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Iranians want the USA to invade, why they dont invade?

Posted on 06/28/2003 1:19:00 AM PDT by Khashayar

There is a big question while the protests and opposes rised in Iran last week, Why the USA which is next to Iranian borders, dont come in to support or in other words why we Iranians do not see any effective behavior from the US officials. Me, as a citizen of any other country , do not like to see my country to be invaded or collapsed but the real fact in Iran is that the mullahs will not go or over thrown with out any military intervention or support from a powerful source. This is what you can hear in Iran now, I think those men in the Pentagon or the white house should take a decision fast. Are they taking care of the fate of the Iranians? So They have to be more responsible as well. We do not need just words, we need action. The great help America can give us now is to support us more and more not just by words but by actions. Please do something!


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: iran; middleeast; usa
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1 posted on 06/28/2003 1:19:01 AM PDT by Khashayar
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To: Khashayar
Can't. With the US in Afghanistan *AND* Iraq the US is already over-extended on the ground troops and with the world bitching and moaning about our going into Iraq over their objections we're also over-extended on political capital.

If Iran had an organized opposition like the afghanistan warlords we could probably do a covert ops support but although the students are pushing for change they're not organized enough or numerous enough or armed enough to do anything substantial enough for the US to support.

The US may bomb the iranian nuclear facilities but until the situation in Iraq is handed back over to an Iraqi government, I just don't see the US having the resources to force a change in Iran without it being a horrendous disaster both for the Iranian's and the US.
2 posted on 06/28/2003 1:24:56 AM PDT by pcx99
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To: Khashayar
Why? We did you a BIG favor in 1953. Look how you repaid us.
3 posted on 06/28/2003 1:27:06 AM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: LibWhacker; pcx99
Ah, I think It was a coup against the national government of PM mosadegh, That is a thing that Iranians could not understand however there was a big reason for that which we all know.
Regarding the invasion on Iran, I did mean a better help and support.
We hope you even listen to us and force your politicians to do some thing for us!
That can be a great help.
4 posted on 06/28/2003 1:59:51 AM PDT by Khashayar
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To: Khashayar; Travis McGee; Howlin; JohnHuang2; Cincinatus' Wife
Hello, Khashayer...

The Iranian people have the ability within them, and the means to overcome and take control of their country again. But it will take immense courage from all freedom-loving Iranians to overcome the fear instilled by the few. The people will have to focus, first on a campaign to turn world opinion in their favor. They must make NOISE on the net and with any publications they can put out, on radio if they can get ahold of the means to broadcast; they must be as loud as possible, using the help of Iranians living in the west and independently. You will need to organize and help one another to insure that gangster tactics will no longer be effective, to push where the regime is weakest and so, encourage more Iranians to join. To encourage more people, you have to maintain the moral high ground and that takes good PR prople to explain your case so no one misunderstands your intention. Support those among you who have courage. Don't ever leave them out to dry without coming to their aid; don't let those with courage go up against anyone alone. Just a show of courage will draw people to you. Maintain that courage no matter what happens, and your numbers will grow.

We're already hearing about things going on in Iran now- that's much better than it was just a year ago when so little was getting out, and a few years before when there was almost no mention of Iran at all. So something is working.

The Iranian people DO have the means to win this for themselves. They really do. Of all the nations in the region there are none more suited culturally and educationally to winning their own freedom than Persians. Others on the thread have pointed out that in Iraq and in Afghanistan we had Iraqis and Afghans who had already organized themselves as opposition to their government. Because they were orgasnized, our special forces were able to make contact with them and help train them. Iranians will have to get together to make something comparable, but they have to maintain the moral high ground and police themselves so that it will be difficult for their own government to defame them as terrorists, and difficult for people to justify denying them help.

But let me assure you that you haven't been as alone as you think. We have been in the region for a while, even in Iran. No doubt that there are more people than ever working to help Iran from the outside, many Iranian expatriates who dream of a free Iran for their relatives there. The only difference is that now, we have leadership which believes in following through. Listen to the radio now; the tenacity of the broadcasts will be a good indicator of whether or not we are ready to help.

Ultimately, I think we will have to address the mullah's use of terrorism, because if we don't the Iraqis will not be able to get their government up and running. The current leadership in Iran will try to destabilize it.

5 posted on 06/28/2003 2:05:02 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Miss Marple; blam; Cindy
fyi
6 posted on 06/28/2003 2:09:00 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Khashayar
Tell us- and spread it all over the net- about everything that is going on in Iran. We've been reading just about every scrap of news we can get and would welcome hearing more.
7 posted on 06/28/2003 2:12:21 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Common Tator; Southack
fyi
8 posted on 06/28/2003 2:15:28 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: piasa; RaceBannon; pcx99
I agree with you and one extra item must be added.
Iranians do not have a leader.
The son of the Late Shah of Iran seems to be reluctant of gaining control of the mass protests, however he is popular here but he has not done any thing useful to lead the protests. This is what I have mentioned, DO NOT TALK, DO SOMETHING!
There is an important letter from 106 representatives of Students to Mr. Khatami, They said that these are the last peaceful words of students. Resign and let us be clear with the rest of mullahs.
We should wait till 9th of July.
That is the point of no return.
9 posted on 06/28/2003 2:19:29 AM PDT by Khashayar
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To: piasa
You will need to organize and help one another to insure that gangster tactics will no longer be effective, to push where the regime is weakest and so, encourage more Iranians to join.

And don't forget: attach the thugs to trees whenever you can!

10 posted on 06/28/2003 2:23:07 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: Khashayar
Sorry. We are definitely with you in spirit as we say, but we don't have the money or the troops to take on Iran right now. Our economy was severely damaged by the September 11 attacks on our soil in 2001, which was followed by an anthrax attack on our postal mail system. We are just beginning to recover from these blows, but our national budget is running a deficit now and many of our States are also hugely in debt from spending on homeland security expenses, as well as less taxes collected due to the downturn of the economy. Our armed forces were cut under our last President to half of what they used to have when President Reagan was in office. Right now we just can't handle more wars where we try to spare the civilian population.

We could afford to lob a few nukes your way, but I hope you agree that is a terrible idea.

Iran got themselves into this mess by booting out the Shah and holding our embassy staff hostage for over a year back in 1979. I remember activist women in Iran proudly wearing veils before the Revolution established the theocracy to show anti-U.S. and anti-Shah sentiment, saying they were getting in touch with their culture. These women betrayed their children's future in my opinion.

Iran would be an insane place for us to invade. We had a lot of people in Iraq who hated Saddam and were happy to stand back and let us get rid of him and the Ba'athist party murderers. Yet, still, one of our soldiers a day or more is being killed and more wounded, some grievously. In Iran, a lot more of the population would fight us tooth and nail. It would be very bloody and turn into a ghastly guerrila war, much worse than we are facing now in Iraq.

You are going to have to organize more into secret cells and develop better plans for retaking your country. And also, you need to be patient, as every year more children who think like you do grow into adulthood and increase your numbers and power.

11 posted on 06/28/2003 2:24:42 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: patriciaruth
We are definitely with you in spirit as we say, but we don't have the money or the troops to take on Iran right now.

Also the USA won't invade unless it believes the government poses a significant terrorist threat to our country that has to be put down. We believed that about Saddam in Iraq. We don't believe that about the mullahs in Iran, at least not yet.

12 posted on 06/28/2003 2:29:43 AM PDT by drlevy88
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To: piasa
IRAN-DANESHJOO.org - MOVEMENT OF IRANIAN STUDENTS (Check This Site Frequently to Read the Updates Regarding the Student Movement in Iran.)

IRAN PRESS SERVICE

13 posted on 06/28/2003 2:30:28 AM PDT by Cindy
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To: Khashayar; piasa
At this stage, the Iranian freedom fighters above all need GUNS!

Students hiding in rooms cannot resist armed gangs of thugs. But thugs will not be able to do their street terror if they are getting SHOT.

The best way to accomplish this would be for the CIA to smuggle in 100s, then 1000s of pistols and rifles exactly like the ones used by Iranian Police and military forces.

This way, no tie to America can be proven, the weapons will be assumed to have been "liberated" in street fighting.

14 posted on 06/28/2003 2:34:02 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
At this stage, the Iranian freedom fighters above all need GUNS!

Yes they do! Their freedom will most likely not come as the result of demonstrations. It will have to be fought for.
15 posted on 06/28/2003 2:41:18 AM PDT by pt17
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To: Khashayar
No way. Let them have their own revolution, build their own democracy and fix their own mess. I'm not paying out billions in cash to fix another ME country when we're not even beginning to begin to fix the first one we took over.
16 posted on 06/28/2003 2:42:18 AM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: Travis McGee
I've always been very fond of the idea of delivering arms to the willing; that way they win their freedom- people who earn it will more aggressively work to keep it for years to come.

Even without imported arms, it should be possible to obtain a few weapons to get started, and use those elsewhere to obtain more. With Iraq on the west and Afghanistan on the east, and all the weapons floating around there, you would think that in Iran, getting ahold of weapons wouldn't be too difficult. Finding some place to practice with them might be another matter...

There certainly has been a lot of smuggling over water between Iraq and Iran. It isn't all dried dates.

Like he said though- people have to take charge.

17 posted on 06/28/2003 2:57:45 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Travis McGee
This sends chills down my spine. These are the same desperate pleas that came out of Hungary in 1956.
18 posted on 06/28/2003 3:05:26 AM PDT by MARTIAL MONK
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To: MARTIAL MONK
Yeah.

If July 9 is the day, I hope everyone is paying attantion to what happened in Venezuela. They held their demonstrations and even ousted Chavez, but then backed down. If you're not willing to go all the way, you're going to be in trouble.

19 posted on 06/28/2003 3:06:30 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: Cindy
Yeah, they need guns. They're not going to intimidate regime thugs swinging "Long Knives, Clubs and Chains " with only "regularly scheduled" protests. IMHO, it's too predictable, and the thugs have the high ground because they can mentally prepare themselves in advance.

Anyone know where the thugs and thug's bosses live?

Found this on your link:

SMCCDI (Information Service)

June 16, 2003

Sporadic clashes are rocking at this time, (20:45 local time), several areas of the Iranian capital.

These clashes are in the Amir-Abad, Fatemi, Keshavarz and N. Shariati and Gohardasht (in the Karaj suburb) areas as groups of young intending to form their nightly gatherings are attacked by the regime's militiamen.

Again and again, Long Knives, Clubs and Chains are used against these braves.

Traffic jams are again starting to form as more residents are trying to access these nightly areas of protest despite the heavy presence and control of the regime forces.

20 posted on 06/28/2003 3:15:35 AM PDT by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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