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1 posted on 06/19/2003 8:29:45 AM PDT by Korth
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Seeing as this came from lewrockwell.com, I was surprised to read that the author did not blame modern dating and courtship problems on Abraham Lincoln.
2 posted on 06/19/2003 8:35:46 AM PDT by egarvue (Martin Sheen is not my president...)
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To read later.
3 posted on 06/19/2003 8:39:45 AM PDT by savedbygrace
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I am a romantic, I married my high school sweetheart. I haven't stopped "dating" her. I was infatuated with in in the 9th grade (1979) and we were on our first outing the next year. I have been with her since and do not see life with out her.

I have a daughter and 3 sons, each are learning how to have long term relationships, that it is a slow process to learn about someone, but even if you just meet someone, you can marry and make a relationship work.

Love is what you do, not how you feel!

We just had our 18th wedding anniversary, and we have been together 24 years! We are only 37 (38 this year)years with our birthdays 16 days apart (same year).

Relationships are a work of art and need time to produce.

5 posted on 06/19/2003 8:43:19 AM PDT by Zavien Doombringer (If the method to fix something is easy, there must be something wrong! Start a commitee!)
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Feminism drivel in the guise of conservatism. Notice that the article was written in a way in which the writer (who is female) puts the blame on the boys for these girls losing their virginity.

Now to give the writer credit, she did try to talk the girls out of having sex, but at the end of the day, after these girl lost their virginity (by free choose), she blamed the boys and not the girls themselves for losing their virginity.

7 posted on 06/19/2003 8:48:10 AM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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bump for later reading
8 posted on 06/19/2003 8:50:12 AM PDT by goodnesswins (FR - the truth, and nothing but the truth.........getting to the bottom of journalistic bias.)
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Unfortunately, by the end of first semester, nearly all of them had become sexually active and were now nursing broken hearts, unplanned pregnancies or STDs

These women were way too stupid to be going to college.

So9

9 posted on 06/19/2003 8:52:18 AM PDT by Servant of the Nine (A Goldwater Republican)
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bump 4 later
19 posted on 06/19/2003 9:20:14 AM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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To: Korth; homeschool mama; McLynnan; mtngrl@vrwc; Mo1; JoysKid; Lauratealeaf
I Kissed Dating Goodbye written by Joshua Harris. This is a great book for young adults interested in learning how to pull back from dating.

This IS a good book, and dating for teens these days is a BAD idea.

It's artificial in the first place, and doesn't help you "know what you are looking for in a spouse." Being friends in groups with both sexes is far better for that.

And more important, this sex-charged society is dangerous for teens. They need all the help they can get to avoid situations where their morals might too easily be compromised.

I don't know the author's intent, but the bottom line is correct.

23 posted on 06/19/2003 10:08:32 AM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004!!!! Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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We elevate predatory sexual behavior calling it "playing the field" and say we are following our animal instincts. I have yet to see an animal mate out of anything but an instinctual drive to procreate. As it is, we have sunk lower than the animals since we don’t even want to discuss that sex is procreative anymore. This is dating. "For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their foolish hearts were darkened. Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools…."(Romans 1: 21-22)

Don't stop there! Verse 24 says, "Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them." This is sex outside of marriage!!
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{ping} You likely won't see this for another week-and-a-half. But, when you return, take a look. I think it's an excellent article.

25 posted on 06/19/2003 10:09:28 AM PDT by newgeezer (fundamentalist, regarding the Constitution AND the Holy Bible, i.e. WORDS MEAN THINGS)
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I've always felt that dating should lead to marriage or what's the point?
36 posted on 06/19/2003 10:50:08 AM PDT by Question_Assumptions
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One by one these girls came to me, after only a few months at college, wrestling with the desire of their new college boyfriends to be physical with them.

I have never ever ever heard of a college student who sought out their Resident Advisor for help with sexual decisions.

I thought they were just there to sneak beer past.

37 posted on 06/19/2003 10:52:16 AM PDT by dead
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To quote a great band, Good Charlotte (and this is a kicking video) - "Girls don't like boys, girls like cars and money...."
43 posted on 06/19/2003 11:21:29 AM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine (my other tagline is witty and rich with content)
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I am a middle-aged Christian man, so I have no dispute with the idea of not having sex outside of marriage.

I have lots of comments, but the first thing that struck me is Ms. Carson does not say how she met her husband and what happened during their courtship. Also she and her husband did not seem to know each other very long prior to marriage and having only been married for a very short time, she hardly has experienced enough to really know if she ought to be considered an authority on dating.

Her problems with dating seem to be more related to not dating smart rather than not dating. If aperson isn't dating smart, I can see why not dating at all would be better until one learns how to do it right.
49 posted on 06/19/2003 11:34:17 AM PDT by connectthedots
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SITREP
53 posted on 06/19/2003 11:36:49 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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With all this new-fangled "dating" going on, our children hardly have time to sharpen their scythe blades! This business will lead to sex, and before you know it, even dancing.

True love and happiness comes on your wedding day. When you pull back the bridal veil and see, for the very first time, your 11-year old cousin.

64 posted on 06/19/2003 11:52:26 AM PDT by IowaHawk
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Ping for later!
91 posted on 06/19/2003 12:17:21 PM PDT by TruthConquers
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While I cannot, at this time, give a concrete and historical dissertation on courtship, I can recommend several books that I have read and two that I am currently reading on the subject. Starting with the ones I have read:

Two books is not several. This gal seems to fit the stereotype of an expert: Someone from out of town.

Passion and Purity, Quest for Love – both by author Elisabeth Elliot. The first book deals with her own courtship experience with her late husband Jim Elliot, and the latter focuses more on general courtship practices and answers specific questions for how to proceed in our current atmosphere.

I've read this book, and I am opposed to sex outside of marriage. Even so, having read this book, Jim Elliot comes across as a bit of a wack-job in the area relationships. The fact that he and Elizabeth were missionaries and he was murdered while in the mission field does not make her an expert on dating. Any gal that would put up with the way he treated her during dating and courtship might possibly have a problem or two of her own to deal with. On the other hand their personalities and single-minded focus on missions seemed to fit them well.

From my reading of the book, I would be surprised if their marriage involved much sexual passion. She certainly didn't talk about it, and any Christian book on dating and marriage ought to discuss sexual passion within marriage as endorsed and encouraged by God. Eliott writes almost as if sex in marriage doesn't exist. Maybe they were sexually passionate. If so, she should have discussed that area as well.

I Kissed Dating Goodbye written by Joshua Harris. This is a great book for young adults interested in learning how to pull back from dating.

I've read this book too, and thought Harris' reasoning was not only unrealistic, but likely emotionally unhealthy as well. There is no question that it has been widely read, so much so that Cloud and Townsend in their Boundaries in Dating discuss it at length in their introduction.

Cloud and Townsend do agree with Harris that some people should not be dating because they are not emotionally capable of handling it. Dating is not the problem, it is the maturity, selection of dates, and the way one dates that create problems. Anyone who bases their future marriage on Harris' book is not as likely to be as happy in the end as one who uses Boundaries in Datind.

Two other excellent books are Finding the Love of Your Life and Date or Soul-Mate: How to Determine if Someone is Worth Pursuing in Two Dates or Less", both by Neil Clarke Warren.

There is also a book titled The Book of Romance by Nelson. Excellent Christian book on the subject of dating, marriage and sexual passion within marriage.

99 posted on 06/19/2003 12:24:29 PM PDT by connectthedots
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100 posted on 06/19/2003 12:24:59 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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She's 100% right. I dated, and it was miserable. When I met my wife, her family believed in courtship, where I would spend time with my wife and her family at first. After a period of time, when it was obvious we had fallen in love, we went outside of the home on "dates" (for lack of better word) and were engaged and married shortly thereafter.

Dating was something invented by the lower classes, as they did not have parlors for visitations like the rich people did. Has caused nothing but severe emotional distress for our nation's youth. Not surprised at all by the illegitimacy and divorce rates once I understood this basic evil.

102 posted on 06/19/2003 12:36:12 PM PDT by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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bttt
142 posted on 06/19/2003 2:23:03 PM PDT by 4Godsoloved..Hegave
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