Mother defends breastfeeding baby while driving (followup on idiot)

WKYC-TV/DT Cleveland ^ | 6.17.03 | Vic Gideon

[mhking]

Mother defends breastfeeding baby while driving

Reported by Vic Gideon
POSTED: Monday, June 16, 2003 5:06:15 PM
UPDATED: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 12:20:52 PM

PORTAGE COUNTY -- A mother traveling from Detroit to Pittsburgh got into trouble in Portage County while trying to drive and breastfeed her baby at the same time.

Twenty-nine-year-old Catherine Donkers had fed the baby before she left Detroit but said her seven-month-old daughter was hungry again.

"I knew I was doing nothing wrong when I was breastfeeding her," Donkers said.

Donkers doesn't consider her actions excessively dangerous.

"I think there are lots of things we do when we put ourselves at risk, just by the very fact that I'm in a car and there's lots of car accidents every single day," she said. "I think it would be reasonable to say even that's a danger."

A truck driver apparently saw it as a danger and called the highway patrol. But Donkers wouldn't pull over for police until she got to a tollbooth.

"I've directed her to, that when she doesn't feel safe, she goes to a public place," said her husband, Brad Barnhill.

At the tollbooth, Donkers didn't give the trooper a driver's license. She instead pulled out an affidavit as identification and got cited for not having a license.

The couple also claims she did nothing wrong, saying Michigan law has an exemption to its child restraint law for nursing mothers.

They claim that since the turnpike is an interstate, drivers can follow the laws of their home state. But the highway patrol says that as long as the stop occurred in Ohio, they have to abide by Ohio laws.

The couple has done extensive research on the law and believes in a strict adherence to them. Donkers is facing child endangering and child seat violations among other charges. Her and her husband say they plan to fight all charges and will file a counter suit.

[mhking]

We cant outlaw stupidity

No, but we can protect ourselves from the stupidity of others.

[Catspaw]

This is a gem:

Note:  It appears that a U.S. citizen is different and distinct from a citizen of the United States.  I still have no authoritative citation on whether a citizen of the United States is the same as a Citizen of the United States of America.  Until I see otherwise, I am proceeding along the lines that I am neither a U.S. citizen nor a citizen of the United States.  Rather I am a Citizen of the states United.  
 

http://bradbva.home.mindspring.com/freedom/

Further down, it refers to his wife as "Cindy."  Unless "Cindy" is a nickname for "Catherine," it looks like he's a serial matrimonialist (if he believes in marriage, that is).

[mhking]

If he only "subscribes" to the Old Testament (and man's law - he's already cited Deuteronomy; i.e., part of the Levitical laws) and not the new, then there is no problem for him.

[FITZ]

What possibly could be so important that this woman was willing to risk her baby's life, her own life, and the life of all others on the road with her? She had options ---pull over to the side of the road, cancel her all-important trip, take a bus or fly. Risking everyones' lives for your own empty purposes is not acting without malice.

[mylife]

In one circumstance, the likelihood of harm, and the likely severity of such harm, is MUCH higher than the other. There comes a point when one's stupidity reaches the point of malice.

As I pointed out earlier (Or was that another thread on the same topic?) Shall we make IQ a punishable offense? what about skin color? religion? Political thought? or thought in general?

Malice is Intent..intent to harm.

[justshe]

Many hospitals file for SSN's for new babies automatically, now.

[scott7278]

This thread really saddens me -- that someone so obviously booksmart uses those smarts in such a prideful way to skirt the law while sporting a grin.

On top of that, not paying taxes and driving without a license while quoting "religious reasons" is such an affront to all that is decent and proper.

[PhiKapMom]

LOL! Probably going to need a few more rolls the way things are going!

[mylife]

No, but we can protect ourselves from the stupidity of others.

Can We?? Its a slippery slope my friend

[mhking]

I am proceeding along the lines that I am neither a U.S. citizen nor a citizen of the United States. Rather I am a Citizen of the states United.

"Welcome to the Department of Redundancy Department!"

[mhking]

Can We?? Its a slippery slope my friend

Motorcycle helmets.

[mylife]

What possibly could be so important that this woman was willing to risk her baby's life, her own life, and the life of all others on the road with her? She had options ---pull over to the side of the road, cancel her all-important trip, take a bus or fly. is not acting without malice.

Risking everyones' lives for your own empty purposes.....Yup she's a regular AXE MURDERER!! LOL

[mhking]

This thread has the makings of an all-time FR classic. Please take the time to read the entire thread. The husband of the woman pictured in the article joins us just before post number 50.

The conversation is priceless!

[scott7278]

I thought that, too, until I remembered that he quoted the Dordrecht Confession, which adheres to Christian principles (including the paying of taxes -- Article 13). He's really just a separatist in disguise.

[PhiKapMom]

I guess we shouldn't be paying taxes either -- we want our liberties!

Just think all of us are paying taxes for this nutcase!

[mhking]

He's really just a separatist in disguise.

Ah. Hadn't considered that one.

Fair enough.

[Catspaw]

Malice is Intent..intent to harm.

Malice and/or intent is not a requirement for a crime to occur. One example is involuntary manslaughter.

[mylife]

Can We?? Its a slippery slope my friend

Motorcycle helmets.

Let those who ride decide

[mhking]

Let those who ride decide

No argument, but I was pointing to a law designed to protect the rest of us from the "stupid" (in this case fiscally).

[wimpycat]

Should I buy stock in Reynolds Wrap?