Hillary Convinced Bill to Bomb Serbia

Truth In Media ^ | June 11, 2003 | Bob Djurdjevic

[uplandgame]

Remember the cover story "Madeleine's War" from a May 1999 TIME magazine edition? As you may recall, a popular opinion at the time was Madeleine Albright was the person the most responsible for the bombing of Serbia four years ago.

Well, think again. Without trying to exonerate or excuse Clinton's war-mongering secretary of state whose Serbo-phobia has been well documented and demonstrated, we want you to know that there may have been another woman who deserves at least part of the credit - Hillary Clinton.

The avalanche of publicity brought on by Hillary Clinton's new book, released this week, also washed up an old interview that has suddenly become very topical. Michael Savage, a national radio host, interviewed Gail Sheehy, author of a flattering Hillary biography, on December 18, 1999. Sheehy claimed in her book that it was Hillary, not "Madam Halfbright," who convinced Bill to bomb Serbia. So Savage took the author to task over that and the bogus "intelligence" upon which this bombing was "justified" to the American public.

Check out the following excerpt from the Savage interview if you want to see how Savage savaged this Hillary fan...

Excerpts from a Michael Savage December 18, 1999 radio interview with Gail Sheehy, author of the (flattering) book about Hillary Clinton, "Hillary's Choice:"

G. Sheehy: Hillary did persuade Bill Clinton to bomb in Kosovo, and what she said to him in phone calls over 48 hours from North Africa in March of ‘99: "You can’t let this ethnic cleansing go on at the end of the century that has seen the Holocaust."

M. Savage: But it turns out that was false because the original estimates of 100,000 were now reduced to 10,000 by the State Department, and yet the UN inspection team has only found 2,200 bodies. So this could turn out to be the greatest disaster of her, of her entire life.

G. Sheehy: Well, I don’t know about that. But we’re getting way, way far away from any...

M. Savage: Well, wait a minute, we’re not far away from the UN, which went to the ground, looked for the bodies, and found 2,200 dead bodies. This was one of the greatest war crimes of our age according to many international people who know that, including liberal democrats.

G. Sheehy: Well, I really don’t know what, whether, the facts have all come out. And I don’t think we will know for a while. It’s one of those ongoing stories...

M. Savage: No, it’s not. Here, wait a minute, before we go on, we can’t just say the facts don’t exist. The UN spent a lot of time looking for the mass graves. They said there were only about 2,200 bodies that were found. They don’t even know how many of those are Serbian bodies. And then just last week the State Department revised downward their 100,000 figure of dead Kosovar Albanians to 10,000 even though the UN only said 2,200. This is turning out... and I don’t think you, I don’t think you want to defend Hillary on this.

G. Sheehy: [Unintelligible] ... a small number. In any case,...

M. Savage: But does that, wait, does that justify bombing an entire nation into the stone age?

G. Sheehy: Wait, wait. We, they didn’t, they didn’t bomb it into the stone age...

M. Savage: There are no bridges left on the Danube River. The people have no heating oil; they have no food.

G. Sheehy: I’m not going to sit here and debate with you the rightness and the wrongness of the bombing in Kosovo. All I’m telling you is what I know. That’s all I can tell you.

M. Savage: But what you don’t know is that there is more to it than what you do know.

G. Sheehy: Well, Hillary and you and the American public did not know any of this at that time...

M. Savage: Yes, we did. I beg... Excuse, excuse me, Gail Sheehy, many Jewish people who had been sheltered by the Serbian people were on this program and were outraged that we were killing our allies who rescued our airmen in World War II. We got people on who were former prosecutors at Nuernberg against Hitler, on this program, liberal Democrats, going back to FDR, who were outraged at what the Clintons had done with our airplanes, giving them to NATO. So don’t say that we didn’t know. We knew it even then.

G. Sheehy: No, we didn’t know. They...

M. Savage: How can you tell us we didn’t know, when we debated it here?

G. Sheehy: Well, they didn’t have observers; they didn’t even have UN observers at that point...

M. Savage: So how did they make up a hundred thousand?

G. Sheehy: Conditions were so severe they couldn’t even keep... they pulled out the UN observers -- if you remember.

M. Savage: So how did they raise it to a hundred thousand if they didn’t know?

G. Sheehy: I don’t know. That’s the reporting that we had at that time.

M. Savage: In other words, it was propaganda that Hillary Clinton used. It was propaganda that Hillary Clinton used in order to justify the unjustifiable.

G. Sheehy: They didn’t know any better than you knew.

M. Savage: Oh, they didn’t know any better than I did, and they’re the president and his wife. So what does that say about them?

G. Sheehy: Well, what did they know about the Los Alamos spying?

M. Savage: What did they know about it? Aren’t they supposed to know about it? What the hell are they doing there?

G. Sheehy: There’s a lot of agencies, and they often don’t do their job, do they? Whether it’s the FBI or the CIA, they often don’t do their job very well.

M. Savage: Well, it sounds like you’re apologizing for every one of their mistakes.

G. Sheehy: I’m not apologizing for any of their mistakes. I’m saying to you that at the time, in March ‘99, this whole country was in a dilemna about what to do about what appeared to be a massive, minor holocaust in Kosovo.

M. Savage: Wait a minute. What do you mean "it appeared to be"? It was a complete fabrication of the KLA. It was propaganda pure and simple.

G. Sheehy: It wasn’t a complete fabrication. 10,000 people...

M. Savage: No, Mam. It was not 10,000. I just told you they only found 2,200 bodies...

G. Sheehy: But you said 10,000...

M. Savage: No, I said the State Department revised their figure from 100,000 down to 10,000, when the UN says there were only 2,200. The State Department is notorious for lying.

G. Sheehy: Alright, so there are two figures there, the 2,200 and the 10,000. That’s why the... I don’t know that the...

M. Savage: So wait a minute. Again, I don’t want to turn the whole show into that...

G. Sheehy: This is not about Hillary’s Choice. This is about your problem with Kosovo. So you can argue about...

M. Savage: No, No, but you’re...

G. Sheehy: I don’t know anything about Kosovo. Let me just put that right out there.

M. Savage: Alright, I know a lot about Kosovo...

G. Sheehy: ...Hillary convinced the president to bomb, and that’s my contribution.

M. Savage: OK.

G. Sheehy: Don’t you want to talk about the book?

M. Savage: Before we go on, I want to say this. In your book you say it was Hillary who pushed the president into bombing Kosovo, correct?

G. Sheehy: I said she convinced him to do it.

M. Savage: OK, but if it turns out that she was doing it based upon wrong information, what would that make of her in your mind?

G. Sheehy: Well, I don’t have any... I’m not going to speculate. I don’t know that you’ll ever find out what information she or the president had. Nobody ever comes up with those things. I’m not going to speculate on that.

M. Savage: But you’re speculating on the fact that Hillary did it based on good information.

G. Sheehy: I’m going to tell you this: Hillary Clinton, for her many flaws and foibles, which every human being has, is a person who, who is honest and who acts on her convictions. In this case, I believe that her conviction was that this was a massive ethnic-cleansing campaign that was killing innocent...

M. Savage: But what if it turns out it was all propaganda?

G. Sheehy: She, I don’t believe that she would have done it. Why would she want to risk the presidency doing something based on propaganda?

M. Savage: Well, yeah, let me ask you this. Have there been no other people in history who have done things, either mistakenly or on purpose, for other reasons than they appear to be doing them for?

G. Sheehy: Look, I’m not going to speculate on this. It’s just lunacy. We don’t know any more, you don’t know any more and...

M. Savage: Excuse me, you keep putting words in my mouth. I know an awful lot about Kosovo. You may know nothing about Kosovo.

G. Sheehy: ...You can’t get anything out of me because I don’t know anything more...

M. Savage: Alright, so you don’t know anything about Kosovo. I know a lot about Kosovo...

G. Sheehy: That’s great. Then you should lecture on Kosovo...

M. Savage: I have done many lectures on Kosovo. But I’m asking you how it is that Hillary Clinton could take a figure like 100,000 people, push the president into bombing Kosovo, and get away with it? Isn’t there some kind of connection between that and a massive government-media-complex cover-up? Why don’t they go there and investigate it like the UN has?

G. Sheehy: Look, they thought, like many people thought at the time, that this could not go on at the end of the century that had seen the Holocaust. That...

M. Savage: But there was no holocaust.

G. Sheehy: ...the rape of women and children because they were of a certain ethnic background...

M. Savage: OK, how about the Serbs being killed now? How about the Serbs being killed now by the Kosovar Albanians?

G. Sheehy: I don’t want to talk about this any more. If you want to talk about Hillary’s Choice, we can continue the conversation...

M. Savage: But what about the holocaust against the Serbs right now?

G. Sheehy: You know, you want me to be funny? Why don’t you let me tell a funny story.

M. Savage: I think you’re being very funny right now.

[flamefront]

So Hilary, we know, liked to kiss Suha Arafat and the Palestineans as well. Here we see her involvement but not any clear picture why. I would speculate that more than the motivation to help cure 'ethnic cleansing' resulting from faked NRO mass grave reconnaissance is going on here. Recall the "I'll take domestic." statement of Hillary. She would clearly do such things as bombing Kosovo purely for domestic political distraction and spin.

[Sparta]

Just confirms what I suspected about the Clintons, Hillary was the one with balls.

[DannyTN]

"With all due respect, I find Hoplite only being interested in obfuscation and denial when it comes to Balkan. "

So I see. It certainly looks like he is intentionally being deceptive.

[DannyTN]

Thanks for the article. The author makes some good points on immigration. I was not surprised that, in light of the article, the map doesn't quite speak the same as when it was thrown out by itself to make the author appear racist and discredit him.

[El Sordo]

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[Destro]

The map was satire as a warning against Balkanization of America. Nice try.

[Hoplite]

You are putting forth an article that refers to 100,000 missing, when the original article, which you are being tasked with verifying, refers to claims of 100,000 dead.

Do you understand the issue here?

Doesn't seem like it - you're using a misquotation or misrepresentation to discredit the original source.

[Hoplite]

Would you please reveal your sources regarding those 5000 bodies exhumed in Kosovo?

4211 recovered in Kosovo by Jan of 2002
Killings and Refugee Flow in Kosovo March - June 1999  (Page 25, .pdf)

KURSUMLIJA -- Monday – Some 900 bodies have been exhumed so far from mass graves in Serbian territory, says the Coordination Centre for Kosovo.Source

I don't have to try anything fast, Upland - both the Freezer Truck and Racak and their aftermath only point to lies emanating from the Milosevic camp - Milosevic is charged with a smaller subset of the whole because the stronger evidence in those instances warranted inclusion in the indictment, rather than the court going through the evidence for each and every corpse that could be laid at his feet.

[DannyTN]

I understand the guy is claiming he only said they were "missing". But Nato and Clinton used his number to say they were "missing and may have been murdered". The impression given to the public at the time by Clinton and NATO officials was of a massacre. And nobody corrected it.

Well they were wrong! There was not 100,000 murdered. There was not 10,000 murdered.

http://www.counterpunch.org/biglie.html
http://chiffonrouge.org/resistance/article.php3?id_article=132
http://www.balkanpeace.org/monitor/mgen12.html

[Hoplite]

Perhaps you should read the article before you put your two cents in, Destro - I know it's not your style to actually have a clue as to what you're talking about, I'm just saying it would be a nice change.

What’s happening in Bosnia is going to happen in the United States.

As a bonus, Destro, why don't you figure out where you'll live in Bob's hypothetical future. Doesn't seem to be any "Orthodoxland" does there?

[DannyTN]

"The map was satire as a warning against Balkanization of America. Nice try. "

Had I not instantly seen through his ploy, I would have felt "lefted".

[kosta50]

The map was satire as a warning against Balkanization of America. Nice try

Hoplite always uses this example of Bob's "foolishness." Boring!

You's think soemone with a Greek pseudonym would understand satire...hmmm.

[Hoplite]

If you'll recall, we were thinking upwards of 7,000 people died in the WTC attacks - figure you'll be using the same line of argument you're using here in that case any time soon?

As better information became available, the number was revised down - just as happened in Kosovo.

Why is this so hard for you to grasp? You comment to Destro that you're afraid of being 'lefted', but you've climbed into bed with the Serbian Socialist Party and all it's associated scum on this one.

Think about it.

In the meantime, if you wish to pursue this, either find a quote supporting what the original article on this thread puts forth, or acknowledge the author is misrepresenting the facts.

And try to make that an original quote - not something you dredge up from the World Socialist Web Site or some other such nonsense, Ok?

[DannyTN]

"If you'll recall, we were thinking upwards of 7,000 people died in the WTC attacks - figure you'll be using the same line of argument you're using here in that case any time soon?"

Initial estimates were much higher than that. But there is a big difference. We knew an unjust atrocity had occurred in the WTC attacks. We could see it. The attack was never in question, the unjustness was never in question, only the body count. And it was quickly revised downward as information came available. That it was lower than what any reasonable man would have guessed was great and indicative of some divine protection still afforded us.

In the serbia situation we were relying on the politicians who were telling us that "genocide" was occuring. "100,000 missing and may have been murdered". That indeed made the Serbian Socialist party look like scum.

But what if the Socialists were fighting against Islamic terrorists? Which is what they claimed. A couple of thousand killed in battle could be completely explainable as deaths in a just war against terrorists.

you've climbed into bed with the Serbian Socialist Party and all it's associated scum on this one.

I'm not fond of socialists. Socialism is a failed economic model and is stupid. I am less fond of dictated socialism like the Soviets as opposed to democratic socialism like the French. It's still a stupid model but the people chose it.

But I'm not sure that the Serbian socialists were murderers instead of defenders. We know there are elements in Islam that are murderous, terrorist and expansionary. Which of the two, the Socialist or the Islamists, were more evil? I don't know.

Find a quote.

One of the links I posted last quoted Secretary of State Cohen as saying "100,000 missing and may have been murdered". The facts are pretty clear, from both the Times article and the Boston Globe as well as the other links. They led us to believe a huge massacre had occurred, when it hadn't.

[DannyTN]

Just in case I wasn't clear. The point being that if "mass genocide" was occuring, then the Socialist's position is unquestionably "unjust".

However, it turns out to be a couple of thousand and that can possibly be explained by a "just" war against terrorists.

So that put's us in the position that the NATO and Clinton polititians clearly exaggerated and possibly outright lied. Which means we have to consider the possiblitiy that the Socialist's were in fact telling the truth.

It may be that the socialists were lying and are guilty of murder and war crimes although not as large as our politicians led us to believe. It may also be that the Socialists are guilty only of being socialists and not of war crimes.

[getoffmylawn]

It may be that the socialists were lying and are guilty of murder and war crimes although not as large as our politicians led us to believe. It may also be that the Socialists are guilty only of being socialists and not of war crimes.

I think this was the scenerio. I've talked to Serbian MUPs that were in Kosovo during all of this. They had very strict orders not to harm any Albanians that were not hurting any Serbs. That being said, they also claimed that many Albanians were killed and trucked out. Serbian intelligence knew very well where the KLA cells were operating and which Albanian clans were supporting them. I assume they weren't shone much mercy when Serb forces happened upon them.

Ironicly, they claim that many more Albanians (I'm going to assume innocent) would have been killed if Milosevic weren't so vehemently opposed to attacks on just any Albanians.

So, we've got regular Serb forces fighting the KLA and dodging NATO's bombs, the KLA fighting Serb forces and any group of Albanians loyal to Serbia or opposed to the KLA, Serb paramilitary and militia groups fighting anything Albanian, NATO acting as the KLA's airforce, and the US State Department shovelling crap to the US public via the media.

There were war crimes committed (has there ever been a war when there wasn't any war crimes committed?) We were lied to in regards to what degree and exactly what was actually going on on the ground.

One US State Department official I spoke to claims we got involved in Bosnia because something had to be done to stop the fighting (I disagree with him, but that's another story) but our reasons for getting involved in Kosovo were stricly political. I bought the guy a few drinks and tried to pry more information out of him, but he wouldn't expound.

[Destro]

yea and to stress his point-you had this discussion before Hoplite--you posted that same map once before--her gave an example of Balkanization. By the way--Levar Burton (Star Trek's Geordi) wrote a whole novel about this future possibility.

As for the Orthodoxia---Why Alaska of course! Orthodox Christianity is the native religion of the natives there!

[Destro]

F'ing! A! That's what I call talk friggin radio!!!!

[Destro]

Is my lefted going to become hugh?

[DannyTN]

"Is my lefted going to become hugh? "

It's a series candidate.