltimore psychologist Shirley Glass, whose book, "Not Just Friends: Protect Your Relationship from Infidelity and Heal the Trauma of Betrayal," was published this year.

Like other daughters of sexually unfaithful fathers, Glass said, Kerry Kennedy Cuomo, the daughter of Robert Kennedy, could prefer that role rather than emulate mothers who serve as "martyrs" and "doormats."

Women with careers and financial resources can take more risks, she added: "If their partners find out, they can take care of themselves."

Glass also found surprising changes in men who mess around.

Traditionally, men's affairs were purely sexual, often involving a male in power enjoying "a little on the side" with a female subordinate.

"Now, men and women are working together as equals, with a lot of intellectual energy and common interests," Glass said. "It's a combination of emotional and sexual bonds. And it's more dangerous because it creates an alternative to the marriage, rather than just a supplement."

But equality hasn't erased the differences in why men and women cheat, other experts argue.

"Men have affairs to boost their self-esteem and because it's available. Their feelings are closely tied to their sexuality and potency," said Brooklyn psychologist Marcella Bakur Weiner.

"Women don't just want a night of joy and pleasure," she said. "No matter what the feminists say, women want love. They want emotional attachment and bonding."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society
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To: Pukin Dog
I am single, financially secure for life, and I looked better in my Navy flight suit than George Bush did.

But you could not get me to walk down the aisle with a woman at gunpoint.

Former member of the Village People?

241 posted on 07/13/2003 9:47:30 PM PDT by UnBlinkingEye
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To: kstewskis
On my first date with my wife I picked her up in this old 1957 Pontiac that I was getting ready for the dragstrip, I had unbolted the bumper and grille to reduce the weight and hurriedly threw it back on before picking her up.

After we left her Mom's place, we drove up past the cemetery and the bumper fell off. I got out and bolted it back on good enough to keep on going just before the lightning struck and the thunder roared; I continued up the hill and we sat there watching, listening, to the storm.

242 posted on 07/13/2003 9:47:32 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: UnBlinkingEye
Once is funny, twice is not.
243 posted on 07/13/2003 9:49:47 PM PDT by UnBlinkingEye
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To: BRL
Jerks never know what a real relationship is because they don not sacrifice for anyone. Sorry for the rambling, but I believe that selflessness (not doormatness) and patience does pay off

You're not rambling. But what do you say to the guy who's been so burned by these stay at home women who've screwed around on him behind his back, ran him into the ground financially...and lied to about the whole thing...after he's been out struggling to make ends meet and support the family? His young son, btw, chose to live with him, not his mother.

Speaking of selfless, this same fellow goes on to another relationship, meets who he "thought" was a very nice lady with two boys. She has a mental breakdown, and dumps the boys. She wants no part of them. Or him. He takes the boys into his home, and now is raising 3 boys, two of whom aren't on his own.

Can one blame him for not wanting to get involved with another woman again?

These (literally) crazy women lead a path of distruction, only to leave the rest of us honest ones scratching our heads thinking that it's not just the men who get screwed...

244 posted on 07/13/2003 9:51:33 PM PDT by kstewskis ("political correctness is intellectual terrorism...." Mel Gibson)
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To: Old Professer
After we left her Mom's place, we drove up past the cemetery and the bumper fell off. I got out and bolted it back on good enough to keep on going just before the lightning struck and the thunder roared; I continued up the hill and we sat there watching, listening, to the storm.

How fun!

But did lightening strike again? (*wink!*)

245 posted on 07/13/2003 9:54:30 PM PDT by kstewskis ("political correctness is intellectual terrorism...." Mel Gibson)
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To: kstewskis
I have no better friend and no storm is too rough for us to ride out, the arcs may be shorter now but they are closer together.
246 posted on 07/13/2003 9:59:56 PM PDT by Old Professer
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To: Old Professer
absolutely beautiful :)
247 posted on 07/13/2003 10:02:30 PM PDT by kstewskis ("political correctness is intellectual terrorism...." Mel Gibson)
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To: kstewskis
whoops...

distruction=destruction

brain cells are circling the drain....

248 posted on 07/13/2003 10:04:23 PM PDT by kstewskis ("political correctness is intellectual terrorism...." Mel Gibson)
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To: Old Professer
Wow... a real big spender.
249 posted on 07/13/2003 10:08:29 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: Old Professer
I know my big spender comment seemed cold. That sounds like a great date for kids. But if a man who is the appropriate age for me can't do better than that, I will do without. He is looking for someone to give him a ride.... and will never be a man who is proud to support his own family.
250 posted on 07/13/2003 10:22:41 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA; kstewskis
>>"...it is far more important that they encourage men to support their families in the workforce, so the women can be the support system in the homefront."<<

Ain't it the truth. A concept that used to be upheld in society as best all the way around.

('stew: I can hear the wonderful sound of feminist gagging, can you?)

251 posted on 07/13/2003 10:42:51 PM PDT by viaveritasvita
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To: viaveritasvita; ValerieUSA
'stew: I can hear the wonderful sound of feminist gagging, can you?

Loud and clear! LOL!!!!!

252 posted on 07/13/2003 10:49:40 PM PDT by kstewskis ("political correctness is intellectual terrorism...." Mel Gibson)
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To: RedBloodedAmerican
You're welcome, anytime.


253 posted on 07/13/2003 10:51:57 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: UnklGene
As sung by Tony Bennett, on the soundtrack of the movie What Women Want:

The Good Life

Oh, the good life, full of fun seems to be the ideal
Mm, the good life lets you hide all the sadness you feel
You won't really fall in love for you can't take the chance
So please be honest with yourself, don't try to fake romance

It's the good life to be free and explore the unknown
Like the heartaches when you learn you must face them alone
Please remember I still want you, and in case you wonder why
Well, just wake up, kiss the good life goodbye


254 posted on 07/13/2003 11:35:01 PM PDT by TheMole
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To: glory
How are young boys to know they are meant to be leaders? The young boys are emasculated with tv shows which are PC obligated to show girls beating out the boys.

It is take you girls to work day, not take your son to work day. The only organization specifically made to make boys men and leaders, the boy scouts, is under attack and on the outs with the powers that be.

Before a man can be a king, he must first master being a prince who will one day be king. (look at the lion king, first movie good, sequal movie was pc barf)

Forget this generation, how do we train all the boys growing up now?
255 posted on 07/13/2003 11:57:09 PM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: viaveritasvita
it is the little things that make life magic. Its when she does some little thing that makes you life easy. (like taping your favorite show when you forgot to set the VCR without asking, or just enjoying a long car trip, or my personal favorit: road trip on harley) It is always more that just sex. The little things that light up each others life add magic to those moments. Each others acts feed on each other, it makes you want to do more. No one wants to be romantic to some woman who has reduced herself to b*tch. (conversly a self absorbed b*stard gets no reciprocation) For my opinion, and consent of the woman in my life, sexual attraction is a healthy part of the mix. Its "making love" an expression of the daily intimacy we share.

These cheating women would never pass the "smell" test. Their attitude stinks. No one with want them other than as a source of physical relief. Used and dismissed. Its a sad existence.


256 posted on 07/14/2003 12:20:09 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (Vote!)
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To: longtermmemmory
These cheating women would never pass the "smell" test. Their attitude stinks. No one with want them other than as a source of physical relief. Used and dismissed. Its a sad existence.

I could never cheat on my husband. Imagine having to know, every day of the rest of your life, that you ARE the type of person who cheats, lies, betrays. I couldn't live with that.

257 posted on 07/14/2003 1:10:53 AM PDT by Dianna
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To: UnklGene
Barash found her sexually active subjects by posting ads in YWCAs and asking women who responded to refer friends who were having affairs.

There have been a number of studies of infidelity and this one is simply another one. Depending on the subjects, the numbers range all the way from 25% to 75%.

The above in italics is all you really know about how this was conducted. It sounds like they got their info from cheating women who knew other cheating women and they shared their views on the subject.

Thats like interviewing criminals to get info on the lives of the law-abiding.

Why not just ask the law-abiding?

258 posted on 07/14/2003 1:20:37 AM PDT by xzins
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To: glory
My "nice" clothes sit "quietly" in the back of my closet--some have dust on the shoulders--isn't that sad???

Mine went to Goodwill, except for a few choices for church: warm or cold? "regular," maternity, or nursing?

My husband just put his foot down and said I HAVE to replace the denim jumper - he doesn't want to be seen with me in public in the old one!

Doug Phillips (VisionForum.com) and Richard Wheeler (MantleMinistries.com) have some good materials on training boys to be real men and godly husbands and fathers.

259 posted on 07/14/2003 4:54:11 AM PDT by Tax-chick (I'm a right wingnut, I admit it!)
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To: longtermmemmory
Agree with you as someone who is a child of a marriage that broke up over cheating(my dad was the cheat and mom was blindsided and then taken advantage of by him while he tried to grip every penny for himself and his new 'love'--incidentally, they are now divorcing too after more than 10 years of marriage and this one is not going to be as generous as my mom was)
260 posted on 07/14/2003 4:59:40 AM PDT by glory
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