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Powerful Senator Endorses Destroying Computers of Illegal Downloaders (Orrin Hatch)
AP ^ | 6/17/03 | Ted Bridis

Posted on 06/17/2003 2:54:06 PM PDT by Jean S

WASHINGTON (AP) - The chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee said Tuesday he favors developing new technology to remotely destroy the computers of people who illegally download music from the Internet.

The surprise remarks by Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, during a hearing on copyright abuses represent a dramatic escalation in the frustrating battle by industry executives and lawmakers in Washington against illegal music downloads.

During a discussion on methods to frustrate computer users who illegally exchange music and movie files over the Internet, Hatch asked technology executives about ways to damage computers involved in such file trading. Legal experts have said any such attack would violate federal anti-hacking laws.

"No one is interested in destroying anyone's computer," replied Randy Saaf of MediaDefender Inc., a secretive Los Angeles company that builds technology to disrupt music downloads. One technique deliberately downloads pirated material very slowly so other users can't.

"I'm interested," Hatch interrupted. He said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights."

The senator acknowledged Congress would have to enact an exemption for copyright owners from liability for damaging computers. He endorsed technology that would twice warn a computer user about illegal online behavior, "then destroy their computer."

"If we can find some way to do this without destroying their machines, we'd be interested in hearing about that," Hatch said. "If that's the only way, then I'm all for destroying their machines. If you have a few hundred thousand of those, I think people would realize" the seriousness of their actions, he said.

"There's no excuse for anyone violating copyright laws," Hatch said.

Rep. Rick Boucher, D-Va., who has been active in copyright debates in Washington, urged Hatch to reconsider. Boucher described Hatch's role as chairman of the Judiciary Committee as "a very important position, so when Senator Hatch indicates his views with regard to a particular subject, we all take those views very seriously."

Some legal experts suggested Hatch's provocative remarks were more likely intended to compel technology and music executives to work faster toward ways to protect copyrights online than to signal forthcoming legislation.

"It's just the frustration of those who are looking at enforcing laws that are proving very hard to enforce," said Orin Kerr, a former Justice Department cybercrimes prosecutor and associate professor at George Washington University law school.

The entertainment industry has gradually escalated its fight against Internet file-traders, targeting the most egregious pirates with civil lawsuits. The Recording Industry Association of America recently won a federal court decision making it significantly easier to identify and track consumers - even those hiding behind aliases - using popular Internet file-sharing software.

Kerr predicted it was "extremely unlikely" for Congress to approve a hacking exemption for copyright owners, partly because of risks of collateral damage when innocent users might be wrongly targeted.

"It wouldn't work," Kerr said. "There's no way of limiting the damage."

Last year, Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., ignited a firestorm across the Internet over a proposal to give the entertainment industry new powers to disrupt downloads of pirated music and movies. It would have lifted civil and criminal penalties against entertainment companies for disabling, diverting or blocking the trading of pirated songs and movies on the Internet.

But Berman, ranking Democrat on the House Judiciary panel on the Internet and intellectual property, always has maintained that his proposal wouldn't permit hacker-style attacks by the industry on Internet users.

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On the Net: Sen. Hatch: http://hatch.senate.gov

AP-ES-06-17-03 1716EDT


TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: copyright; cyberattack; cyberwar; download; filesharing; grokster; hatch; kazaa; krusgnet; mp3; napster; orrinhatch; riaa; rickboucher; rino; tyranny
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To: JeanS
"I'm interested," Hatch interrupted. He said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights."

Would he endorse blowing out the tires of speeders to teach them about speed limits?

-PJ

221 posted on 06/17/2003 8:20:12 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: TomGuy
whatever it is it is not copyright theft
222 posted on 06/17/2003 8:21:17 PM PDT by Destro (Know your enemy! Help fight Islamic terrorisim by visiting www.johnathangaltfilms.com)
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To: JeanS
>>>"I'm interested," Hatch interrupted. He said damaging someone's computer "may be the only way you can teach somebody about copyrights."

Orrin, Orrin, Orrin.

Time for you to retire. LOL

223 posted on 06/17/2003 8:22:17 PM PDT by Reagan Man
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To: TomGuy
Downloading songs may be theft, not copyright violation, unless the downloader repackages and sells the song as the downloader's own. Downloading songs should be under theft crimes, not copyright crimes.

I wonder what the Founding Fathers would have thought of the notion that a restauranteur has to pay for permission to sing songs for guests, even when no transcription of the music is involved.

224 posted on 06/17/2003 8:23:44 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: agitator
......and remembers the utter wasteland that lies betwixt his ears.
225 posted on 06/17/2003 8:26:49 PM PDT by jeremiah (Sunshine scares all of them, for they all are cockaroaches)
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To: cherry_bomb88
Whatever you fear the Dems will do, the Republicans actually will be the ones to spearhead the thing........and vice versa.....count on it.
226 posted on 06/17/2003 8:29:28 PM PDT by jeremiah (Sunshine scares all of them, for they all are cockaroaches)
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To: Charles Martel
"they can expect cyber-reprisals"

If they wiped out years of someone's work on a hard drive,
what makes you think that an adequate reprisal would be limited to a cyber reprisal?
227 posted on 06/17/2003 8:38:28 PM PDT by John Beresford Tipton
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To: jpl
I would love to know how one goes about remotely "destroying a computer".

Maybe not destroy the computer but it is very easy to erradicate all the data or hose the BIOS. Very easy.

228 posted on 06/17/2003 8:42:19 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: Bella_Bru; KneelBeforeZod
He's so gayyyyyyyyyyy.

Seriously I've heard rumors for years that he is.

This is soooo gay of him to do.

229 posted on 06/17/2003 9:32:48 PM PDT by I_Love_My_Husband
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To: rwfromkansas
Heck, I would vote against my senator for this reason alone if he voted for it and I don't care that he is Republican.

Try having a gutless turd like voinavich for a senator... I WILL be voting against him next time around, even though he is a republican. These people are NOT our friends. And I'm finished with these nit-wits who piss and moan about handing power over to the democrats. With republicans like these, who needs democrats?!

You know what the big difference between the democrats and republicans?... If the democrats proposed a bill to immediately scrap the Bill of Rights, the republicans would quickly denounce it in favor of their plan to phase it out over the next three years.

230 posted on 06/17/2003 9:39:19 PM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: JeanS
Why is Hatch helping the democrats?
Statements like Hatch's are part of the reason that Republicans are the minority party.
This gets ZERO votes for the Republicans, but
it turns millions of 20-somethings into enemies.
Hatch is insane.
231 posted on 06/17/2003 9:41:40 PM PDT by greasepaint
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To: JeanS
Does Scottish Law permit this?
232 posted on 06/17/2003 9:44:49 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: oldironsides
Could that lead to car squashing for speeders? This could be a big thing for car sales. Use a car to break the law and the police send it to the special yard for vehicles that offend.

Why not crush the car with the driver inside? That would permanently end the perp's speeding and provide a boon to the undertakig industry as well. And why not have the computer discharge a high-voltage charge to the keyboard and terminate the music downloader as well as the computer? Makes sense to me. Hatch = Booby Hatch.

233 posted on 06/17/2003 9:49:29 PM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham
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To: JeanS
This is not about illegal downloads, its about one year subscriptions to software like the proposed Microsoft Distribution - if your subscription times out your PC can then be disabled, prompting you to return to the subscription or reload your "NEW" O/S or software package!!! MP3's my ass:)
234 posted on 06/17/2003 9:59:34 PM PDT by Jumper
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To: glock rocks
This is one of the strangest things Orrin has proposed. The music industry needs to learn to use the Internet, not destroy computers. I think I need to place a call...
235 posted on 06/17/2003 10:06:14 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: TomGuy
No offense, but you're sort of, um, talking out your arse.

Downloading a song without permission of the copyright holder is infringement of copyright. Violating copyright is not contingent on "repackaging" or "selling a song" as one's own.

Look closely at the word "copyright" for a moment. It is the exclusive RIGHT to COPY. Downloading a song -- i.e., making a copy -- is a violation of that exclusive right. To bring it close to home: so is the rash of posting copyrighted articles that occurs here at Free Republic.

There are valid arguments to be made on both sides of the copyright issue. But the debate would be better served if people would take the time to understand the basics of the whole thing. I don't think I've ever seen more uninformed commentary on any topic than I continually see regarding copyright matters.
236 posted on 06/17/2003 10:13:51 PM PDT by wizzler
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To: wizzler
Look closely at the word "copyright" for a moment. It is the exclusive RIGHT to COPY.

If a restauranteur has his employees sing a copyrighted song like the retroactively-recopyrighted "Happy Birthday" without paying ASCAP their dues, exactly what "copying" has occurred to justify ASCAP's claims of copyright infringement?

237 posted on 06/17/2003 10:18:21 PM PDT by supercat (TAG--you're it!)
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To: Myrddin
Just wait till first monitor overheats and catchs fire and grandma and some little childrens burn up toasty...will make dumbf**k look really really bright. Music industry be sucking on class action law suits then.
238 posted on 06/17/2003 10:44:41 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: MD_Willington_1976
True can...but class action lawsuit should give music corps pause....can they afford even worse sales?
239 posted on 06/17/2003 10:48:03 PM PDT by RussianConservative (Hristos: the Light of the World)
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To: JeanS
If this is more of what we get from GOP control of all three branches, it's a sound argument for split government.

Hatch is, at best, senile. This kind of stupidity cannot be rewarded by re-electing the same idiots.
240 posted on 06/17/2003 10:52:11 PM PDT by George W. Bush
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