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Maybe We Should Kill More of Them
boblonsberry.com ^ | 6/30/03 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 06/30/2003 6:14:58 AM PDT by shortstop

I think we need to kill more of them.

Iraqis. And the Arab interlopers. And the Iranian provocateurs.

We need to kill more of them.

Because, right now, we’re down on points. Since the end of major hostilities, we’ve been getting our butts kicked in minor hostilities.

Sixty Americans dead since we pulled down the statues and hardly a day passes that more names aren’t added to that tally.

And it’s got to stop.

It’s time to remember that we’re in a war and that in a war you’re supposed to kill them and not let them kill you. It seems like our commanders and statisticians have forgotten that. And they better remember.

Or we better be glad Muslims don’t celebrate Tet.

Because it’s about gotten to the point we should start calling these guys “Charlie” and bombing Cambodia. I’m too young to really remember Vietnam, but this sure smells a lot like what I’ve seen on the History Channel.

True fact: America wins wars and loses police actions.

So we should stop trying to be Officer Friendly.

We should pound these people into the dust. We should stop being polite and start being effective. If you’re going to put Americans in a war zone, you’ve got to let them fight. And it’s better to kill 1,000 Iraqis than it is to lose a single American.

Yes, I mean that.

And so should you.

Because every single American GI is precious and priceless. We will die for our country, but we won’t die for stupidity. And putting fresh American meat out there every day for these Jihad boys to gun down comes pretty close to stupidity.

Those men wear our uniform, but we don’t own them. We’re just borrowing them. From mother and fathers and wives and children. And we’ve got to give them back. The problem is right now we’re sending too many of them home in a box.

And nobody’s noticing or caring. It’s already slipped into the background of life. Another day, another one or two, another day, this time they got three. And there are broken hearts and lives back home that we politely ignore.

Well, that’s got to stop.

Because we must keep faith with the men and women in our armed forces. And that means we must do everything possible to keep them alive.

Everything.

If a neighborhood or city is too violent to be safely patrolled by a Humvee, then send in a Bradley. And if a Bradley isn’t safe, then send in an Abrams.

And if that doesn’t work, send in a B-52.

Every village that kills an American should be marked by a crater. A smoldering crater.

If crowds or protesters get belligerent, hose them down with tear gas. If crowds or protesters get violent, hose them down with an M-60.

That’s a machine gun, by the way. It makes bad people stop being bad. Typically they lie down and bloat in the hot summer sun.

The problem is that, amazingly, these people don’t respect or fear us. They have contempt for us. They think we are spineless. And I’m not sure they’re wrong.

Not our troops on the ground, but some of their commanders, and the muckity-mucks watching on TV back at HQ. I think they’re more worried about international PR than they are about keeping Americans alive.

Which is nuts and treasonous.

If an American is killed by a sniper, then immediately level the surrounding area. This isn’t an American crime scene, it is a foreign war zone. If you’re not sure which building he’s hiding in, level them all. You don’t have to read anybody their rights, you just have to kill them. If a grenade comes out of a crowd, kill the crowd.

If two of your soldiers “disappear,” you don’t take three suspects into custody for questioning – as we did at the end of last week. You shoot the three guys, tie a rope around their ankles and run their bodies up a flag pole. It sends a message.

And the message we better get is that we are dealing with a different and brutal culture which sees our sense of fair play and civilization as contemptible weaknesses inviting attack and scorn. Some Iraqis, undoubtedly, are wonderful people deserving of our best treatment. Some of them, however, along with the roving bands of Arab terrorists and Iranian agents, deserve a .45 right between the eyes. And we better give it to them.

Before they give it to us.

We must also remember that this is a society which for almost two generations has been ruled through terror and violence. They are used to a firm hand. We must use a firm hand against those who threaten or attack us, and the communities which protect them.

We need to get hard, or we’re going to get hurt. And that’s not acceptable.

The key to winning a war is to kill more of them than they kill of you.

And by that measure, we’ve had a very bad couple of months.

It’s time to take the gloves off. It’s time to let the fighters fight.


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The problem is that, amazingly, these people don’t respect or fear us. They have contempt for us. They think we are spineless. And I’m not sure they’re wrong.
1 posted on 06/30/2003 6:14:58 AM PDT by shortstop
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To: shortstop
Have you been there and done that or just frustrated?I know I wouldn't be making such a harsh judgement.
2 posted on 06/30/2003 6:18:51 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: shortstop
This is what I've been saying for weeks now. We are just being too friendly. Get the job done. We can't even begin to rebuild anything until these constant hostilities end. Geesh. Give our guys some leeway to take matters into their own hands.
3 posted on 06/30/2003 6:23:02 AM PDT by eyespysomething (Breaking down the stereotypes of soccer moms everyday!)
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To: shortstop
The problem is that, amazingly, these people don?t respect or fear us. They have contempt for us. They think we are spineless.

Victor Davis Hanson made the point, shortly after we took Baghdad, that we might have a problem because the campaign had been too successful. He said Western armies typically pacify countries they conquer by the sheer brutality of their style of war. The conquered country has no doubt they are utterly defeated.

But this war was so quick and almost painless to the Iraqis that they don't have that same sense of suffering and defeat, like the Japanese and Germans did post WW II.

4 posted on 06/30/2003 6:24:32 AM PDT by Snuffington
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To: MEG33
Well, it might feel good to say such things, but in the end, war is more complex than just killing people.
5 posted on 06/30/2003 6:26:10 AM PDT by CalvaryJohn
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To: shortstop
We need to find and kill every Ba'ath party member - not necessarily the guy who signed up because they told him he'd lose his job working for the Bureau of Public Works unless he joined: I'm talking about the guys whose full-time job was being a Ba'ath Party functionary.

Kill all of those guys by firing squad in the streets.

6 posted on 06/30/2003 6:28:16 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: shortstop
Yes, that strategy is working so well for the Russians in Chechnya </sarcasm>

It's not very Sun Tzu either.
7 posted on 06/30/2003 6:28:49 AM PDT by MalcolmS (Do Not Remove This Tagline Under Penalty Of Law!)
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To: Snuffington
He may have a point. In WW II, we killed off the best part of several generations of Japanese and Germans. There were no young men left to demonstate in the street. We also totally disarmed the Japanese.
8 posted on 06/30/2003 6:30:36 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: wideawake
Could we have a trial or just execute them if suspected?
9 posted on 06/30/2003 6:31:23 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: MEG33
If we take the position - legitimately, given the events of recent weeks - that the Ba'ath Party are currently engaged in guerrilla war with the US then we should kill them wherever found.

They are illegal, out-of-uniform comabatants committing war crimes in violation of the Geneva Convention.

10 posted on 06/30/2003 6:34:40 AM PDT by wideawake (God bless our brave soldiers and their Commander in Chief)
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To: shortstop
DAMN right!
11 posted on 06/30/2003 6:34:49 AM PDT by boris
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To: shortstop
As brutal as this may sound...we should have carpet bombed Baghdad and Tikrit. These precision munitions are great, but the honestly leave the populace without a feeling of what war is like. The Japanese haven't been a problem in over 50 years...they knew the horror of war. Without the cold brutal reality of war, we will have difficulties controlling the hardliners.
12 posted on 06/30/2003 6:37:20 AM PDT by milan
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To: CalvaryJohn
No, it's not. We have made it more complex. That is the problem. If a terrorist knew that we would kill his family and extended family if he hit us, you don't think that would have an effect on terrorism? We only hit military targets. I say hit the hometowns of the Baath party leaders. Carpet bomb them. See how willing they are to fight after we annihilate their families.
14 posted on 06/30/2003 6:39:51 AM PDT by milan
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To: THE POLELOCK
I reject that It would make us like them.
15 posted on 06/30/2003 6:40:08 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: shortstop
The PC approach is frustrating, but this reads a little hysterical. The casualty numbers don't approach those of Vietnam.

You can't go wobbly after a few months.

Stay the course; watch what happens in Iran (and subsequently Iraq); let the Muslim fanatic world concentrate on something other than the U.S. mainland.
16 posted on 06/30/2003 6:41:10 AM PDT by hemogoblin (Fight the Culture War; revive conservative fiction :::: www.pubversive.com)
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To: THE POLELOCK
...so said Hitler...
17 posted on 06/30/2003 6:41:26 AM PDT by The Louiswu (Good morning America)
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To: THE POLELOCK
Your CAPS are locked.
18 posted on 06/30/2003 6:41:38 AM PDT by MEG33
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To: CalvaryJohn
Very well put.
19 posted on 06/30/2003 6:42:12 AM PDT by The Louiswu (Good morning America)
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To: MEG33
It wouldn't make us like them...you are right. This is survival. It is only a matter of time before we suffer another terrorist attack. We have to make absolutely certain that the terrorist fears us...they do not right now. We are too concerned with collateral damage etc. This mentality will lead to more loss of American life.
20 posted on 06/30/2003 6:42:26 AM PDT by milan
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