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Adversaries on Gay Rights Vow State-by-State Fight
NYT ^ | July 6, 2003 | SARAH KERSHAW

Posted on 07/08/2003 11:11:14 AM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

Spurred on by the Supreme Court's landmark ruling decriminalizing gay sexual conduct, both sides in the debate over gay rights are vowing an intense state-by-state fight over deeply polarizing questions, foremost among them whether gays should be allowed to marry.

Even with most legislatures out of session until early next year, lively debates are already taking shape across the country, from Hawaii to Connecticut, Oregon to Alabama to Massachusetts. Potentially fierce battles over marriage and other rights loom in dozens of statehouses and state courts, as social conservatives — including the Senate majority leader, Bill Frist of Tennessee — try to breathe new life into a proposed constitutional amendment that would effectively ban gay marriage.

In dozens of interviews this week, activists, pundits on both sides and legal scholars from across the political spectrum said that with the Supreme Court's June 26 ruling in Lawrence v. Texas, the country was at a revolutionary moment akin to the aftermath of the decisions in Brown v. the Board of Education, which banned school segregation, and Roe v. Wade, which legalized abortion.

"The right wing is really galvanized by this, throwing down the barricades," said William Rubenstein, a law professor at the University of California at Los Angeles and the faculty chairman of the Williams project on sexual orientation law.

At the same time, he said: "Gay rights activists are excited and want to go the next step. On the one hand the Lawrence decision gives advocates an enormous weapon in their arsenal, and at the same time it will mobilize opponents of same-sex marriage in ways we haven't seen."

Most agreed that the question of whether the United States will allow gays to marry would become the next major focus of both the gay rights movement and of social conservatives, now that the Supreme Court effectively removed what has been used by many states as the basis for discrimination on a wide array of civil rights questions.

A decision last month in Ontario to extend marriage rights to same-sex couples, which is expected to go into effect for the whole country by the end of the year, making Canada the third country after the Netherlands and Belgium to allow gays to marry, is also bound to put the gay marriage question on the front burner here.

"America has hit a tipping point in which fair-minded people now support equality and inclusion for gay people and most Americans are ready to accept marriage," said Evan Wolfson of Freedom to Marry, an advocacy group in New York.

"We are in a Brown v. Board of Education moment right now," Mr. Wolfson said. "The Supreme Court has said in the strongest possible terms that love and intimacy and family have deep constitutional protection for all Americans and that gay people have an equal right to participate. This gives us a tremendous tool for moving forward to end the discrimination."

"At the same time," he added, "it is important to remember what came after Brown: major legal challenges and acts of courage but also fierce resistance."

Glenn Stanton, senior analyst for marriage and sexuality at Focus on the Family, a national organization opposed to gay rights, agreed there would be resistance. "I think that what will happen is that states will be seeking to say, `You know what? Don't bring any of that stuff here,' " he said. "We know what we want, we know what marriage is, and we know what sexual relationships are. They will be asking how they can protect life as they know it, rather than life as the Supreme Court tells them it's going to be."

State gay rights groups and social conservative groups are preparing for legislative and court fights.

"These are the first shots in the largest battle in the culture wars since Roe v. Wade," said Brian Brown, executive director of the Family Institute of Connecticut, a conservative group. "The people of Connecticut are not going to stand for this."

He added: "Politicians in Connecticut will have nowhere to hide. You'll have to choose a side. Either you support traditional marriage or you radically redefine it."In the 2003 legislative session, Connecticut, Montana and Rhode Island debated bills that would permit same-sex marriage, all of which died, according to the Human Rights Campaign, a gay advocacy group.

No state permits same-sex couples to legally marry, but in 2000, the Vermont Legislature conferred on gay couples in the state all of the rights married couples enjoy, but that does not entitle them to hundreds of federal rights or rights of married couples in other states.

In seven states, bills that would create civil unions similar to Vermont's were introduced, the Human Rights campaign said, and they died in all but two — California and Massachusetts, where they are pending.

Thirty-seven states already have what are called Defense of Marriage Acts, saying that marriage is between one man and one woman. In 2003, 10 states introduced bills that would either create one, if they were among states that had no defense of marriage act, or would prohibit recognition of same-sex marriages, civil unions or domestic partnerships forged anywhere else. Some of those states, including Texas, already had Defense of Marriage Acts but were seeking to expand them. Of those, only the Texas bill passed.

Gay rights groups said that even as they are emboldened by the Supreme Court ruling, they are also preparing for a backlash, especially in more conservative states.

Alabama is considered by gay rights activists to be one of the most resistant states to gay rights.

"Some people in our organization are very concerned about a backlash," said Ken Baker of Equality Alabama, a gay rights group. "We'll deal with it if it happens."

Another major battlefront is the courts. There are dozens of pending cases across the country relating to child custody, adoption, employment discrimination and gay marriage. Two court cases brought by couples seeking to legalize same-sex marriage in Massachusetts and New Jersey could yield landmark rulings.

The Massachusetts case, brought by Julie and Hillary Goodridge, who were denied a marriage license, could be decided this month.

A ruling for the plaintiffs would make the state the first to legalize gay marriage. Some social conservatives are already preparing.

"We're looking at this closely," said Len Deo, president of the New Jersey Family Policy Council. "Things are going to heat up. The next legislative session I'm sure is going to be feisty around these cultural issues."


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To: jethropalerobber
I am using very slight exaggeration to make a point. The fact is that homosexuals and their supporters in the media, academia, government, liberalized churches and on and on DO want to sexualize the atmosphere of our country. Flaunting homosexual behavior - and teaching in schools, "gay" expressions and actions on TV etc - is one end (probably not THE end unfortunately) of a continuum. Included in the whorehouse atmosphere our country is developing are slut attire, young kids acting out sex that they see or have had forced on them, acceptance of multiple partner sex by mid teen years, adultery as a totally accepted behavior with resultant easy devorce and broken families, etc.
Homosexuality is just the next step, but a big one, since it glorifies the unnatural use of the natural human sex urge. And it makes adulterers and others feel good about themselves, since if two (or three or ten or pick a number) of men practicing anonymous or even monogamous (less usual) sodomy is fine, then at least sex out of wedlock is more normal by comparison.
61 posted on 07/09/2003 8:07:19 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: jethropalerobber
You sarcastically wrote:

it's all part of the "vast gay agenda."

Here are some links that document the gay agenda:

  1. Targeting Children Part 1 
  2. Targeting Children Part 2 
  3. "Queering" Moral Education 
  4. The Homosexual Propaganda and Media Manipulation Game 
  5. Thought Reform And The Psychology of Homosexual Advocacy 
  6. Invasion of the mind snatchers 

I have the book at link #4, it's quite eye opening.
62 posted on 07/09/2003 8:08:24 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: pram
...[they] want to sexualize the atmosphere of our country...

right.
sex education was never taught in schools until the gays came and had to "sexualize" schools. there were no depictions of sexuality on TV until gays came in to "sexualize" it. "slut attire," teenage promiscuity, adultery, and divorce - yep, we certainly never saw any of that before the gays became politically active in the 80's.

...it makes adulterers and others feel good about themselves...

all the more reason to legalize gay marriage. but i can see now that you prefer to keep gays in non-sanctioned relationships so that you can continue your absurd scapegoating.

63 posted on 07/09/2003 8:46:01 AM PDT by jethropalerobber
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To: scripter
thank you but i have no need of your links.

i know enough gay people to already know what their agenda is: equal treatment under the law for themselves and their relationships.

it's really not all that frightening. you, on the other hand, attempt to frighten people by portraying the extremists within the gay community as if they were the mainstream.

64 posted on 07/09/2003 8:51:23 AM PDT by jethropalerobber
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To: kegler4
Well, if I am so wrong, then you must be nothing but another liberal scum attempting to suck the DECENT life out of this country. I wish you nothing but the worst.
65 posted on 07/09/2003 9:08:06 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: jethropalerobber
all the more reason to legalize gay marriage. but i can see now that you prefer to keep gays in non-sanctioned relationships so that you can continue your absurd scapegoating.

Homosexuals have admitted that the reason they want to have state sanctioned "marriage" is to further their agenda of acceptance and even dominance - dominance in the sense that THEY set the rules of society, what is acceptable and what is not. Do you know the rates of promiscuity and monogamy among homosexuals, compared to normal men and women? It's so high as to be ridiculous.

i know enough gay people to already know what their agenda is: equal treatment under the law for themselves and their relationships.

They do not want equal treatment. They want to make the rules. A homosexual is not an identity like race. It is a chosen behvior that can be rejected.

There are absolute moral standards for human society given in every scripture or monotheist religious teaching in the history of the world. By wanting to destroy these moral codes, homosexuals and their supporters want to turn human society into animal society. If you deny that homosexuals and their fellow hedonists such as Larry Flynt and the academicians who are now supporting child/adult sex want to change the rules of society, you are either ill-informed (in which case you should read up before spouting your opinion) or you are purposely lying. One or the other.

66 posted on 07/09/2003 10:22:10 AM PDT by First Amendment
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To: pram
"A homosexual is not an identity like race. It is a chosen behvior that can be rejected."

That's the same debate I had with Dilly.

67 posted on 07/09/2003 11:01:25 AM PDT by azhenfud ("for every government action, there must be an equal and opposite reaction")
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To: jethropalerobber
thank you but i have no need of your links.

I realize many folks like yourself are not interested in facts or don't want to comment on them. Sorry to hear that.

68 posted on 07/09/2003 11:48:17 AM PDT by scripter (Thousands have left the homosexual lifestyle.)
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To: ohioman
How does the President figure that we won't be overextending our troops by sending some to Liberia? I'm sorry, but I don't know enough about this situation.
69 posted on 07/09/2003 1:36:29 PM PDT by Seamus Mc Gillicuddy
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To: Dilly
...but recognize that the slippery slope argument goes both ways.

I'll grant that it's indeed a slippery slope.

If certain people, pushing an agenda, had their way the census information would be collected: caucasian, black, American Indian, asian, homosexual.

It's not a separate race of people, but a very sad and disgusting gaggle.

70 posted on 07/09/2003 1:39:48 PM PDT by FBFranco
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To: ohioman
"Well, if I am so wrong, then you must be nothing but another liberal scum attempting to suck the DECENT life out of this country. I wish you nothing but the worst."

Yep, that's me. Why just last night my neighbor was saying, "Boy, you sure are a liberal scum sucking the DECENT life out of this country." He even put DECENT in all caps when he said it.

You are obnoxious and a troglodyte. What more can I say?
71 posted on 07/10/2003 5:53:15 AM PDT by kegler4
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To: kegler4
You are no conservative, that's for sure.
72 posted on 07/10/2003 6:03:38 AM PDT by ohioman
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To: Tailgunner Joe
"God made Adam and Eve...not Adam and Steve."
73 posted on 07/10/2003 6:10:24 AM PDT by PatriotBill (REMOVE)
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To: jethropalerobber
My poll numbers are actually very accurate. They've even been quoted in the Washington Post.

http://www.pollingreport.com/Court.htm

74 posted on 07/10/2003 1:38:47 PM PDT by No Dems 2004
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To: Tailgunner Joe
EXACTLY... SUPPORT HJR 56....

List of CO-Sponsors GROWING - Call YOUR Congressman.

75 posted on 07/18/2003 11:06:03 AM PDT by davidosborne (www.davidosborne.net)
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