CA: Davis Recall: Too little democracy, or too much?

Sacramento Bee Weblog ^ | June 20, 2003 | Daniel Weintraub

[pushforbush]

California Insider A Weblog by Sacramento Bee Columnist Daniel Weintraub June 20, 2003 Too little democracy, or too much? Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante has added his name to the list of top Democrats who

[DoughtyOne]

It's a done deal. I don't think anything could stop this steam-roller, and if anything it's picking up steam.

As you stated, the media is beginning to talk about this. It's becoming obvious it's going to happen.

What this portends is more people being inspired to sign on. This is California history in the making and it's something even the leftist media is going to be covering in detail.

Now, take your motion sickness medication, fasten your seatbelts and watch the left spin like they've never spinned before.

There's a lot riding on this. If the wrong Republican candidate should get in, the lefties are in for a bit of a walk of shame. For if he can get this state back on it's feet, the Democrats are going to be eating a feast of crow over spilt milk for the next ten years or so.

[DoughtyOne]

This effort has become so successful, I sure wish we could expand it to recall every member of the California Legislature. It's time to start over from the bottom up!

[NormsRevenge]

This effort has become so successful, I sure wish we could expand it to recall every member of the California Legislature. It's time to start over from the bottom up!

It's called the 2004 General Election. We need to thrash the demRats with their records of irresponsible spending and odious taxation proposals.

The record is there of their massive involvement in this state budget and overtaxing and spending debacle.

They should be the ones paying with their jobs for a change. ;-)

Let's Make it Happen!!!

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

They have grown used to elections being a fairly private affair among insiders, who anoint the favorites and control the money that’s the lifeblood of modern campaigning. The recall is messy, it’s risky, it’s scary. Most of all it’s unpredictable. Who knows what the people will do? The insiders simply can’t accept this.

That's it right here. How dare the people think for themselves?

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Wow! This is the first I've heard this!

[CIB-173RDABN]

California Supreme Court can always pull a NJ Soprano's stunt and change the law right about now.

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Not likely. A few years ago, we have a activist court that was overturning every death penalty verdict. If I remember correctly the California voters recalled the Chief Justice. The number of overturned death penalty cases dropped considerably after that.

The current members of the California Supreme Court does not want the anger now directed at Gray Davis to be redirected to them, they will stay out of this mess.

[CyberAnt]

Don't worry ... the democrats have to say this is democracy out of control - BECAUSE THEY AREN'T CONTROLLING IT.

Where were they when Bill Clinton was selling secrets to the Chinese - who can now hit us with nuclear bombs - I didn't see them shouting about democracy then. Where were they screaming about democracy being out of control when Bill Clinton was lying and telling other people to lie about his evil deeds. Where were they screeming about democracy when a KNOWN RAPIST was sitting in the White House.

This is just another attempt to try to make the republicans look evil. It won't work!!

This is about ACCOUNTABILITY - and we know how the democrats hate being made accountable for their actions - and their poster boy - x42 - is a prime example.

Davis has now agreed for the state govt to charge me 3 times the amount to register my car in order to try to make up his giant $38 billion deficit Davis got us into. How crass and arrogant is that!! The dems elected this bozo and they're stuck with him. We don't want him.

The reason dems are in such a snit is they realize the public is fed up with their hyjinks - and WILLING TO DO WHATEVER IT TAKES TO GET RID OF THEM - they are terrified this will boomarang right into their hold over this country and cause other states and other cities to rise up against those politicians who are only doing America harm.

The sad part is ... there are some great democrats out there who have also been deceived by their own party, to go along with this Bush-bashing. They would have looked a lot better if they had agreed with the President and joined him in fixing the country. But ... NO their only goal is to destroy Bush - and if the country goes down the tube in the meantime - oh well. We're tired of the OH WELL attitude!!!

[OldFriend]

Great democrats..........NOT A CHANCE

[Duramaximus]

"Like many of the others, Bustamante suggested in his statement that the recall is somehow un-democratic."

Hey Cruz... name one thing you have done in the last several years that is un-democratic, or un-holy.

[pushforbush]

bump

[Duramaximus]

Ooops... my post should have been written Hey Cruz... name one thing you have done in the last several years that wasn't un-democratic, or un-holy..

Please don't shoot me! Note to self: proofread twice, post once.

[John Jorsett]

They must be strapping on ice skates in hell if Dan Weintraub has nice things to say about recalling a Democrat.

[John Jorsett]

I do look for the RAT in the woodpile to be the Cal SC; they are, by and large, a big part of the problem, a majority of the court being very liberal.

Well, we have retention elections for the California Supreme Court justices, which is how we got rid of Rose Byrd and two other justices. Any shenanigans played by the CSC might well see some more of them tossed out on their ears. People are definitely out for blood where this recall is concerned.

[rwfromkansas]

Who is the secretary of state.....a Dem or Repub?

[pushforbush]

Read his other weblog postings. Weintraub seems to have become fed up with the Demos.

[Southack]

"Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante has added his name to the list of top Democrats who “do not intend” to run for governor when the recall election qualifies for the ballot. The Democrats, led by the labor movement’s most influential players, are pursuing a high-risk strategy of offering the voters Gray Davis or nobody from the Democratic side."

Nonsense. Bustamante is "standing down" to make way for either Bill Clinton, Al Gore, or some other major Democratic Party big-wig to move to California, pay the $3,500 to get onto the recall ballot, and then "energize" the entire Democratic Party for 2004 by winning California's governship in a 2003 landslide, in my opinion.

Why else would Donna Brazille, James Carville, and every other major *national* Democratic Party figure (e.g. Terry McAulliffe) be completely silent about this recall effort? Hasn't anyone noticed that the BIG-SHOT Dems aren't critizing the recall?! Like they would be silent about something this big for *our* benefit?!

Gee, they get to watch Republicans spend their money to oust the most unpopular Democrat in California's entire history, only to be replaced by a major *national* figure in Democratic Party politics.

You do the math...

[Southack]

"They must be strapping on ice skates in hell if Dan Weintraub has nice things to say about recalling a Democrat."

See post #36 and then you'll understand why Bustamante and Weintraub are all for recalling DAvis at this time...

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

I don't think I like hearing this!

[Southack]

Of course you don't like hearing it; the Democrats are USING the Republicans. They are letting us spend our time, money, and political capital to remove from office *their* problem (i.e. Davis).

Then they are going to run a major national figure like Bill Clinton or Al Gore to replace Davis.

They are going to win in a landslide in 2003, and then they are going to use that victory as their non-stop talking point during the 2004 Presidential campaign.

Picture Bill Clinton as governor of California, campaign for Al Gore and Hillary for Pres/VP in 2004.

The Democrats want as much national firepower as possible in play in 2004, and that move would get *BOTH* Clinton's back into the media spin-cycle.

The other angle is that they get Gore into the California governship, and then he campaigns for big-money-man Kerry and Hillary for Pres/VP in 2004.

Consider that California is the Democrat's *LAST* political prize.Republicans control *everything* else. We've got every major state governship (e.g. New York, Florida, Texas, Georgia) except California. We've got the House, the Senate, the Presidency, the Supreme Court, and more than half of all state legislatures.

California is it for the Democrats. It's ALL that they have left (pun intended) of any consequence.

Yet posters here on FR are acting as though the Democrats will roll over and GIVE California's governorship to us out of the goodness of their hearts!

Nope. The Democrats are going to bring in a major *national* figure to win a landslide 2003 governorship election in California, and then they are going to use that victory as ammo for their 2004 Presidential campaign.

They are going to use this recall against us if we submit those signatures for certification. To think anything else is to think that James Carville and Donna Brazille are being silent and playing nice because they have kind hearts...

[DoughtyOne]

Ditto!