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1 posted on 06/23/2003 7:15:56 AM PDT by Brian S
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This morning's Supreme Court decision on AA should serve as a reminder of how vital it is to get Bush's judicial nominees confirmed in the Senate. No doubt, the RATS are probably jumping for joy at the decision. The Senate judicial confirmation hearings are going to get even nastier. Plus, expect the likes of John Kerry, Howard Dean, and company to be ranting about how the AA decision is proof that African-Americans are merely 1 SC Justice from slavery. In 2004, the RATS will be attempting to race-bait their way back to power.
335 posted on 06/23/2003 8:35:41 AM PDT by Kuksool
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If the states have a compelling interest in achieving the undefined goal of racially-diverse student body, how can historically-black colleges get away with being so predominantly undiverse?

The law school ruling really gets under my skin. It's ok to discriminate against whites as long as it's not too obvious. How ridiculous.

348 posted on 06/23/2003 8:43:19 AM PDT by Kryptonite (Free Miguel)
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This is no longer a free country.

This is a country where lip service is paid to "freedom," but where actually, in practice, "equality" is upheld as the more important ideal.

Today is a sad day.


355 posted on 06/23/2003 8:45:18 AM PDT by wizzler
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IMPORTANT: presently ANYONE who want to become a lawyer can fine an acredited law school to accept them. These people may not be able to enter a selective school but they will get in somewhere. All law graduates have a portion of the bar exam on the same blind footing as all other applicants for a particular state in order to actually practice. Perhaps this factored into the opinion.
367 posted on 06/23/2003 8:50:14 AM PDT by longtermmemmory
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OConner and Sourderpuss??
368 posted on 06/23/2003 8:50:37 AM PDT by zip (A liberal mind is a great thing to waste)
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Supreme court ruling - you can disciminate based on race, just not too much.

Once again the RINOS and the liberals use the constitution as toilet paper
383 posted on 06/23/2003 9:03:09 AM PDT by republicman
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Congratulations Amerika! You've achieved legally what Communists could only do using tyranny!

Lemme 'splain. In European Communist countries the governments instituted admission policies at the universities (which were all state run) to correct past injustices and admit previously disadvantaged classes. The advantaged classes whose children were denied those extra points and often the admission were the sons and daughters of the despised "intelligentsia" and former aristocracy. These were in a manner perfect self-perpetuating policies - only a voiceless minority was against them, and those admitted and graduated from universities, that is the countries' new elites, would never admit to others or to themselves that they benefitted from discrimination. But in the end, many lives were broken. Somebody please explain to me the difference between then there and here now!

409 posted on 06/23/2003 9:20:20 AM PDT by Revolting cat! (Subvert the conspiracy of inanimate objects!)
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Justice Thomas wrote an excellent dissent in the law school case. Excerpts:

Like (Frederick) Douglass, I believe blacks can achieve in every avenue of American life without the meddling of university administrators. Because I wish to see all students succeed whatever their color, I share, in some respect, the sympathies of those who sponsor the type of discrimination advanced by the University of Michigan Law School (Law School). The Constitution does not, however, tolerate institutional devotion to the status quo in admissions policies when such devotion ripens into racial discrimination. Nor does the Constitution countenance the unprecedented deference the Court gives to the Law School, an approach inconsistent with the very concept of strict scrutiny.

A close reading of the Court's opinion reveals that all of its legal work is done through one conclusory statement: The Law School has a compelling interest in securing the educational benefits of a diverse student body. Ante, at 21. No serious effort is made to explain how these benefits fit with the state interests the Court has recognized (or rejected) as compelling, see Part I, supra, or to place any theoretical constraints on an enterprising court's desire to discover still more justifications for racial discrimination. In the absence of any explanation, one might expect the Court to fall back on the judicial policy of stare decisis. But the Court eschews even this weak defense of its holding, shunning an analysis of the extent to which Justice Powell s opinion in Regents of Univ. of Cal. v. Bakke, 438 U. S. 265 (1978), is binding, ante, at 13, in favor of an unfounded wholesale adoption of it.

Justice Powell's opinion in Bakke and the Court's decision today rest on the fundamentally flawed proposition that racial discrimination can be contextualized so that a goal, such as classroom aesthetics, can be compelling in one context but not in another. This we know it when we see it approach to evaluating state interests is not capable of judicial application. Today, the Court insists on radically expanding the range of permissible uses of race to something as trivial (by comparison) as the assembling of a law school class. I can only presume that the majority s failure to justify its decision by reference to any principle arises from the absence of any such principle. See Part VI, infra.

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Under the proper standard, there is no pressing public necessity in maintaining a public law school at all and, it follows, certainly not an elite law school. Likewise, marginal improvements in legal education do not qualify as a compelling state interest.


416 posted on 06/23/2003 9:23:18 AM PDT by B Knotts
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Another nail in the coffin of the Constitution. And of Liberty.

We hold these truths to be self-evident. That some races are more important than others.
438 posted on 06/23/2003 9:37:51 AM PDT by gitmo (Why can't they be like we were, perfect in every way? What's the matter with kids today?)
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This is going to send lower courts into a spin -- O'Conner's idiot opinion says "its okay to discriminate, but not too much," a totally undefined line.

What a mess this will create- Lower courts will be interpreting this all over the place.

444 posted on 06/23/2003 9:42:07 AM PDT by republicman (If not now, then when?)
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I'd rather the decision banned the consideration of race all together. But isn't this pretty much in line with previous SC decisions?
505 posted on 06/23/2003 10:25:16 AM PDT by MattAMiller (Down with the Mullahs! Peace, freedom, and prosperity for Iran.)
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I'm coming in after 500 posts on this subject and I of course haven't read them all ... but my .02 on affirmative action in general is that it's not 1963 anymore. In those bad old days, I can see, irregardless of whether it's a conservative position or not, that some things may have needed to be done. But that is two generations ago. I submit that any minority, male or female, that is of age in the year 2003 can be whatever he or she wants to be, if he or she REALLY wants to. And that's the catch here.

The thing I've always asked my liberal friends who support affirmative action is "where's the stopping point ... will there ever be a time when it can end?"

They're usually silent, but I got my answer years ago when I saw the late (and not so lamented) William Kunstler on a panel show and he was asked the same question ... "Can there ever be a stopping point to affirmative action?" ... and he said no, never because, "Whites can never, to the end of time, atone for the evil of slavery."

So that's the bottom line, at the core it's not about advancement or opportunities but about payback and revenge for stuff that happened 150 years ago.

522 posted on 06/23/2003 10:57:19 AM PDT by GB
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President Applauds Supreme Court Decision

Statement by the President

I applaud the Supreme Court for recognizing the value of diversity on our Nation's campuses. Diversity is one of America's greatest strengths. Today's decisions seek a careful balance between the goal of campus diversity and the fundamental principle of equal treatment under the law.

My Administration will continue to promote policies that expand educational opportunities for Americans from all racial, ethnic, and economic backgrounds. There are innovative and proven ways for colleges and universities to reflect our diversity without using racial quotas. The Court has made clear that colleges and universities must engage in a serious, good faith consideration of workable race-neutral alternatives. I agree that we must look first to these race-neutral approaches to make campuses more welcoming for all students.

Race is a reality in American life. Yet like the Court, I look forward to the day when America will truly be a color-blind society. My Administration will continue to work toward this important goal.

537 posted on 06/23/2003 11:15:37 AM PDT by TexKat
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I remember reading awhile ago a conjecture that the whole Jayson Blair episode at the NYT would influence the outcome of these cases.

I've followed this thread from the beginning but do not recall anyone commenting on the matter. Anyway, it would appear as though the Jayson Blair mess had NO effect.

O'Connor was the swing vote to keep the law school admissions policy so she obviously wasn't influenced in the right direction, and the vote to trash the undergrad "point system" was 6-3. Unless someone wants to say that Jayson Blair changed it from a 5-4 to a 6-3 vote...
562 posted on 06/23/2003 1:30:17 PM PDT by freedomcrusader
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Hey, Brian S!

From the Opinion of Justice Thomas:

"Justice Powell's opinion of Bakke and the Court's decision today rest on the fundamentally flawed proposition that racial discrimination can be contextualized so that a goal, such as classroom aesthetics, can be compelling in one context but not in another. This "we know it when we see it" approach to evaluating state interests is not capable of judicial application. Today, the Court insists on radically expanding the range of permissible uses of race to something as trivial (by comparison) as the assembling of a law school class. I can only presume that the majority's failure to justify its decision by reference to any principle arises from the absence of any such principle. See Part VI, infra."

565 posted on 06/23/2003 2:14:50 PM PDT by Fury
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Justice Scalia's comments are very succint and to the point as well. Again, I suggest to all they read...
569 posted on 06/23/2003 2:25:44 PM PDT by Fury
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Supreme Court rules in favor of U. of Michigan Admissions Policy

Actually this is not accurate.

It was a split decision..striking down one admissions policy and supporting another.

596 posted on 06/23/2003 5:13:20 PM PDT by Jorge
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