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Police unable to locate barricaded man in burned home's rubble {raid on Michigan Militia Chaplin}
AP via MLive.com (Ann Arbor News) ^ | 7/9/2003 | JAMES PRICHARD

Posted on 07/09/2003 5:52:58 AM PDT by Vigilant1

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Funny how those accidental fires break out every time the government gets in an armed standoff with somebody they're unable or afraid to take on. Woodring is the Chaplin of the Michigan Militia. It sounds to me like they set him up on a trumped-up charge, used that as an excuse to try and make an example out of him, botched the raid, killed one of their own officers, and then he somehow escaped. I think we may see more about this on America's Most Wanted in the near future....
1 posted on 07/09/2003 5:52:59 AM PDT by Vigilant1
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2 posted on 07/09/2003 5:55:11 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Vigilant1
I thought the Chaplin was dead.


3 posted on 07/09/2003 5:58:19 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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Background on man in Fremont standoff

WOOD-TV - Channel 8

(July 8, 2003, 5:05 p.m.) Scott Alan Woodring, the man who kept police at bay in Fremont, is 40 years old. He is perhaps best known to many in the Fremont area for his stringent anti-government views.

Woodring's family describe him as a "non-violent" member of the Michigan militia and said that he does not trust the government. His family says he prepared heavily for Y2K and has stock piles of food and supplies in the house.

Reports indicate his only income was from a paper route. In 1996 he ran for Dayton Township Supervisor on an anti-government campaign. His family says he is religious and would spend hours studying the bible. His past criminal record includes receiving several tickets for not registering his car.

Late Sunday night authorities tried to serve an arrest warrant for soliciting sex from a minor.

His father was quoted as saying he didn't think his son would come out alive.

State police had said all along they wanted to end the standoff peacefully but were unaware of what Woodring had inside his home as far as weapons or explosives. Police had been engaging in so-called "scare tactics" such as using armored personnel carriers to circle the house, as well as detonation devices to keep their suspect on edge. Helicopters hovered day and night for surveillance and intimidation. Police never ruled out the use of force.

Woodring's family had wanted to negotiate directly with him. They said that's the only way to prevent further bloodshed.

4 posted on 07/09/2003 5:58:21 AM PDT by Vigilant1 (The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.)
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The Detroit News that Woodring was active in the group until the mid-1990s. They parted ways over ideological differences.

Strange that this is buried, considering the propaganda headline.

5 posted on 07/09/2003 5:59:06 AM PDT by jammer
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To: hellinahandcart
Read the article. They can't find his body in the rubble, and they found his backpack (identified by his wife as his) full of food & ammo, 3/4 mile from the house two hours after the fire. That seems to indicate he got away.
6 posted on 07/09/2003 6:01:22 AM PDT by Vigilant1 (The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.)
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Agree with everything you say, except the last sentence--the propaganda machine is already in high gear. I doubt we'll ever know all of it.
7 posted on 07/09/2003 6:01:42 AM PDT by jammer
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So you don't trust the government either?

He broke the law! He solicited a minor for sex and was presented with a warrant. Woodring *refused* the warrant and barricaded himself in his home while still maintaining he was innocent. Doesn't sound like the actions of an innocent man to me, let alone someone who is deeply religious. Now he's a cop killer as well. Sounds to me like Woodring *wants* to be made an example. He'll get his wish.

Whether he distrusts the government or not, if he is innocent, he could have simply accepted the warrant and had his innocence proven. For all the 'oh he's a good guy, a man of God' stuff I've read about him, he certainly isn't proving so with his actions. Sounds to me like he had a fall from grace, and rather than admitting it, he's going to go out guns a blazing. Nope. Doesn't sound like a man of God to me. Sounds more like a lunatic martyr.

8 posted on 07/09/2003 6:04:47 AM PDT by rintense (Freedom is contagious, and everyone wants to catch it!)
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Woodring is the Chaplin of the Michigan Militia.

This isn't in the story.

What's the source of your information?

9 posted on 07/09/2003 6:05:05 AM PDT by Catspaw
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The part of the title in brackets is my addendum. According to the A Well Regulated Militia website discussion board, he was still active with the Michigan Militia, but only as their Chaplin.
10 posted on 07/09/2003 6:06:49 AM PDT by Vigilant1 (The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.)
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Read the article.

I already posted the darned article to another thread, earlier this morning.

Now, what makes you think he was the "chaplain of the Michigan Militia"? That isn't mentioned in this article; I know because I read it.

11 posted on 07/09/2003 6:07:34 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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People must follow the laws or things like this could happen. Some stung up anti government junkie simply doesn't want to follow the law. It's unfortunate that an officer had to die in order to keep the peace.
12 posted on 07/09/2003 6:07:35 AM PDT by m1-lightning (My physics teacher's definition of a Democrat - Anything that has weight and takes up space.)
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Tom Wayne, former chief of staff and executive officer of the Michigan Militia Corps Wolverines, told The Detroit News that Woodring was active in the group until the mid-1990s. They parted ways over ideological differences.

So Tom Wayne is lying? I wonder what else he's lying about.

13 posted on 07/09/2003 6:08:47 AM PDT by Catspaw
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I know the guy killed a cop. BUT - how come it's SOP to burn down the home?
14 posted on 07/09/2003 6:09:31 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay
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May Trooper Kevin Marshall rest in peace.

And may Woodring rot in hell along with his fellow "Christian Identity" freaks.
15 posted on 07/09/2003 6:09:56 AM PDT by Larry Lucido
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I'm not going to plow through hundreds of posts on the site to find it. Could you post where Woodering is listed as Chaplain of the Michigan Militia from that website?
16 posted on 07/09/2003 6:10:44 AM PDT by Catspaw
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how come it's SOP to burn down the home?

If the guy escaped, why assume the fire was started by anyone but him, as a distraction?

17 posted on 07/09/2003 6:13:58 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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r:
"He broke the law! He solicited a minor for sex and was presented with a warrant."

No, he was accused of this. People are innocent until proven guilty where I come from.
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R:
"Woodring *refused* the warrant and barricaded himself in his home while still maintaining he was innocent. Doesn't sound like the actions of an innocent man to me, let alone someone who is deeply religious."

He didn't trust the government not to waste him, which many people in this country don't. So that makes him automatically guilty? What a load of crap.
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r:
"Now he's a cop killer as well."

Did you even read the article ??? It looks like the cops killed one of their own officers when they botched the raid.
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r:
"Sounds to me like Woodring *wants* to be made an example. He'll get his wish."

He may be a guilty man trying to evade justice, or he may be a man unwilling to be shot down by trigger happy cops, like Randy Weaver's wife and many other people have been. The truth is that neither of us know what really happened.

18 posted on 07/09/2003 6:16:44 AM PDT by Vigilant1 (The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.)
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ADfSB:
"I know the guy killed a cop."

Sorry, but you nothing of the kind. The way the Michigan State Police are waffling on that point, it's pretty clear to me that another officer killed Trooper Marshal. Otherwise, they'd be falling all over themselves to pin it on Woodring.

19 posted on 07/09/2003 6:22:34 AM PDT by Vigilant1 (The price of liberty is eternal vigilance.)
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