Same-sex marriage issue fuels debate in NJ

North Jersey Media Group ^ | 06.25.03

[NYer]

I don't know if was ever posted on FR, but it's still timely for those interested in the subject. Gay Priests and Gay Marriage.

Wow! It needs posting here. Will you do us the honors, Maryz?

[firewalk]

Seven gay and lesbian couples are waiting to know if they can continue their lawsuit that seeks to broaden the state's definition of marriage. On Friday, a judge may give her opinion

I think they'll be allowed to continue on with their lawsuit. Even if they can't, I believe that there will be same sex marriage here in NJ. (it'll be soon too)

[MattinNJ]

I'm glad you didn't say Colin...

Heaven forbid. While I think he is a fine man, I would never want him as POTUS. FWIW, I think there are many traitors in the State Department.

[maryz]

Sure thing! FR thread on Stanley Kurtz's "Gay Priests and Gay Marriage" posted here.

[Aquinasfan]

By now homosexual 'marriage' is accepted as a mainstream alternative. But what about those people who live in a threesome? Why shouldn't they get 'married'?

Good question. I'm sure we will be looking at this ten or twenty years down the road if homosexual marriage is legalized in the US in the near future. The situation seems to be analogous to the laws regarding abortion during the mid '60s, with several states considering the legalization of abortion.

It's a sobering thought, especially considering the fate of Sodom and Gomorrah.

[Coleus]

I think they'll be allowed to continue on with their lawsuit. Even if they can't, I believe that there will be same sex marriage here in NJ. (it'll be soon too)>>

And you can bet with our liberal supreme court it will be.

[Travis McGee]

Exactly correct. How can anyone deny three guys or gals from getting married now?

What's so special about the number 2, if marriage doesn't mean one man and one woman?

And how can they deny the wish of a 40 year old man to marry his 18 year old "consenting" daughter (or son)?

Certainly the biological arguement can't hold up. What if he has a vasectomy?

Why can't daddy marry ALL of his "consenting" sons and daughters as they hit 18?

Can anyone provide an arguement why not?

[ppaul]

Can anyone provide an argument why not?

[Travis McGee]

Our society continues its plunge into the cess-pit.

[Van Jenerette]

the FOUNDING FATHERS UNLEASHED

WARNING...

"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion...Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams, October 11, 1798

WARNING...

"Have you ever found in history, one single example of a Nation thoroughly corrupted that was afterwards restored to virtue?... And without virtue, there can be no political liberty....Will you tell me how to prevent riches from becoming the effects of temperance and industry? Will you tell me how to prevent luxury from producing effeminacy, intoxication, extravagance, vice and folly?..." - John Adams, in a letter to Thomas Jefferson

The entire argument about sexual behavior is so simple it can be reduced to the following: Should there be any social rules about what sexual activity a human being engages in?

If the answer is no then everyone should just shut up...hetero is okay, cousins are okay, polygamy is okay, bi is okay; gay is okay, 13-year olds are okay, and one or one-hundred-at-a-time are okay, et. al.

However, if a society decides that certain rules about who does whom when and where is functional and perhaps even necessary, all that is left is to decide is WHAT are the rules of sexual behavior and WHO shall make them...simple.

Those who follow the 'rules' are then NORMAL and all the rest are PERVERTS or DEVIANTS... so very, very simple...you decide.

Van & Katherine Jenerette

www.jenerette.com

[Chilijr]

"So let New Jersey be the San Fransicko of the East Coast. Who cares?"

I will get back to you on this one, too worked up to respond right now, your comment was one of the most offensive I've read in a while..

[NYer]

$l «G's so special about the number 2

...... or the number 1, for that matter. A while back, I read about a woman who married her TV!

It is a very slippery slope ... after homosexual marriage is acceptable then someone will seek another form of deviancy - bestiality. Why shouldn't they be allowed to marry their dog or horse or cow or chicken? It's a downward spiral.

[Uncle Miltie]

"On Friday, a judge may give her opinion."

All hail the Judges! Bow before your new masters!

[Travis McGee]

"If I can buy a sheep to kill and eat it, why can't I do anything else I want to it?"

that's next.

[ISawIt]

Morals change?

It was once immoral to assist in the "theft" of a slave
by aiding their escape. This was a felony in all
colonies at the time Adams wrote those words.

It's not immoral now. Now we expend billions of dollars
in time, equipment, and blood to teach this lesson
abroad, in lands 90% of the people of this country
never heard of and don't care about.

Yes, Virginia, morals change.

If "Bob" wants to bugger "Alice" or "Charlie", (or
"Alice", THEN "Charlie", all in the course of 10 minutes)
well, that's their business.

If the Founding Fathers didn't anticipate morality
changing, they would not have been so circumspect in their
language:

"Article XXIX:
Under no circumstances will a person cause to enter his
sex (or other object) into the anus of another person,
upon penalty as such that the States shall proscribe."

I don't remember reading that.

Is anyone else here a Strict Constructionist?

[MattinNJ]

Thank you for your well reasoned reply. I have deep respect for anybody who can use applicable quotes from the Founding Fathers.

I looked at your home page. Thank you for your service to our beloved nation.

[Travis McGee]

Where does it say in the constitution that the power to enact that law shall NOT be allowed to the legislatures of that state?

By the exact same reasoning, every law against bestiality, consenting (in the will) necrophilia and cannibalism, and adult incest MUST be struck down.

Every 40 year old father is now free to spend 18 years seducing his children and take them to bed as "consenting" sex partners on their 18th birthdays.

By what "right" can the states forbid these "consensual" behaviors now? Please list your reasons why states may forbid my list of perviersions, but may not forbid others?

[Coleus]

Yes, God has the final say and judging from various quotes from the bible; they may be in a bit of trouble.

[ppaul]

RE: #37 above.

Whatsamatter?
Cat got your tongue?

[Van Jenerette]

Thanks! It's a difficult world/nation we live in.

Best regards - Van