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Pharaoh's chariots found in the Red Sea? ( Holy Moses! )
World Net Daily ^ | June 21, 2003 | Joe Kovacs

Posted on 06/21/2003 10:52:07 AM PDT by UnklGene

MUCH ABOUT HISTORY Pharaoh's chariots found in Red Sea? 'Physical evidence' of ancient Exodus prompting new look at Old Testament

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Posted: June 21, 2003 1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Joe Kovacs © 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

"And Moses stretched out his hand over the sea; and the LORD caused the sea to go back by a strong east wind all that night, and made the sea dry land, and the waters were divided." (Exodus 14:21)

One of the most famous stories of the Bible is God's parting of the Red Sea to save the Israelites from the Egyptian army and the subsequent drowning of soldiers and horses in hot pursuit.

But is there evidence that such an event did in fact happen – and if so, precisely where did it take place?

The issue is surfacing some 3,500 years after the event is said to have taken place with reports of Egyptian chariot wheels found in the Red Sea, photographs to document it and new books by scientists that could lead to a whole remapping of the Exodus route and a fresh look at ancient biblical accounts.

Wheel of fortune

Is this a chariot wheel that chased Moses? (CovenantKeepers.co.uk)

"I am 99.9 percent sure I picked up a chariot wheel," Peter Elmer tells WorldNetDaily after two diving trips to the Gulf of Aqaba branch of the sea. "It was covered in coral."

The 38-year-old forklift mechanic from Keynsham, England, traveled to the region with his brother, Mark, after being inspired by videos of explorers Ron Wyatt and Jonathan Gray, who have documented artifacts that in at least one case authorities have confirmed to be a chariot wheel dating to the time of the Exodus.

"I believe I actually sat in an ancient chariot cab," Elmer said, referring to his time exploring a submerged item in what he describes as an underwater scrapyard. "Without question, it is most definitely the remains of the Egyptian army."

But despite all of Elmer's excitement, others who have been to the same location are not so sure what is being viewed underwater are the remnants of the great chase and urge extreme caution regarding the unsubstantiated claims.

"All kinds of people are finding coral and calling it chariot parts," says Richard Rives, president of Wyatt Archaeological Research in Tennessee. "It's most likely coral covered with coral. ... Opportunists are combining false things with the true things that are found. These people are making it up as they go to be TV stars."

Rives was a longtime partner of Ron Wyatt, an anesthetist and amateur archaeologist who died of cancer in 1999. Before passing away, Wyatt devoted years searching for and documenting physical evidence for events mentioned in the Bible. In addition to chariot wheels, Wyatt claimed to have found Noah's Ark on the mountain next to Ararat in Turkey, the "true" Mount Sinai in Saudi Arabia and the Ark of the Covenant with the Ten Commandments near the site of Jesus Christ's crucifixion.

Submerged 'land bridge' (Wyatt Archaeological Research)

Among those who accompanied Wyatt on many of his excursions is his wife, Mary Nell. She's concerned about over-exuberance regarding new claims, but the Spring Hill, Tenn., woman tells WorldNetDaily she's "convinced" there are chariot parts located on a subsurface "land bridge" connecting Egypt to Saudi Arabia through the Gulf of Aqaba.

She cites Ron's discovery of a wheel hub that he brought to the surface in the late 1970s as proof.

The hub had the remains of eight spokes radiating outward and was examined by Nassif Mohammed Hassan, director of Antiquities in Cairo. Hassan declared it to be from the 18th Dynasty of ancient Egypt, explaining the eight-spoked wheel was used only during that dynasty around 1400 B.C.

Curiously, no one can account for the precise whereabouts of that eight-spoked wheel today, though Hassan is on videotape stating his conclusion regarding authenticity.

When Mary Nell went diving with Ron, she says it was very easy to assume (wrongly) that every item on the flat bottom had historical significance.

"[At first] I thought everything was a chariot wheel!" Mrs. Wyatt exclaimed, noting how difficult it is for the untrained eye to distinguish an artifact from a piece of coral. "I'm just trying to be cautious about over-identifying too much. ... It is God's truth, and we can't hype it up. We can't add to it."

However, she notes a big problem for explorers and scientists is that the Egyptian government no longer allows items to be removed from the protected region. Thus, someone claiming to find an artifact will have a hard – if not impossible – time verifying its authenticity, a classic catch-22.

The watery grave

"And the waters returned, and covered the chariots, and the horsemen, and all the host of Pharaoh that came into the sea after them; there remained not so much as one of them." (Exodus 14:28)

The Bible account makes it clear that once the Israelites had marched through the parted sea on dry ground, that the waters rushed back to completely engulf the doomed army of ancient Egypt.

With that in mind, many of the items being seen in the Gulf of Aqaba have been photographed by divers for comparison to the Exodus story.

(Wyatt Archaeological Research)

One of the most spectacular items is what appears to be a wheel with metal exposed. Mary Nell says the wheel is covered with a gold veneer, to which coral has difficulty attaching. She says the gold wheel is still there, wedged so tightly in the bottom that it feels like it's been cemented in.

Many other photographs show formations in a circular pattern with projections that could be spokes, but those items remain at the bottom and have not been authenticated.

Another issue is the route of the Exodus, and which body of water the Israelites crossed. Many travel maps and Bibles indicate a crossing point in the Gulf of Suez, the western branch of the Red Sea. But those may have to be updated if the Aqaba location is confirmed as the true location for the miraculous event.

"The truth is, no one really knows where the crossing of the Red Sea took place," says Carl Rasmussen, a biblical geographer and professor of Old Testament at Bethel College in St. Paul, Minn.

Rasmussen compiled the "Zondervan NIV Atlas of the Bible" and personally thinks the crossing took place somewhere along what is now the Suez Canal.

Yellow highlights possible spot of Mount Sinai east of Red Sea crossing in Gulf of Aqaba (Wyatt Archaeological Research)

Some scientists from Europe say the current maps are wrong, and the Wyatts are right – that the crossing began at the Nuweiba beachhead, went through the Gulf of Aqaba, and then into what is now Saudi Arabia where they claim the "true" Mount Sinai is located.

For years, scholars have speculated as to the location of the actual Mount Sinai where Moses received the Ten Commandments from God. At least 13 sites have actually been claimed on the Sinai peninsula as being the correct spot.

But Ron Wyatt believed it was in Arabia, even referenced as "mount Sinai in Arabia" by the Apostle Paul in Galatians 4:25.

So he and his sons made their way to "Jebel el Lawz," the mountain of the Law, which is known by the locals as "Jebel Musa" – Moses' mountain.

Unfortunately for the Wyatts, they were arrested and held in prison. His wife says someone had phoned embassy authorities for the Muslim country, claiming that Ron was spying for Israel. They were released after spending 78 days behind bars.

Rasmussen doesn't agree with the Arabian Mount Sinai theory.

"I believe the strongest candidate is Jebel Sin Bisher," he told WorldNetDaily. "The sites in Saudi Arabia have very, very weak scriptural backing, in spite of the hype."

Now, a new book by Cambridge University physicist Colin Humphreys titled "The Miracles of Exodus" supports not only the claim for an Aqaba crossing, but also the location of Mount Sinai in Arabia.

"If my book is correct, and I believe the evidence is very strong," says Humphreys, "then world maps will need to be redrawn to relocate Mount Sinai. History books, travel guides and biblical commentaries will need to be rewritten."

Throughout his work, Humphreys provides scientific explanations to corroborate the accounts of the Old Testament.

"'The waters piled up, the surging waters stood firm like a wall,' is a remarkable description of what the mathematics reveals to be the case for water pushed back by a very strong wind," he writes.

"What I have found is that the events of the Exodus are even more dramatic than is generally believed," Humphreys said. "The Exodus of the ancient Israelites from Egypt really is one of the greatest true stories ever told."

A Swedish scientist who believes the Red Sea was split says while Humphreys is correct about the Aqaba crossing, there are no natural, scientific explanations for the parting miracle described in Scripture.

Walls of water as depicted in 'The Ten Commandments' (Paramount Pictures)

"The wind did not separate the water," says Lennart Moller of the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm. "No person could be in that wind and survive. ... If God has created all the Earth, it's no problem for Him to separate the water for a while."

Speaking to WorldNetDaily from the isle of Gotland in the Baltic Sea, Moller, the author of "The Exodus Case," says the key in finding the correct route of the Israelites is to understand that the Hebrew reference to "yum suph" does not mean "sea of reeds" as many scholars have claimed.

Moller says it refers specifically to the Gulf of Aqaba, and while he's not formally affiliated with the Wyatts, he agrees with them that a host of other evidence can be found on the Arabian side of the water, including remains of the golden calf, pillars, altars and the even the rock the Bible says Moses split to bring forth water for the Israelites.

Regarding the items found beneath the waters, Moller believes there are remnants not only of chariots and wheels, but also human and animal skeletons.

"There was a disaster [there] a long time ago," he said. "Whatever that is, it's open to interpretation."

He also notes that the downward and upward slope of the Aqaba crossing path actually falls within current U.S. standards for handicapped ramps.

And while Mary Nell Wyatt warns overstating the claims by divers and authors could do more harm than good, she does believe there's a reason why her husband was led to discover what Ron called "God's attention-getters."

"God preserved all these evidences," she said, "[otherwise] there would have been nothing left. ... God has been lost today. Even Christians still can't believe this all happened. ... We need to pray for the Lord to help us get people to see it."

Back in England, Peter Elmer says people have mockingly asked "Why should a forklift mechanic from Keynsham be able to go to the same place Moses was?"

He takes the criticism in stride, pointing out "Jesus used fishermen, tax collectors and publicans. Why not a forklift mechanic?"


TOPICS: Israel; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ancienthistory; artifacts; catastrophism; egypt; exodus; fraud; godsgravesglyphs; redsea; ronwyatt; sinai
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To: fso301
Given the poor condition of wood and iron recovered from sunken 300-400 year old Spanish wrecks near Florida, what would the condition be of wooden chariot parts submerged for thousands of years in warm relatively shallow water?

Maybe so, but it seems to me that the Egyptians of this time period used mainly Bronze. The Hittites had iron, and that made them nasty folks to fight with....

101 posted on 06/21/2003 9:10:05 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: Russell Scott
The Bible has NEVER been proven wrong, so this is not surprising at all. What is surprisng is how man goes out of his way to try to avoid proving the absolute historical accuracy of it.

Unfortunately, many people work so hard all their lives to deny God's truth...only to realize too late that could have saved their souls. Tragic.

102 posted on 06/21/2003 9:13:24 PM PDT by Jorge
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To: UnklGene
I think the corssing research Wyatt did was solid. And some Sinai stuff I forget whether it was done by him or someone he knew.

Don't know about Aararat sp?

The Crucifixion, Ark of The Covenant sounds like something God would do--but time will tell. I believe it is NOT time for it to be revealed yet. But getting closer by the day.

Have gone up and down on whether Wyatt was authentic, a charlatan or not. I believe now he was not a charlatan. It remains to be seen what he found will prove to be validated. But I think the crossing stuff has been proven sufficiently for me to believe it.
103 posted on 06/21/2003 9:20:02 PM PDT by Quix
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To: VOA
Great point!
104 posted on 06/21/2003 9:20:51 PM PDT by Quix
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To: rmmcdaniell
Wellllllllllll if you consider the evidence for evolution to be

Gargantuan . . . that explains plenty about your screening for evidence skills and criteria.

Sigh.
105 posted on 06/21/2003 9:22:58 PM PDT by Quix
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To: sonofron
I agree.
106 posted on 06/21/2003 9:23:48 PM PDT by Quix
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To: John H K
"CLEAR" transitions from species to species?

You must be joking.

That's about like Shrillery Hellery calling Dillbo the most honorable husband she knows because he smiles so sweetly on camera.
107 posted on 06/21/2003 9:25:40 PM PDT by Quix
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To: Dr Warmoose
Well said.

Much agree.
108 posted on 06/21/2003 9:27:16 PM PDT by Quix
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To: dark_lord
Do you have any pictures from your vacation at the Black Sea from 7000 or so years ago?
109 posted on 06/21/2003 9:33:34 PM PDT by Radix (Page 15! Fear is the mind killer.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I'm not an Egyptologist or student of military antiquities but my guess is the Egyptian chariots were largely composed of wood due to it's weight. Fasteners and decorations may have been metallic but I suspect the axle, wheels, floor and apron were largely wooden.

At growth rates of 1/2 inch per year, corals would have long ago overgrown their original seed material (metal chariot parts) and would now be large coral reefs. To have a recognizeable chariot part, recovered now, it would have needed to have been buried at or shortly after the Egyptian army was destroyed.

110 posted on 06/21/2003 10:11:27 PM PDT by fso301
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To: dark_lord
Nice post. My way of thinking on this follows yours pretty closely.

I have never considered evolution and creationism to be competing ideas.

111 posted on 06/21/2003 10:37:31 PM PDT by comebacknewt
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To: fso301
Agreed on the probable composition. However, rates of coral growth and sedimentation/scouring of sediments cannot be assumed to be constant. Wood may or may not have provided appropriate anchor points for coral if the wood was covered with sediment rapidly, and the amount of coral growth is dependant on numerous factors as well. Too many variables in the equation.

You are right about burial, but the mechanism of closing walls of water could have provided plenty of suspended sediment with no prevailing current.

Coral growth and sedimentation could be significant, or nearly negligable; the conditions which would promote organic decay (water circulation, nutrient flow, oxygenation) would also enhance coral growth to a point. They are not a given, however. Even so, encrustation of wooden artifacts should provide even crude molds, which properly found and investigated, should yield at least the gross morphology of the void space, and thus, be identifiable to some degree. Wood has survived long internment under water in the proper conditions, though little known to be from this era.

If this is a shipwreck, there should be evidence of cargo, ballast, and a ship, with some fittings unique to that (maritime) venue. The debris field should be limited in size (by the size of the vessel).

If an army on the march, another assemblage of artifacts would be expected of a more terrestrial bent, one significantly larger than a ship could contain, and dispersed in such a fashion that would make a maritime source unlikely.

Imagine drowning a large force of foot soldiers, horse, and chariots. Even if the chariots were made from wood too dense to float, or adorned/fitted heavily eonugh to stay submerged, only the soldiers encumbred by sufficient goods, armor, or weapons to hold their bodies on the bottom after bloating would stay in place. Putrefaction, bloating, and a west wind could have delivered numerous weapons into the hands of the Hebrews, literally coming ashore.

I was thinking, though that any force of significant size should have contained a fair metallic component in the debris, (clasps, buckles, ornaments, if not weapons, (projectile points, etc.) In the absence of ferrous metals, (no magnetic anomaly), this might be tougher to detect, but there should still be a substantial amount of material which should have been left on the bottom.

Politics of the region will likely make thorough investigation difficult, if not impossible, which is a pity. This is intriguing as an archaeological problem, the potential religious significance is astounding.

112 posted on 06/21/2003 10:59:24 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe
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To: Skywalk
I understand the esoteric difference between a working hypothesis(essentially a "supposition of order" or road-map of reason to provide an orderly acquisition of data for testing and formation of knowledge by inductive and deductive means) and settled theory(accepted working axioms gained by observation of data via the successful working out of and reproducible experimentation with various WORKING HYPOTHESES as relates to observed data phenomena). Settled theorems may have parts(or holes) that are not wholly demonstrable by logically observed data; though applications of whole theorems may be useful in explaining a given phenomena and even be useful in creating new knowledge, inventions, medical benefits, that advance our knowledge and standard of living.
Now I just said a mouthful! We have working theories of gravity, physics, light ect each made up of hypotheses supported by observable data. It is given that we don't know everything about each of the above, how it all works, ect but we know enough to predict behavior of each under give conditions. The atomic bomb worked even though Einstein had incorrect data regarding the transit of venus as it related to his theory of relativity. When the corrections were made, his theory was merely strenthened, not destroyed.

The arguement with accepting evolution as settled theory(hence the layman's term "just a theory") is that there are too many unsupported hypotheses in the thought and experimental processes regarding evolution to even call it settled theory. We can't really reproduce the conditions of early earth though we make suppositions of what is was like, and we can manipulate carbon and enzymes in a lab. Even the notion of how to define what evolution is, is being fought over by the pre-eminent scientists in the field.
All theories are considered "falsifialbe" which is different from "fact". I think that is what the hick religious trailer park crowd have in mind when they say "evolution is not a fact, it is just a theory, and not a very good one at that!
113 posted on 06/22/2003 1:46:56 AM PDT by mdmathis6
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To: dark_lord
My personal belief is that "evolution" may have occurred, but that it is/was guided evolution

I see... You're really a closet creationist. :)

114 posted on 06/22/2003 3:49:28 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: dark_lord
Your post 90 was very interesting. Do you have any links for the "recreation" theories?
115 posted on 06/22/2003 3:53:02 AM PDT by AmericaUnited
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To: AmericaUnited
Nope. But if you check out the NIV translation (for example, here, and follow the footnote, you will see the accepted alternate translation of "was" is, in fact, "became". Do that, and think about the implications.
116 posted on 06/22/2003 8:52:04 AM PDT by dark_lord (The Statue of Liberty now holds a baseball bat and she's yelling 'You want a piece of me?')
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To: CyberAnt
Christians do not believe your theory and you're wasting your breath on us.

So don't confuse them with fact

117 posted on 06/22/2003 8:57:50 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Per caritate viduaribus orphanibusque sed prime viduaribus)
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To: dark_lord
My personal belief is that "evolution" may have occurred, but that it is/was guided evolution

Mine too

118 posted on 06/22/2003 8:58:52 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Per caritate viduaribus orphanibusque sed prime viduaribus)
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To: rwfromkansas
I COMPLETELY disagree with this stupid IDIOTIC theory that somehow the world is 6,000 years old.

You got that right

119 posted on 06/22/2003 9:03:09 AM PDT by clamper1797 (Per caritate viduaribus orphanibusque sed prime viduaribus)
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To: UnklGene
Now then, Gene. See all the trouble you've generated?
( "Here's another fine mess you've gotten us into,
Stanley!" )
120 posted on 06/22/2003 11:55:44 AM PDT by UnklGene
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