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John Ross’ Speech

Posted on 06/16/2003 7:57:33 AM PDT by ezo4

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Interesting.... Did a search and didn’t see this posted yet
1 posted on 06/16/2003 7:57:34 AM PDT by ezo4
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To: ezoeni; *bang_list; Joe Brower
indexing
2 posted on 06/16/2003 8:01:09 AM PDT by harpseal (Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: AAABEST; wku man; SLB; Travis McGee; Squantos; harpseal; Shooter 2.5; The Old Hoosier; xrp; ...

3 posted on 06/16/2003 8:06:31 AM PDT by Joe Brower (What is past is prologue.)
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To: harpseal
My dad owned a Winchester 300 H & H purchased at the PX in Yokohama in the 1950s. For many years it was the most powerful gun I'd ever seen or fired.
4 posted on 06/16/2003 8:08:11 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Vic3O3; cavtrooper21
Interesting read....

TTFTH yet?

Semper Fi
5 posted on 06/16/2003 8:08:23 AM PDT by dd5339 (Lookout Texas, here we come!)
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To: ezoeni
Thanks.
6 posted on 06/16/2003 8:08:53 AM PDT by TomSmedley ((technical writer grateful for work!))
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To: ezoeni
"THINGS ARE BETTER FOR US NOW..."

Right.

Truly, this is the best of all possible worlds.

(/irony)
7 posted on 06/16/2003 8:09:58 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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To: ezoeni
Thanks for this great post.

Dr John Lott has and will continue to shred the anti gun ownership lies/non stats about guns and responsible gun owners.

Everytime the Terrorist Alert goes higher, more new people line up to buy a gun for the first time. Eventually most of these new gun owners will be pro 2 nd amendment voters.

These new gun owners are like the massive amounts of new SUV owners. There is a virtual explosion of SUV ownership in California. I see each new SUV owner as a future ally against the Watermelon Green Jihadists who try to use SUVs and their main thrust against auto ownership.

We know of several females who have bought SUV's to safely carry their children around, and who have bought a gun to protect their families and themselves. They will not tolerate a rat politician, who tries to take away their new guns and SUVs. They were the moderates before becoming gun owners and SUV owners.

Welcome to the new gun owners and the new SUV owners. You are on the right trail to become conservatives.
8 posted on 06/16/2003 8:25:34 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Support The Brave Iranians as they bring about a needed regime change!)
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To: ezoeni
I'm sorry, but I have doubts about this without a verifiable source. Except for the particular technical knowledge, this does not sound like John Ross. (The error confusing John Ross and John Lott is suspicious.)

What is written is true, but it sounds like ATF/Bushbot spin, and not like John Ross.

To crow about how 100,000 civilian machine guns were created before the 1986 act is silly, when you consider that this still leaves less than one per thousand citizens (and many being obsolete.) And every year that goes by leaves civilians with increasingly obsolete arms.

There is no indication that as our arms have gotten better over the years, the arms of the military and militarized police have gotten vastly better at a far greater rate, creating a rapidly-widening "arms gap."

Conspicuously absent is any mention of the assault weapons ban, and magazine capacity ban.

This is pure spin, and I think it stinks. It might be Ross, but he seems to be shilling. I do know that the ATF has been after him, looking for a chance to ruin him. (They pestered his ex-wife following an amicable divorce, trolling for dirt they could use against him!)
9 posted on 06/16/2003 8:25:44 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: ezoeni
Interesting pattern there. Regulations passed into law... result: more firearms. More regulations passed into law... result: even more firearms. Nearly exponential growth.

More anti-gun laws proposed? Oh, puhleeze don' throw us in the briar patch.


10 posted on 06/16/2003 8:29:59 AM PDT by Charles Martel
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To: Beelzebubba; ezoeni
Found the "John Ross Speech" here (via google):
http://www.missourisportshooting.org/ms4.htm
11 posted on 06/16/2003 8:33:28 AM PDT by capecodder
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To: Beelzebubba
Here is some real, vintage John Ross:

Give It to Them Straight
by John Ross
Author of Unintended Consequences

Source

The biggest mistake we make is failing to take the moral high ground on our issue, and letting our
enemies define the terms.

THEY SAY: "We'd be better off if no one had guns."

WE SAY: "You can never succeed at that, criminals will always get guns." (FLAW: The implication here is that if you
COULD succeed, it would be a reasonable plan.)

WE SHOULD SAY: "So, you want to institute a system where the weak and elderly are at the mercy of the strong, the
lone are at the mercy of the gang. You want to give violent criminals a government guarantee that citizens are disarmed.
Sorry, that's unacceptable. Better that we should require every citizen to carry a gun."

***

THEY SAY: "Those assault rifles have no sporting purpose. You don't need a 30-round magazine for hunting deer --
they're only for killing people."

WE SAY: "I compete in DCM High Power with my AR-15. You need a large-capacity magazine for their course of fire.
My SKS is a fine deer rifle, and I've never done anything to give my government reason not to trust me, blah, blah, blah."
(FLAW: You have implicitly conceded that it is OK to ban any gun with no sporting use. And eventually they can replace
your sporting arms with arcade-game substitutes.)

WE SHOULD SAY: "Your claim that 'they're only for killing people' is imprecise. A gas chamber or electric chair is
designed for killing people, and these devices obviously serve different functions than guns. To be precise, a high capacity
military-type rifle or handgun is designed for CONFLICT. When I need to protect myself and my freedom, I want the most
reliable, most durable, highest capacity weapon possible. The only thing hunting and target shooting have to do with
freedom is that they're good practice."

***

THEY SAY: "If we pass this CCW law, it will be like the Wild West, with shoot-outs all the time for fender-benders, in
bars, etc. We need to keep guns off the streets. If doing so saves just one life, it will be worth it."

WE SAY: "Studies have shown blah blah blah." (flaw: You have implied that if studies showed CCW laws equaled more
heat-of-passion shooting, CCW should be illegal.

WE SHOULD SAY: "Although no state has experienced what you are describing, that's not important. What is important
is our freedom. If saving lives is more important that anything else, why don't we throw out the Fifth amendment? We have
the technology to administer an annual truth serum session to the entire population. We'd catch the criminals and mistaken
arrest would be a thing of the past. How does that sound?"

***

THEY SAY: "I don't see what the big deal is about a five day waiting period."

WE SAY: "It doesn't do any good, criminals don't wait five days, it's a waste of resources blah blah blah." (FLAW: You
have implied that if waiting periods DID reduce crime, they would be a good idea.)

WHAT WE SHOULD SAY: "How about a 24-hour cooling-off period with a government review board before the news is
reported? Wouldn't that prevent lives from being ruined, e.g. Richard Jewell? And the fact that this law applies to people
who ALREADY own a handgun tells me that it's not about crime prevention, it's about harassment. Personally, I want to
live in a free society, not a 'safe' one with the government as chief nanny."

***

THEY SAY: "In 1776, citizens had muskets. No one ever envisioned these deadly AK-47s. I suppose you think we should
all have atomic bombs."

WE SAY: "Uh, well, uh . . ."

WE SHOULD SAY: "Actually, the Founders discussed this very issue - it's in the Federalist Papers. They wanted the
citizens to have the same guns as were the issue weapons of soldiers in a modern infantry. Soldiers in 1776 were each
issued muskets, but not the large field pieces with exploding shells. In 1996, soldiers are issued M16s, M249s, etc. but not
howitzers and atomic bombs. Furthermore, according to your logic, the laws governing freedom of the press are only valid
for newspapers whose presses are hand-operated and use fixed type. After all, no one in 1776 foresaw offset printing or
electricity, let alone TV and satellite transmission."

***

THEY SAY: "We require licenses on cars, but the powerful NRA screams bloody murder if anyone ever suggests licensing
these weapons of mass destruction."

WE SAY: Nothing, usually, and just sit there looking dumb.

WE SHOULD SAY:"You know, driving is a luxury, where firearms ownership is a right secured by the Constitution. But
let's put that aside for a moment. It's interesting you compared guns and vehicles. Here in the U.S. you can AT ANY AGE
go into any state and buy as many motorcycles, cars, or trucks of any size as you want, and you don't need to do anything if
you don't use them on public property. If you DO want to use them on public property, you can get a license at age 16. This
license is good in all 50 states. NO waiting periods, no background checks, nothing. If we treated guns like cars, a fourteenyear-
old could go into any state and legally buy handguns, machine guns, cannons, whatever, cash and carry, and shoot
them all with complete legality on private property. And at age 16 he could get a state license good anywhere in the country
to shoot these guns on public property."

***

Final comment, useful with most all arguments:

YOU SAY: "You know, I'm amazed at how little you care about your grandchildren. I would have thought they meant
more to you than anything."

THEY SAY:"Huh?"

YOU SAY: "Well, passing this proposal won't have a big immediate effect. I mean, in the next couple of years, neither Bill
Clinton nor Newt Gingrich is going to open up internment camps like Roosevelt did fifty-odd years ago. But think of your
worst nightmare of a political leader. Isn't it POSSIBLE that a person like that MIGHT be in control here some time in the
next 30, 40, or 50 years, with 51% of the Congress and 51% of the Senate behind him? If that does happen, do you
REALLY what your grandchildren to have been stripped of their final guarantee of freedom? And do you really want them
to have been stripped of it BY YOU?"



12 posted on 06/16/2003 8:33:52 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: Beelzebubba
I went back and found it at the highroad.org where I saw it a few days past. I don't know if its authentic or not.

I should have included it in the original post

Here is the source link

Heres the highroad thread
13 posted on 06/16/2003 8:36:33 AM PDT by ezo4
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To: Beelzebubba
Link to the scathing letter from Ross' attorney to ATF regarding ATF harassment of Ross' ex-wife:

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/user/wbardwel/public/nfalist/jeffries_atf_letter_re_ross.txt
14 posted on 06/16/2003 8:42:11 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed
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To: ezoeni
Good post, but I don't think this is Ross (or he sold out).
15 posted on 06/16/2003 8:44:13 AM PDT by jjm2111 (I'm a psychopatriot!)
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To: ezoeni
Declassifying noise reducers, repeal of the 1934 NFA and 1986 MG ban would be really good starts.
16 posted on 06/16/2003 8:44:39 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: ezoeni
www.john-ross.net

Here is his website, I think its fairly new. Maybe there will be more confirmation there. I need to get to work right now but Im sure someone or I will look later on
17 posted on 06/16/2003 8:50:46 AM PDT by ezo4
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To: Joe Brower
I think we have gained in the products lines and guns are cheaper today.

We also have succeeded in distroying the left's arguments for handgun bans by passing CCW laws.

The good news is it isn't just the machine gunners who are angry. The clintoon years have angered the trap shooters all the way to benchrest shooters. The bad news is in no way is our work done. It won't be done by just reversing the Assault Weapons ban or the '68 GCA.

Our work will be finished when every politician understands that to try to pass any gun law is to violate the Bill of Rights. We need a U.S. Supreme Court ruling.
18 posted on 06/16/2003 8:59:04 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: ezoeni
I think he's almost finished his second novel, did you read that on his website?
19 posted on 06/16/2003 9:08:38 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: ezoeni
BTTT
20 posted on 06/16/2003 9:29:55 AM PDT by hattend
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