[Vigilant1]

r:
"He broke the law! He solicited a minor for sex and was presented with a warrant."

No, he was accused of this. People are innocent until proven guilty where I come from.
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R:
"Woodring *refused* the warrant and barricaded himself in his home while still maintaining he was innocent. Doesn't sound like the actions of an innocent man to me, let alone someone who is deeply religious."

He didn't trust the government not to waste him, which many people in this country don't. So that makes him automatically guilty? What a load of crap.
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r:
"Now he's a cop killer as well."

Did you even read the article ??? It looks like the cops killed one of their own officers when they botched the raid.
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r:
"Sounds to me like Woodring *wants* to be made an example. He'll get his wish."

He may be a guilty man trying to evade justice, or he may be a man unwilling to be shot down by trigger happy cops, like Randy Weaver's wife and many other people have been. The truth is that neither of us know what really happened.

[hellinahandcart]

No, he was accused of this. People are innocent until proven guilty where I come from.

You're not saying a person can't even be ARRESTED until they're proven guilty in a court of law, are you?

The local police had a complaint and got a warrant. That's due process whether he was innocent or not. He should have gone along with them rather than escalating things to the point where outsiders had to be called in.

[rintense]

Innocent until proven guilty is right. So then why did he refuse the warrant? Why did he barricade himself in his home if he's innocent? According to the cops he did break the law. If the cops are wrong, then Woodring will be proven innocent. That is the way justice works. What's a load of crap is that folks are excusing his actions- including possibly killing a cop, because he's anti-government! If this were joe-schmo off the street, some folks here wouldn't give a flying fig about him.

If he's innocent, then he will be proven so! As far as the friendly fire, this is completely new information. Yesterday, the media reported that Woodring shot him. We'll wait and see what the ballistic tests show. But I'm sure you won't trust those either.

His actions are not those of a rational man, let alone someone who doesn't trust the government.

[Poser]

"Did you even read the article ??? It looks like the cops killed one of their own officers when they botched the raid."

The article said no such thing. It said they were going to investigate. They are required to do so.

[Chemist_Geek]

"He broke the law! He solicited a minor for sex and was presented with a warrant."

No, he was accused of this. People are innocent until proven guilty where I come from.

Ah, so we're to have a trial, before the arrest? Then if the Bad Guy is convicted in the pre-arrest trial, he'll have to come in, but only if it's convenient, and not on a weekend or anything like that, for the real trial. Of course, that's only if there's no fringe on the flag in the courtroom.

Get off it, Vig. There was an arrest warrant for this whackjob. While it's not the case that anyone who is arrested is guilty, it's also true that judges don't just hand out arrest warrants.

The constituitional right to due process does not include taking one's innocent wife hostage and barricading oneself in one's home, and endangering one's neighbors enough to require an evacuation of the 2,011 surrounding acres, and certainly not murdering a police officer.