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New Abortion Ban Ignores Court (Double-Bagger Baby Killer Barf Alert!!!)
Omaha World-Herald ^ | June 22, 2003 | Priscilla Smith

Posted on 06/22/2003 2:12:10 PM PDT by Carthago delenda est

The writer is one of the lawyers who in 2000 successfully argued before the U.S. Supreme Court in the case of Stenberg vs. Carhart, in which the court struck down a Nebraska law against the procedure ofter termed partial-birth abortion.

On June 4, the U.S. House of Representatives approved a bill banning so-called partial birth abortions - just three years after the U.S. Supreme Court struck down a similar Nebraska ban. The bill, which is similar to one already passed by the Senate, is expected to be signed by the president shortly.

Proponents of the bill have been working overtime to give the impression that the only people who could oppose such bans are extremists. The reality, however, is far different. No fewer than 50 federal and state court judges in 21 lawsuits - judges appointed by Democrats and Republicans alike - have examined what these laws actually do and have held that they are unconstitutional.

In Stenberg vs. Carhart, the Supreme Court - the final arbiter of what our Constitution protects - ruled that Nebraska's law had two fatal flaws. While its supporters had claimed the law would ban only one post-viability method of abortion, the court ruled that it actually would ban the safest and most common methods of abortion starting at the beginning of the second trimester of pregnancy - long before fetal viability.

In addition, the court ruled that the law's failure to make any exception to protect a woman's health violated one of the core principles of Roe vs. Wade - that states cannot endanger women's health. A ban without a health exception, the court held, would endanger women because it would prevent the physician from performing the method of abortion that was the safest for a particular woman. Rather than fixing this fundamental defect, Congress simply added a "finding" that the banned procedures are never warranted for health reasons. In cases stretching back to 1803, however, the Supreme Court has consistently held that lawmakers can't just ignore rulings they dislike by adopting their own "findings."

As counsel to Dr. LeRoy Carhart - the Bellevue physician who challenged the Nebraska law - and as part of the team of lawyers that successfully challenged similar statutes in 13 other states, I am experiencing a kind of legal deja vu. The Supreme Court's decision in Carhart was the culmination of a 6-year battle and resolved these issues. So why are we now faced with the prospect of going back to the courts on the exact same issues? Because supporters of this bill have simply chosen to ignore the court's decision.

The new federal bill suffers from the same two flaws that doomed Nebraska's law, as if Stenberg vs. Carhart never happened. Once again, rather than limiting the ban to a single procedure, the sponsors have written a ban so broad that it would criminalize the safest and most common methods of abortion starting at the beginning of the second trimester. Even more remarkable perhaps, the sponsors have completely ignored the Supreme Court's holding that any ban must contain a health exception. In essence, its authors have put a new coat of paint on a condemned house and are hoping that no one notices.

Why would the sponsors promote and President Bush pledge to sign an unconstitutional bill? It's hard to escape the conclusion that their real purpose is to erode further the legal protections for women's right to control their bodies and lives. And that they are restarting the legal battle in hopes that, by the time the fight over this new bill reaches the Supreme Court, the court's composition will have changed. With the current Congress and president, anti-choice activists are optimistic that, in the event of an opening on the court, any new appointment would tip the balance against the right to choose abortion.

The Center for Reproductive Rights is poised to fight this law once more. With Supreme Court precedent on our side, I am confident that we can win in the lower courts. However, just like my opponents, I am all too aware that the appointment of a new justice could spell the end of Carhart and Roe vs. Wade, both of which are currently hanging by a one-vote majority.

• Smith is director of the Domestic Legal Program of the Center for Reproductive Rights.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abortion; crr; donstenberg; leroycarhart; omahaworldherald; priscillasmith; stenbergvscarhart
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To: SkooldBiDaStayt
So if a foreigner conceives on American soil you want that baby to have American citizenship?

Assuming the validity of your argument, you make an excellent argument as to why the US should be shut to new residents.

21 posted on 06/22/2003 3:38:23 PM PDT by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: SkooldBiDaStayt
Thus, if a member of Al Qaeda impregnates his wife on the outskirts of a Saudi airbase and can prove it..... that probably future Islamist thug is an American citizen even though it was born in say... Mecca, Medina or another Saudi City

They never get in the country. Nothing to it.

23 posted on 06/22/2003 4:12:30 PM PDT by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: SkooldBiDaStayt
Of course, if they're carrying dual citizenship you can't legally keep them out because they're American citizens under the US Constitution and thus you can't apply any regulations to them that wouldn't apply to you.

Since I don't hold dual citizenship, I have no trouble with putting an end to dual citizenship "applying to me".

25 posted on 06/22/2003 4:35:01 PM PDT by grania ("Won't get fooled again")
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To: SkooldBiDaStayt
I guarantee you, your line of thinking taken to its natural conclusion will not get you abortion outlawed, it will turn your home state into a welfare state a la sweden.

First of all, I live in northern virginia which ain't far from sweden to begin with. Second, we disagree on a core values issue. Many of us believe this is absolute: killing an innocent human being purely for convenience is murder of the foullest kind.

If Dante were alive he'd create a circle of hell lower than the Judas's ninth for perpetrators of abortion and their apologists. By comparison with abortion, Macbeth is a comedy. And the blood of millions will not wash off--it will damn many to the tenth circle.

The arguments you present are simply irrevelant to those who believe that abortion in this country is mass murder on an horrible, unprecedented scale.

26 posted on 06/22/2003 5:10:20 PM PDT by rmgatto
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To: SkooldBiDaStayt

$500 to the first person who can find where the US Government had the authority to declare Roe v Wade or pass a ban on partial birth abortion that carries legal weight outside of federal land. Hint: it ain't there.

Well, pay up! It's right there in the section about the right to privacy . . . uh . . . wait a minute . . .

27 posted on 06/22/2003 5:19:52 PM PDT by Timmy
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To: Carthago delenda est; rmgatto; jwalsh07; MHGinTN; rwfromkansas; grania; Timmy; baseballfanjm; ...
1st and early 2nd trimester... - Trimesters -

Does anyone know, - What is the orgin of " Trimesters" ? Is 'trimester' a legitimate medical term that was used in medical science before the modern 'abortion' debates of the 60's & 70's (& to present)? - OR, is the term "trimester" merely 'abortion-speak'? Was "trimester" merely a creation of the proaborts and/or the 'Blackmun Court' with its Roe/Doe opinions?

28 posted on 06/22/2003 5:33:27 PM PDT by Golden Gate
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To: Carthago delenda est; afraidfortherepublic; AlbionGirl; anniegetyourgun; Aquinasfan; arasina; ...
ping...
29 posted on 06/22/2003 6:01:51 PM PDT by cgk (Rummy on WMD: We haven't found Saddam Hussein yet, but I don't see anyone saying HE didn't exist.)
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To: MHGinTN; SkooldBiDaStayt
And don't forget the 5th and 14th Amendments to the Constitution guaranteeing us LIFE. Yes all life. Abortion was Illegal then and they never thought it would be the way things are today so the exact "word" of Abortion is not there. It doesn't have to be since it's implied.
30 posted on 06/22/2003 6:05:59 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/notify?detach=1)
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To: SkooldBiDaStayt
Bone up on the constitution.

Libertarians for life
http://www.l4l.org/

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/861695/posts
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/929095/posts
I don't know where you've been but the Republican Congress pushed through a Welfare Reform Bill during the Clinton Administration which was signed on the 3rd try before election. I know in NJ we limit welfare to 2 children, a law proposed by a black democrat assemblyman.


Why don't y'all also fight to repeal the federal drug laws which carry over into state borders (no legal, constitutional jurisdiction for intrastate commerce), the PATRIOT Act, Medicare, Social(ist) Security, the federal gun laws, the FDA (so people can actually get real medicalcare) and stuff like that. >>>>>

I'm for that too the 10th amendment; however, LIFE is first, everything else is secondary. Sorry about that.

Platform of the Republican Party:
http://www.rnc.org/GOPInfo/Platform/2000platform4.htm

Seems the Republicans wants the constitution to protect life too, so I guess you are not a republican?

We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. Our purpose is to have legislative and judicial protection of that right against those who perform abortions. We oppose using public revenues for abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity of innocent human life.
32 posted on 06/22/2003 7:08:32 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/notify?detach=1)
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To: cgk
Thanks for the heads up!
33 posted on 06/22/2003 7:30:23 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: SkooldBiDaStayt
No you're the Libertarian, I am a republican and follow the pro-life platform of the republican party
http://www.rnc.org/GOPInfo/Platform/2000platform4.htm

where they assure the 14th amendment applies to the unborn, please read it this time. Please do not twist thing around, thank you.

35 posted on 06/22/2003 8:04:27 PM PDT by Coleus (God is Pro Life and Straight http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/notify?detach=1)
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To: SkooldBiDaStayt
When confronted with a difficult and complex social problem, it is the strange individual who will offer killing off the vulnerable in order to ease the problem, when so many other means and avenues can be considered that don't bury the consequences of behaviors for which individual males and females ought be responsible.
36 posted on 06/22/2003 8:15:09 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: SkooldBiDaStayt
You're still dangling out there supporting killing the innocent alive unborn as a means to solve societal problems. It makes it very difficult to find something rational in your posts to address.
39 posted on 06/22/2003 9:09:07 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote Life Support for others.)
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To: Carthago delenda est
A ban without a health exception, the court held, would endanger women because it would prevent the physician from performing the method of abortion that was the safest for a particular woman.

A partial birth abortion is NEVER safer than a cesaerian and NEVER medically necessary.

40 posted on 06/22/2003 9:11:12 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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