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A Fundamental Constitutional Right To Have Sex With Children, Too?
Toogood Reports ^ | July 8 | Lowell Phillips

Posted on 07/08/2003 7:08:39 AM PDT by F_Cohen

Is It A Fundamental Constitutional Right To Have Sex With Children, Too?

By Lowell Phillips Tuesday July 8, 2003

Toogood Reports

"This is a glorious and beautiful time to be queer."

Don't start hammering out the hate mail just yet. Those aren't my words, but those of a bona fide "gay rights" activist. Amid the orgy of celebration (pun intended) following the Supreme Court's 6-3 ruling in Lawrence v. Texas, striking down sodomy laws, Molly McKay, spokeswoman for Marriage Equality California proclaimed,

"This month has been filled with hope... This is a glorious and beautiful time to be queer."

Few on either side of what remains of the ideological debate could argue.

It must also be a glorious and beautiful time to sit on the imperial U.S. Supreme Court. Honestly now, could there be a better gig? Granted, getting there is no simple feat. But once you have accumulated just enough gray hair, paid homage to the miscarriages of those who have preceded you and aced the litmus tests, you are set for life and free to indulge in philosophical flights of fancy.

Sure, the job description mentions something called "The Constitution" and adherence to it, but you know that the notion of it being a "living document" entitles you to make it whatever you want it to be. Comically, some of your colleges, one is a black man who's a traitor to his race, another a spiteful Italian, harp about this thing called "original intent" and prattle on about "the Founding Gentlemen," " the Drafting Fathers" or something like that, thus preventing them from making their own rules, as others have. Whatever they're called, they certainly could not know what they meant as well as you do.

The recent decisions of the high court have again proven that it is not a forum within which the survival of our republic is assured, but rather one where two-dimensional, feel-good social thinking outweighs codified constitutional safeguards. Indeed its actions show that our once sacred document no longer lives. The illusion of life is maintained, however, by regularly applied swats and kicks to its hollow carcass.

The Second Amendment "right of the people to keep and bear arms" to some, though succinctly written, never existed. And if it did, it could not possibly have been expected to apply in an era when modern weaponry would pose such a dire threat to the collective good. But when it was written, corporations and ad hoc associations could easily match the firepower of the federal government (see: The Whisky Rebellion of 1794). Whatever the power of modern weaponry today, such groups could not possibly hold out for long against the U.S. government, or a local police force for that matter. As such, the "threat" to the collective good today is miniscule as compared to the time of drafting of the Constitution.

But those were barbaric times and government has evolved into a benign servant of people and can assure that criminals will never be armed and roaming the streets. Right?

Funds extorted from the American people and then returned as an entitlement opiate, along with the whims of the activist judges, have been instrumental in rendering the Tenth Amendment meaningless. It clearly states,

"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the states, are reserved to the states respectively, or to the people."

But very little remains outside the purview of the federal government, and as such this represents nothing more than a quaint reminder of a time when this country was something called "a republic".

The concept of "diversity" represents a "compelling state interest", assuming erroneously that the term, as it relates to public policy, is definable. But whatever it means, the decision in Grutter vs. Bollinger affirms that it trumps the Equal Protection Clause of the 14th Amendment. While the University of Michigan and all publicly funded institutions are asked not to be so obvious as to assign a specific point structure, they may certainly continue to favor some over others based on skin color.

The distortions of the meanings behind the Constitution are sweeping, and though never stated outright, the assumption must be that the Drafter's intentions were to deconstruct their entire culture.

Not only were they intellectually enlightened, the Founders were also largely pious men, which despite modern interpretations are not mutually exclusive. In a step to assure the free practice of religion and to prevent the establishment of an American version of the Anglican Church, they spelled out in the First Amendment,

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

Yet somehow the courts interpret this to mean that any and every reference to, or expression of, faith is prohibited in the public square. Moreover, the aforementioned abandonment of the Tenth Amendment and near universal distribution of federal dollars insure that no municipality, however tiny, or faith-based organization, however benign, is unaffected by this misrepresentation.

But the truest illustration of the Founders assumed desire to lay waste to all they knew is the dogged recognition of the constitutionally unenumerated "right to privacy". Whether this alleged right is derived from a creative reading of the 1st, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 9th or 14th Amendment, or a combination of them, the result is to place all morality on an unstable foundation.

"Good," the response often is. Following the Supreme Courts ruling in Lawrence vs. Texas, Democrat Rep. James P. Moran of Virginia commented,

"The government has no business regulating or legislating morality, and it certainly has no business interfering with this very private action between consenting adults..."

There is nothing remotely unusual about the statement. Such sentiments pass for acumen, but are nothing of the sort. On the contrary, this is screaming stupidity. To suggest that law, any law, can be enacted apart from morality is ludicrous. It is no more possible than attempting to breath without inhaling. They are one and the same.

No matter if it is found in the text of the Constitution or born of the legislature, when broken down to its basic components law ends up being a "because it's right" or "because it's wrong" issue. And conclusions of right and wrong are moral judgments. Period. Few would argue that rape should be permitted, but when put to a series of "whys", it comes down to "because it's wrong". The same holds for any crime.

Writing for the majority in Lawrence vs. Texas, Justice Anthony M. Kennedy proclaimed,

"Freedom extends beyond spatial bounds. Liberty presumes an autonomy of self that includes freedom of thought, belief, expression and certain intimate conduct... Adults may choose to enter upon this relationship in the confines of their homes and their own private lives and still retain their dignity as free persons... The State cannot demean their existence or control their destiny by making their private sexual conduct a crime..."

Noted by many "intolerant" right-wingers is that, while directed at decriminalizing homosexual sodomy, this leaves the door wide open for endless actions that can be said to fall under the manufactured right to privacy.

Although ridiculed, vilified and generally ignored by the politically correct intelligentsia, Justice Antonin Scalia responded with the undeniable,

"States continue to prosecute all sorts of crimes by adults in matters pertaining to sex: prostitution, adult incest, adultery, obscenity, and child pornography...This effectively decrees the end of all morals legislation. If, as the Court asserts, the promotion of majoritarian sexual morality is not even a legitimate state interest, none of the above-mentioned laws can survive rational-basis review..."

The notion of a right to privacy, entangled with an increasing creative application of the "Equal Protection Clause" and the vacuous term "consenting adults" sweeps the moral, and thereby legal, underpinnings out from beneath American culture, human civilization, and to a great extent natural law. If the thinking behind rulings like Lawrence vs. Texas and Roe vs. Wade is in keeping with the Constitution, exactly where is the rationale for forbidding homosexual marriage, homosexual adoption, polygamy, bestiality, drug use, adult incest, prostitution and child pornography?

It does not exist.

The term "consenting adults" is itself a clear statement of moral judgment. An age at which consent can legally be given is set according to what is considered morally appropriate, and has no definitive connection to emotional, intellectual or physical maturity.

The idea that what is now considered "statutory rape" or even "pedophilia" could ever be legitimized is far from the minds of average Americans. But so too were thoughts that homosexuality would be deemed "normal", that "gender" would be a subjective concept, and that homosexual "marriage" would be seriously contemplated to Americans not long ago.

The malleability of modern moral standards is already setting the philosophical groundwork. Throughout the media children are increasingly objectified sexually. Contraception and pregnancy termination have established sex in our emerging reality as nothing more than a recreational activity. Instruction is given in all variations with public dollars in schools, along with contraceptives and abortion on demand, free from restrictions of parental oversight. And parenting itself on the subject of sex is more and more often summed up in the phrase, "well, they're going to do it anyway".

Children are increasingly asserting their independence through the courts, challenging dress codes, drug testing, locker searches and winning on alleged constitutional grounds. Considering the intellectual acrobatics necessary to find a "right to abortion" in the Constitution, a conclusion that ages of consent are arbitrary and that denying children the right to give consent constitutes a violation of the Equal Protection Clause should be easy; perhaps not today, or next year but a decade or two from now.

Noted champions of the "gay rights" movement have for years romanticized "man-boy" love in literature, like Paul Russell in his book "The Coming Storm," David Leavitt in "Martin Bauman; or, A Sure Thing," Agustin Gomez-Arcos in "The Carnivorous Lamb," and others. Such works are published by major companies and available at your local bookstore.

Much as the acceptance of homosexuality by the psychiatric profession and its removal from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) in 1973 was a watershed in the mainstreaming of this "lifestyle," so too will it be for those who wish to engage in sex with minors, euphemistically referred to as "intergenerational intimacy."

As far back as the mid-1980's experts like Dr. David Finkelhor had concluded that,

"[A] body of opinion and research has emerged in recent years which is trying hard to vindicate homosexual pedophilia."

In 1998 the American Psychological Association (APA) published the essay "A Meta-Analytic Examination of Assumed Properties of Child Sexual Abuse Using College Samples" which concluded that sexual contact between children and adults was not necessarily harmful, decried the "indiscriminate use" of terms like "child sexual abuse," "victim" and "perpetrator," and that "a willing encounter with positive reactions would be labeled simply adult-child sex." Mainstream commentators like Andrew Sullivan embraced the thinking and Judith Levine mirrored it in her 2002 publication of "Harmful to Minors: The Perils of Protecting Children from Sex," with a foreword by former Clinton Surgeon General Joycelyn M. Elders.

Mental health professionals attending the May 19, 2003 convention of the American Psychiatric Association in San Francisco proposed removing several categories of mental illness from the DSM, including exhibitionism, fetishism, transvestism, voyeurism and sadomasochism, as well as pedophilia. CNS News reported on the event and on Dr. Frederick Berlin, from the Sexual Disorders Clinic at the Johns Hopkins Hospital who argued that adults that feel a sexual attraction to children should not be made to feel shame and was quoted as saying,

"I have no problem accepting the fact that someone, through no fault of his own, is attracted to children..."

Linda Ames Nicolosi of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) protested and concluded, as any clear thinker should,

"If pedophilia is deemed normal by psychiatrists, then how can it remain illegal?...It will be a tough fight to prove in the courts that it should still be against the law."

With the ever-expanding, extra-constitutional right to privacy, the inventive application of the Equal Protection Clause, in conjunction with our moral devolution spearheaded by the psychiatric profession, adult-child sex may one day be legal. With the discovery by our learned Supreme Court Justices of the "right to abortion" and now the "right to sodomy," the day may not be far away when sex with children is considered "fundamental" and "constitutional." And when that day comes, ask we might, but it's doubtful that G-d will any longer bless America.


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To: Clint N. Suhks
LOL, me grow up. That's rich. You come on this thread calling names from the first post like a childish imbecile. The "liberalitarian" thing you keep spouting is 7th grade stuff as is your moronic logic.

You either are 16 yrs old or mentally challenged.

You haven't made one single rational point. The only thing anyone can take from your goofy posts is that you have a pathological hatred of Libertarians. Which is off topic and boring.

If you have children, I pity the country. Goof

161 posted on 07/08/2003 10:14:12 PM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Kevin Curry; Protagoras
Which question dopey?

Don’t you love the universal answer (ad hominem) from Liberaltarians-Liberals who can’t defend their position? Hypocrites Unite! Either remove the 10th through amendment or just SHUT UP!

162 posted on 07/08/2003 10:14:41 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: F_Cohen
Why not? The gubmint has non-consensual sex with me every payday.
163 posted on 07/08/2003 10:16:41 PM PDT by MistrX
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To: Clint N. Suhks
I love when goofy kids like you come on to a thread and start flinging mindless attacks from the first post and then cry about ad hominems. Anyone who has been reading this thread from the beginning knows what happened here.

Really c'mon now, fess up, your 16 and taking a break from music videos.

164 posted on 07/08/2003 10:19:20 PM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Protagoras
You haven't made one single rational point.

You haven't made ONE point in your notion that consent isn't the criterion for regualtion.

I knew you didn't have children and your logic comes from the liberal blather you learned in "college."

165 posted on 07/08/2003 10:21:03 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: RaceBannon
Do you honestly think they're even close to being the same thing? At worst sodomy is something that a lot of people find icky. Child molestation destroys lives.
166 posted on 07/08/2003 10:21:25 PM PDT by MattAMiller (Down with the Mullahs! Peace, freedom, and prosperity for Iran.)
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To: Protagoras
I believe Justice O'Connor and Justice Breyer have an opinion on all of those questions that will appeal to NAMBLA, GLAD, the ACLU, Janet Reno, Barney Frank, Hillary Clinton, and Howard Dean.
167 posted on 07/08/2003 10:21:45 PM PDT by autoresponder (. . . . SOME CAN*T HANDLE THE TRUTH . . . THE NYT ESPECIALLY!)
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To: Protagoras
Still can't defend your position, huh?
168 posted on 07/08/2003 10:22:39 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Protagoras
Would the answer embarrass you? Is that why you avoid giving one?

You're already an embarrassment. So bark freely.

169 posted on 07/08/2003 10:22:46 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Kevin Curry
Which question? Ask one and I'll answer.

You aren't an embarrassment, you're the pride and joy of the taliban kids.

170 posted on 07/08/2003 10:27:06 PM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Kevin Curry; Protagoras
You aren't an embarrassment, you're the pride and joy of the taliban kids.

Yee Haw! You got the Liberaltarian on the run…nothing but the usual name-calling to defend their indefeasible social experiment.

171 posted on 07/08/2003 10:31:23 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: autoresponder
Believe what you wish. I don't make judgements on concepts by seeing which perverts like it.

The point is simple if you know what it is. But if you get lost in hatred for fruitcakes you won't get it.

172 posted on 07/08/2003 10:32:20 PM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Hey kid,,you sure it's indefeasible ? What does that mean anyway? Is that like liberalitarian?
173 posted on 07/08/2003 10:38:43 PM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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To: redangus
If you read Justice Kennedy's majority opinion you will very seriously think they might do just that. He makes it very clear that history, religion, tradition or majority opinion are not grounds for prohibiting what most consider abnormal and immoral behavior.

I certainly don't base my opinion of pedophilia on history, tradition, religion, or majority opinion. I base my opinion on the harm it does.

Within 24hrs. of the Lawrence case a Kansas court struck down the decision against an 18 year old boy who had sex with a 15 year old boy.

They struck down the sentence, not the conviction, because the sentencing laws differentiated between homosexual and heterosexual conduct. If the 18-year-old had had sex with a 14-year-old girl he would have at most served 15 months rather than the three years he did serve, and certainly not the 16 years he was sentenced to.

174 posted on 07/08/2003 10:41:32 PM PDT by MattAMiller (Down with the Mullahs! Peace, freedom, and prosperity for Iran.)
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To: MattAMiller
They struck down the sentence, not the conviction, because the sentencing laws differentiated between homosexual and heterosexual conduct. If the 18-year-old had had sex with a 14-year-old girl he would have at most served 15 months rather than the three years he did serve, and certainly not the 16 years he was sentenced to.

And it's your opinion that there exists no rational basis for harsher laws for homosexual rape than for heterosexual rape?

Try this experiment:

o down to your local high school and ask the young fellows there which would be more traumatic for them, to be raped by a woman or a man. Then get back to me on rational basis.

175 posted on 07/08/2003 10:46:12 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Protagoras
Hey kid,,you sure it's indefeasible ?

OK punk, (ad hominem for your sake) Lawrence is practically “undone” in its statute, thanks for your Liberaltarian contribution.

176 posted on 07/08/2003 10:46:33 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Lorianne; RaceBannon
Since that time, AOC has been rising steadily. It is now 18 in many states.

A look at this chart shows 43 states which have an AOC UNDER 18 (at least with parental consent).

about.com age of consent

36 clearly under 18, 7 more that permit sex below age 18 with parental consent, and another 8 with an aoc ONLY 18 and above (DC is noted separately).

This chart could be out of date but I would expect it to date from at least the 1990s (when it would have been put online).

177 posted on 07/08/2003 10:52:45 PM PDT by weegee
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To: jwalsh07
Go down to your local high school and ask the young fellows there which would be more traumatic for them, to be raped by a woman or a man. Then get back to me on rational basis.

Would girls like the idea of being raped any better?

This case was not rape. It was consensual sex between two people where one was below the age of consent and one was an adult who less than four years older than the younger teen. This is covered by a specific law in Kansas and is considered less severe than a much older person having sex with a 14-year-old.

178 posted on 07/08/2003 10:57:13 PM PDT by MattAMiller (Down with the Mullahs! Peace, freedom, and prosperity for Iran.)
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To: buffyt
My 22 year old son said years ago that first they get us to accept homosexual sex, then necrophilia, beastiality, and pedophilia.

It started long before that. When they got us to accept pre-marital sex, cohabitation, adultery, abortion, etc, etc.

If you outlaw one, you might as well outlaw them all. Keep sex within the bounds of marriage, where it belongs.

179 posted on 07/08/2003 10:58:03 PM PDT by wai-ming
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To: Clint N. Suhks
So what does indefeasible mean?
180 posted on 07/08/2003 10:58:54 PM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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