Homosexuals Push for Same-Sex Marriage After Sodomy Ruling

CNSNews.com ^ | 6/27/03 | Robert B. Bluey

[Clint N. Suhks]

An 8 year old, which was the subject of discussion when you chose to enter this debate, is by all objective or rational measures unable to effectively deny sexual consent (regardless of what common law says).

Not if the child can pass an IQ test with 70-75 or above.

[elfman2]

"It is a fact that many young children can achieve this score on an adult IQ test and therefor should qualify as having the ability to consent to sex. It’s only through local legislature and arbitrary law that children can’t consent and it’s there that the slippery slope begins."

Experience, maturity, social roles of authority figures as well as IQ play a role in the ability to consent to sex. A 75 IQ alone does not automatically give an 8 year old the ability to effectively consent. There are of course exceptions, but generally, 8 year olds would be raped and have their constitutionally protected liberties violated by sex.

[dennisw]

It is only my belief that my Creator wishes me to be rightious that keeps me from doing evil.

I'll file that one under "Fear of the L_rd is the beginning of wisdom". Which actually means, you become wise when you learn it's dumb to violate G_d's laws.

[Clint N. Suhks]

Experience, maturity, social roles of authority figures as well as IQ play a role in the ability to consent to sex.

Not really, I can demonstrate that an emaciated Downs syndrome adult has less experience, maturity, social roles than some 8 year olds in the world and some supposed “grown-ups” I know as well.

A 75 IQ alone does not automatically give an 8 year old the ability to effectively consent.

If it works for an adult, why should it bedifferent than for a child?

You understand I’m not advocating this other than demonstrating that substantive due process clause is a lame excuse for anti-sodomy laws because you can apply the same to bestiality, incest and child sex laws as well. An 8 year old is an extreme example but the closer that age come to the AOC law the more realistic the slippery slope becomes.

[Kevin Curry]

Aids when transmitted that way, happens between consenting adults.

I guess it's time to strike the laws that outlaw duelting, too, then.

Idiot.

[ladyinred]

Harlow said Scalia was out of touch with most Americans.

Yet another leftist wishful thinking lie! Survey's say the opposite, and I am sure she knows it! I still can't understand how the leftist's can celebrate a decision from such an extreme hate filled Supreme Court! They hated the Justices just a short time ago.

[ladyinred]

I wonder if you have read the points of the Communist manifesto. It appears they are reaching all of their goals. Destroying what we view of family is pretty well done now. They seem to have taken over while we were sleeping, well, at least some of us were.

[elfman2]

"Not really, I can demonstrate that an emaciated Downs syndrome adult has less experience, maturity, social roles than some 8 year olds in the world and some supposed “grown-ups” I know as well. "

I think we're misconnecting. I said Experience, maturity, social roles of authority figures as well as IQ play a role in the ability to consent, and you disagreed by saying that an adult with a low IQ (and likely challenged in many of the other ways) has less an ability than some 8 year olds. I don't see the disagreement.

"If it works for an adult, why should it be different than for a child? "

It shouldn't, other than age being easier to measure. I guess if a state chose to write a statute saying that severely mentally disabled people can consent to sex, the supremes could override as well, but I doubt that it would light up their radar in the same way due to the ubiquity of 8 year olds and our instinct to protect them.

[ladyinred]

There is no major world religion that condones the perversion of homosex.

Well, maybe the religion of socialism does eh? And it isn't just democrats is it?

[The Old Hoosier]

Why else do you think they gave George Pataki such high marks for fiscal conservatism, when in fact he's nearly bankrupted NY state? It's because he signed their special rights bill.

[First Amendment]

You seem to be of the school that we can't know who or what God is.

Atheism is the perfect example of hypocrisy. The atheist sits at the top of a great mountain, from which he can view the entire universe and all that is beyond it, the past, present and future, and, seeing all, declares, "There is no God!". In other words, he is saying that HE is God, because Who else can know everything? At least someone who says "I don't know if God exists or not" is honest.

Someone who says "no one can know" is an an atheist with a small mask. Just because one person doesn't know doesn't mean no one knows. Very arrogant. "If I don't know, (and I'm the smartest person ever to exist) no one can know."

[First Amendment]

Personally, I think the fixation some self-styled Christians have with other people's sexual habits is unwholesome. We should pass a statute to keep them away from the children.

Ah, Trace - showed up from DU again! Nice to see you promoting deviancy as usual.

Actually, those who exhibit an unhealthy obsession with people who know homosexuality to be unnatural and unhealthy need psychological treatment. They (you) should also ask themselves why they are so upset just because someone disagrees with them. Would you prefer Thought Police? Maybe those of us who don't agree with homosexuals and their followers should be incarcerated - I mean treated - in mental hospitals, just like they did with dissenters in the Soviet Union?

[First Amendment]

"1. How do you know that 90% of the posters and "99%" of the emotion (is it wrong to feel strongly about someting?) comes from so-called fundamentalist Christians? 2.Is it wrong to be religious? Does this disqualify one from a debate? 3.And how do you know there aren't health care workers among them? "

>1)Observation and no. 2) No

Bogus, my friend! Your observation is actually your own person anti-religion bias showing. Second, if you say being religious doesn't disqualify, why do you bring up a bogus percentage of people being "fundamentalist" Christians in the first place?

[expatguy]

"After reading some posts on this board it seems as though some of you are scared of gays. My opinion follows. Who cares if they marry? Who cares if they have sex? I've never befriended a gay person and I probably never will. I don't think it has anything to do with subconcious bigotry...I just don't have anything in common with them. How does it affect you if a gay person gets married?"

You seem to be under the impression that a decline in morality has no detrimental affect on society as a whole.

Perhaps you would like to explain yourself. Im sure all of us here would like to hear you explain how a decline in morality better serves a civilized society.

[RobbyS]

Also, the assumption is that an amoral society is possible. Every society expects its members to consent to standards of right conduct. The gays want to force us to abandon traditional Christian standards of sexuality morality and adopt their modern ones.

[irish_links]

Gee. All the while I thought we were discussing the Constitutional merits of the majority opinion in Lawrence v. Texas. But as it turns out, we were really discussing your opinion of the age at which it is self-evident (and therefore constitutionally determined) that a child can't give consent to sexual relations. I apologize.

[notyourregularhandle]

ARE WE READY FOR GAY AFFIRMATIVE ACTION

No! Definately not, i've never supported ANY kind of 'affirmative' action... the idea discriminates and is wrong...if we are headed in that direction then God help us.

[notyourregularhandle]

I appreciate your reply. It did in fact shed some light on a few angles regarding homosexuality...however, there will always be people like pram and notyourregularhandle...and if my kids get brain washed in the schools, i trust they will be able to figure it out on their own ... (it, meaning moral absolutes) I grew up attending public schools and I had to listen to a lot of BS, but I saw through the crap. (Thanks Dad...)

[notyourregularhandle]

Sure, i'm a religious person... I also believe in free will...freedom of choice, etc. If they want to get married let them get married....

[notyourregularhandle]

What does marriage mean to you? That, in my opinion, is the only thing that matters...