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It’s over, it’s over: how Saddam told his sons the war was lost
The Sunday Times (U.K.) ^ | 06/29/03 | Jon Swain

Posted on 06/28/2003 5:41:15 PM PDT by Pokey78

A SENIOR aide to Saddam Hussein has described the dramatic moment when the dictator warned his sons they must accept defeat and go their separate ways.

“It’s over. It’s over,” he is said to have told Uday and Qusay Hussein as they drove through the streets of Baghdad on April 11, two days after the city was captured by American forces. According to the aide, Saddam’s younger son, Qusay, sobbed and pleaded to be allowed to go into hiding with his father. But Saddam replied: “Splitting up gives us a better chance of survival.”

The graphic description came last week from one of Saddam’s closest companions, Sayf al-Din Fulayyih Hassan Taha al-Rawi, the chief of staff of the Republican Guard.

Hassan is No 12 on America’s list of the 55 most wanted Iraqis. The Sunday Times has established that he was hiding last week in a small town in the desert hundreds of miles from Baghdad after faking his death and holding a mock funeral to throw his pursuers off his track. His story was relayed to us through reliable intermediaries.

As the war ended, Hassan spread a rumour that he had been killed in the attack on Baghdad airport. Only close relatives knew he was alive.

Another passenger in Saddam’s car on April 11 was Abid Hamid Mahmud al-Tikriti, Saddam’s presidential secretary and senior bodyguard — number four on the list. The Americans captured him two weeks ago, a coup they hope will lead them to the Iraqi leader. According to Hassan, Mahmud also became tearful in the car but Saddam remained resolutely calm. Hassan says he has had no contact with any of them since but he believes Saddam has stayed on in Iraq.

He also disclosed that Saddam, Qusay and Uday had a narrow escape when they gathered secretly at Hassan’s house in Mansour, a wealthy residential district of Baghdad on April 7 as the war reached its climax. Ten minutes after the meeting broke up and Saddam left, the Americans dropped four powerful bombs onto a block of neighbours’ houses. They said it was an attempt to kill Saddam following intelligence that he was meeting inside. The bombs made a crater 50ft deep and demolished several houses, killing 14 people. Hassan’s house was undamaged, however.

Interrogation of Mahmud has convinced the Americans that they have so far failed to target Saddam successfully. Donald Rumsfeld, the US defence secretary, said after a reported airstrike on a bunker containing Saddam on March 20, the opening night of the war: “There’s no question but that the strike on that leadership headquarters was successful. We have photographs of what took place. The question is what was in there?” But Colonel Tim Madere, the American officer in charge of inspecting key sites in Baghdad, has confirmed that no trace of a bunker or bodies has been found.

The Americans blame Saddam loyalists for a growing resistance to their military occupation and believe it will diminish as soon as he is captured or killed. Thousands of special forces have been thrown into the search and there have been several raids on sites where intelligence indicated Saddam might be hiding, but to no avail.

Last week Hassan said: “He has spent his life hiding from his enemies. He is very wily, and look — they haven’t yet been able to catch even me.”


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: baghdadbob; dayisduinpiglatin; iraq; iraqaftermath; iraqifreedom; saddam; saddamdeathwatch; saddamhussein; topplesaddam; uday
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1 posted on 06/28/2003 5:41:15 PM PDT by Pokey78
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Last week Hassan said: "He has spent his life hiding from his enemies. He is very wily, and look - they haven't yet been able to catch even me."

Hassan, why not just paint a bullseye on your chest?

2 posted on 06/28/2003 5:46:20 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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...Sayf al-Din Fulayyih Hassan Taha al-Rawi, the chief of staff of the Republican Guard.

You should have seen his name before they shortened it

3 posted on 06/28/2003 5:49:43 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: Pokey78
According to the aide, Saddam’s younger son, Qusay, sobbed and pleaded to be allowed to go into hiding with his father. But Saddam replied: “Splitting up gives us a better chance of survival.”

Sobbed and pleaded? This is even worse than anything Bahgdad Bob could come up with. Sobbed and pleaded; isn't that what Qusay's victims did before they died?

4 posted on 06/28/2003 5:52:15 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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"Sobbed and pleaded?"

Like Saddam's father did right before Saddam shot him in the head.

5 posted on 06/28/2003 5:56:31 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: Pokey78
“It’s over. It’s over”
It will be, if we can actually secure the oil production/distribution system--
and if we can establish a de-Baathified police and government.

Til then, "it's over" is disinformation.

It ain't over, til it's over.


6 posted on 06/28/2003 5:57:06 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: DannyTN
>>Like Saddam's father did right before Saddam shot him in the head.<<

I want to die quietly in my sleep like my grandfather and not yelling and screaming like the people in his car.
7 posted on 06/28/2003 5:59:46 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (Peace through Strength)
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Splitting up

Splitting up is what I want to see happen to them ..... a little piece here, a little piece there ..... but with enough intact to provide for positive identification.

8 posted on 06/28/2003 6:13:47 PM PDT by kayak (Do not bet against the success of freedom. - GWB 5/9/03)
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To: Pokey78
A story that Saddam has survived, passed through reliable intermediaries from a guy thought dead but now rumored to have survived.

Maybe.
9 posted on 06/28/2003 6:18:03 PM PDT by VadeRetro
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To: Rennes Templar
"...Sayf al-Din Fulayyih Hassan Taha al-Rawi, the chief of staff of the Republican Guard.

You should have seen his name before they shortened it"


Silly, that's his nickname!
10 posted on 06/28/2003 6:23:11 PM PDT by whereasandsoforth
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To: Rennes Templar
Billy-Bob Ali Akbar
11 posted on 06/28/2003 6:38:12 PM PDT by billhilly
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To: Pokey78
Saddam’s younger son, Qusay, sobbed and pleaded to be allowed to go into hiding with his father. But Saddam replied: “Splitting up gives us a better chance of survival.”

It's always tough when you have to kick the cubs out of the den.

12 posted on 06/28/2003 7:12:17 PM PDT by TheErnFormerlyKnownAsBig (Soccer Mom's flee the Rats for Bush in his flight suit: I call this the Moisture Factor. MF high!)
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To: Thud
FYI
13 posted on 06/28/2003 7:28:18 PM PDT by Dark Wing
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To: Pokey78
Find him and kill him - Then its over. P.S. kill Arafat too, then a lot of it will be over.
14 posted on 06/28/2003 7:47:44 PM PDT by Dale 1
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To: Pokey78
It ain't over yet, you evil f***s. Just wait until you turn the wrong corner... and then wait until you come up for Judgment Day.
15 posted on 06/28/2003 7:52:55 PM PDT by Teacher317
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<< Sobbed and pleaded? This is even worse than anything Bahgdad Bob could come up with. Sobbed and pleaded; isn't that what Qusay's victims did before they died? >>

And as did Qusay's brothers in law as Qusay and his monstrous brother tortured them to death.
17 posted on 06/28/2003 11:45:45 PM PDT by Brian Allen ( Rebellion to tyrants is obedience to God - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: SkyPilot
Uday is DU in pig latin...


"Believe it... or not!"

18 posted on 06/29/2003 12:02:39 AM PDT by weegee
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To: Dale 1
Find him and kill him - Then its over. P.S. kill Arafat too, then a lot of it will be over.

What, you think that when Saddam and Arafat are dead that we're done...over...safe? There will just be another group of trash ready to take their place.

We need to be watching the Paki's. They're watching Afganastan, Iraq and probably Iran all have new forms of goverment or well on their way to changing ala Iran. They're next on the list and they have nukes...lets hope they dont flex their mussle as a way of showing the Americans not to mess with them as well.

Also North Korea will get a little tenser as well.

19 posted on 06/29/2003 12:28:17 AM PDT by stuck_in_new_orleans
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. . . when the dictator warned his sons they must accept defeat . . .

Doesn't sound like Saddam at all. Luckily, I got this here grain of salt . . .

20 posted on 06/29/2003 12:35:49 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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