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Church tosses defiant minister: He refused to stop performing gay marriages
The Cincinnati Enquirer ^ | Tuesday, June 17, 2003 | Andrea Uhde

Posted on 06/17/2003 5:27:26 PM PDT by HatSteel

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Kyla Ford and Eryn Robinson, both 7 and of Anderson Township, hold a sign in support of Rev. Stephen Van Kuiken at Lakeside Presbyterian Church Monday.


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FORT MITCHELL - The Rev. Stephen Van Kuiken was formally renounced by the Presbytery of Cincinnati on Monday for continuing to perform same-sex marriages.

The action, taken by a voting body made up of minister members and elder commissioners in the Presbytery, means the pastor of the Mount Auburn Presbyterian Church can no longer serve as a minister and loses his church membership.

The vote was 119-45, with four voters abstaining.

"I'm sad, and I'm disappointed," Van Kuiken said after the vote. "This is a sad day. This is an issue that is going to continue to stay at the surface of the Presbyterian Church."

Van Kuiken was unsure of his next action. He said he will take some time to re-evaluate what he will do. He is considering filing a complaint with the Synod of the Presbyterian Church USA, claiming his due process rights were violated because he had an appeal pending on an earlier rebuke.

"It's important for me to be true to myself and be true to what my beliefs are about God," he said.

Van Kuiken's case has been closely watched across the country as Presbyterians - who also ban gay clergy - and other faiths continue to debate the roles of gays and lesbians in the church.

In the denomination's first ecclesiastical trial on the issue, Van Kuiken was found guilty in April of marrying gays and lesbians. He was given a public rebuke and told not to do it again. He wed two women on May 17.

The voting body met at the Lakeside Presbyterian Church in Fort Mitchell after a vigil supporting Van Kuiken.

"I just think it was unavoidable," said Howard Smith, one of the voters in favor of the renunciation. "His actions made the action necessary by the Presbytery unless they want to totally disregard the (church) constitution."

A number of members of Mount Auburn Presbyterian attended Monday's vote and the vigil.

"I think it's a travesty what they're doing," said Terrell Lackey. "Being a gay man and a black man, too, I can't believe the world is still the way it is. Cincinnati is sad."

About one-third of the 280 members of the Mount Auburn church are gay.

This is the first time the Presbytery of Cincinnati has removed a minister for performing same-sex marriages, and possibly the first case in any Presbytery nationwide.

Presbyteries don't have to report such cases to the Presbyterian Church USA, but the organization isn't aware of others, said Laurie Griffith, manager of judicial process and social witness at the Presbyterian Church USA in Louisville.

Van Kuiken's rebuke in April was the lightest of possible punishments.

He also faces accusations, including blasphemy, from a California lawyer who filed the original complaints against him.

Van Kuiken could become a church member again, but he would have to restart the process if he wants to be a minister again, said the Rev. Melissa Bane Sevier, Presbytery moderator.

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E-mail auhde@enquirer.com


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: culture; gay; homosexual; homosexuality; marriage; presbyterian; samesexunion
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1 posted on 06/17/2003 5:27:27 PM PDT by HatSteel
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can no longer serve as a minister and loses his church membership.

I understand loss of ministerial credentials, but I thought anyone could be a member in this church. Guess not.

If one third of the members are gay, does that mean they'll be kicked out, too? I'm not presbyterian, so I don't know their rules.

2 posted on 06/17/2003 5:30:40 PM PDT by HatSteel
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"It's important for me to be true to myself and be true to what my beliefs are about God," he said.

True to myself, eh? What could be more Presbyterian (USA style) than that? And as for "God," well, whatever your beliefs about that are . . .

3 posted on 06/17/2003 5:31:18 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: HatSteel
Meanswhile, the Presbyterian Church in America reaffirms that marriage is between one man and one woman. This declaration is not made for church policy, but for a witness to the world on PCA standards.

The PCUSA finally made a stand on homosexuality....

4 posted on 06/17/2003 5:33:57 PM PDT by Gamecock (PCA flavored Swarming Calvinist)
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To: madprof98
US Presbyterian comes in different shapes and sizes, but I'm pretty much uninformed about mainline Presbyterianism.

At a minimum, I guess they believe in kicking this guy out. "God" is part of presbyterianism still, I think.....but I'm not sure He's a full member.
6 posted on 06/17/2003 5:35:45 PM PDT by HatSteel
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To: Gamecock
See my #6.

How many US denominations have "presbyterian" in their name? How many of them are over about 250,000 people?
7 posted on 06/17/2003 5:37:40 PM PDT by HatSteel
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This is a sad day.

NO, this is a GREAT day!

This man has been defiant of everything Presbyterian doctrine, consistant with Scripture, stands for.

As a member of the Session of a strong, evangelical Presbyterian church in Ohio, which seeks to honor the Lord, and the truth of God's Word, I applaud this decision.

I believe that God is at work in the Presbyterian Church to bring it back to truth and holiness. Satan is still at work obviously, but there are many praying members of the PC USA who desire their denomination to once again uphold the truths of Scripture.

9 posted on 06/17/2003 5:39:35 PM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004!!!! Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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Not so with the majority, madprof. The noisy minority get all the press.
10 posted on 06/17/2003 5:41:02 PM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004!!!! Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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Can you answer my questions at #7?

12 posted on 06/17/2003 5:43:17 PM PDT by HatSteel
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I've heard about them. I don't think that godhatesfags does justice to the nature of God.
13 posted on 06/17/2003 5:44:49 PM PDT by HatSteel
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I understand loss of ministerial credentials, but I thought anyone could be a member in this church. Guess not.

Gays can be members. If the church said members must be free of sin, the pews would be empty. I would hope they would attend and grow in faith.

The reporter probably confused membership in the clergy with membership in the church. The church does not recognize gay marriage and this minister would not stop performing them.

The PCUSA also requires that ordained ministers be married or celebate singles; thus practicing gays may not be ordained.

14 posted on 06/17/2003 5:50:25 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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7, probably 2
15 posted on 06/17/2003 5:50:32 PM PDT by Gamecock (PCA flavored Swarming Calvinist)
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Yeah PCA churches are great. If you are a man. Women can't be ministers, elders or deacons.

Yup, we're the intolerant ones! (If you consider holding to Bible teaching is intolerant that is)

16 posted on 06/17/2003 5:52:13 PM PDT by Gamecock (PCA flavored Swarming Calvinist)
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To: HatSteel
The Presbyterian Church, USA is the largest, and the Prebyterian Church of America, next, I believe, both with over 250,000.

The Orthodox Presbyterian is fairly large, but I don't know how big.

I don't know a whole lot about the rest because I spent most of my life as a Baptist, and there are a zillion kinds of Baptists! :o)

17 posted on 06/17/2003 5:54:18 PM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004!!!! Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: Gamecock
Some subject to debate about the role of women, Gamecock......even among equally dedicated evangelical Christians.
19 posted on 06/17/2003 5:55:58 PM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH 2004!!!! Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: HatSteel
Congratulations Presbyterians
20 posted on 06/17/2003 5:56:17 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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