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To: shortstop
The problem is that, amazingly, these people don?t respect or fear us. They have contempt for us. They think we are spineless.

Victor Davis Hanson made the point, shortly after we took Baghdad, that we might have a problem because the campaign had been too successful. He said Western armies typically pacify countries they conquer by the sheer brutality of their style of war. The conquered country has no doubt they are utterly defeated.

But this war was so quick and almost painless to the Iraqis that they don't have that same sense of suffering and defeat, like the Japanese and Germans did post WW II.

4 posted on 06/30/2003 6:24:32 AM PDT by Snuffington
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To: Snuffington
He may have a point. In WW II, we killed off the best part of several generations of Japanese and Germans. There were no young men left to demonstate in the street. We also totally disarmed the Japanese.
8 posted on 06/30/2003 6:30:36 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Snuffington
But this war was so quick and almost painless to the Iraqis that they don't have that same sense of suffering and defeat, like the Japanese and Germans did post WW II.

Agree. In wars past, it was so horrible that the conquered people didn't want a repeat, so they forced change when the shooting stopped. In today's PC wars, we've removed that element. With the exception of a precious few, it's as if a war didn't even take place. They just looked up one day and there we were, policing their streets.

We also need to understand that the vast majority of people there hate our guts, far worse than they hated even Saddam. This was always the glaring flaw in the "liberation of Iraq" silliness. Yes, a small percentage will be glad, those who suffered directly at the hands of Saddam and his minions. But if a genuine, free election were held today, I'll bet a buck to a donut that they'd re-elect him in landslide if he were on the ballot.

MM

52 posted on 06/30/2003 7:33:08 AM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Snuffington
agreed, it's like one week we were threatening them and Saddam was in power, next week we are in Baghdad and no Saddam. Other than a lot of rubble, they have no sense of truly being defeated.
97 posted on 06/30/2003 11:15:19 AM PDT by af_vet_rr
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