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He's celibate until marriage, and dates won't tolerate it
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 15, 2003 | Mary Mitchell

Posted on 06/15/2003 10:39:14 AM PDT by Mister Magoo

He's celibate until marriage, and dates won't tolerate it

June 15, 2003

BY MARY MITCHELL SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Ten years ago, Darren Washington, 33, made a dramatic lifestyle change. He decided to abstain from sex until he got married. It is a choice that makes sense in a world where sex can literally kill you. But the fear of sexually transmitted diseases was not the only thing that motivated Washington to try celibacy. Given the pain sexual relationships can cause, he wanted to be part of the solution--not part of the problem.

On Saturday, June 21, he will be one of the panelists for "What Men Don't Like To Talk About" at Being Single Magazine's 5th Annual Bachelor Breakfast.

Washington, director of external affairs for SBC Indiana, says his celibacy has frustrated some women.

"A lot of women wanted to be sexually active," he said. "And you have so many people fronting. What I found out is that women wanted a man who was going to be faithful to her because a lot of men are juggling different women, having sex with different women, and so women thought it would be OK if I was only having sex with them."

Some women backed away after realizing Washington took abstinence seriously.

"I told one woman I just wanted to be friends and she said she already had enough friends," he said.

Then, there's the hurry-up-and-get-on-with-it sister.

"I dated a very intelligent woman, an attorney, who was OK with celibacy," Washington said. "But after six months, she wanted me to make a commitment. She felt if she knew we were going to marry then she could abstain. I couldn't make that promise."

Washington, a state-certified HIV/AIDS counselor, regularly speaks out about abstinence. He says he does so because it is the best alternative, particularly for African-American couples.

"I think a lot of people--men and women--don't understand the emotional and psychological effects that premarital sex cause besides teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.

"When you give your body, you open an area to them that is really sacred. You exchange spirits with that person and that is how you end up with heartaches, pain and jealousy. There are women out here who are cheating just like men. You can't blame one [gender] more than the other. If men stood up and took the initiative and treated women with more respect and respected their bodies, women would want their bodies respected."

Sex shouldn't be part of a dating relationship, Washington said.

"You really truly have to be patient and wait for the right man to come into your life," he said. "There are a lot of men out here who have their pick of the litter. They date a lot of women and they know they are a good catch. They are financially together and a lot of these men are having sex with a lot of different women."

In the abstinence world, a date is a date.

"There are certain things that are off limits if you are not willing to be married," he said. "I can go out with different people to have fun, but I don't expect sex and I don't expect them to take their clothes off."

But for a lot of men, sex is seen as their reward for showing his date a good time.

""I don't expect a woman to have sex with me because I took her out to dinner and spent $100," Washington counters. "That should be normal if I am trying to win her hand and to prove to her I'm the man of her dreams.

On the other side, women who do not have romantic feelings for a man may get involved with him sexually because he is financially solid and drives a nice car, Washington pointed out.

"We have to stop using each other," he said. "One way to do that is to abstain."

Of course, the real question is whether Washington is really one of those brothers on the down-low. He chuckled when I asked, but admitted it wasn't the first time he's been asked about his sexuality.

"People live an alternative lifestyle for sexual liberation, not sexual resignation," he said. "Right now, a lot of people are looking for a cure to AIDS. My issue is, yes, we need drugs that will stop the spread of AIDS, but what about the people who don't have it. They need to abstain. If you can't put a ring on a woman's finger or you don't want to marry the brother, you shouldn't be out there."

As noted in a recent Sun-Times special report on marriage, African Americans marry at a significantly lower rate than other racial groups in the United States. By age 30, 81 percent of white women and 77 percent of Asians and Hispanics will marry, but only 52 percent of black women will do so, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

After talking to Washington, I recalled something my father used to say when his daughters started dating: "Why buy the cow when the milk is free?" Of course, we didn't listen. As things have turned out, fathers knew best after all.

For additional information about next Saturday's panel discussion, please call (312) 567-9900.


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KEYWORDS: abstinence; aids; celibate; chastity; dating; libertines; loosemorals; morality; singles; std
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To: nobdysfool
sounds cultish to me...you just can't see it.
541 posted on 06/19/2003 2:26:57 PM PDT by chasio649
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To: chasio649
sounds cultish to me...you just can't see it.

"But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned." 1 Cor.2:14

"Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires." Romans 8:5

Not cultish, just not understood by you.

542 posted on 06/19/2003 2:50:04 PM PDT by nobdysfool (Let God be true, and every man a liar...)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Hey there,

Hope you get this before you leave for the wedding tomorrow... have fun this weekend. I am sure you will be exhausted but remember to cherish the moment watching your little girl get married!

One more responsibility off your hands. :)
543 posted on 06/19/2003 4:58:11 PM PDT by Gabrielle Reilly
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To: LJPenney
Yeah I passed--but that doesn't mean that I enjoyed it!

Well, congratulations nonetheless! You made it. *smile*

544 posted on 06/20/2003 5:27:01 AM PDT by Chemist_Geek ("Drill, R&D, and conserve" should be our watchwords! Energy independence for America!)
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To: Gabrielle Reilly
Hi there,
I'm still alive! Hahaha! It turned out pretty good. I spent most of my time in the kitchen, but everything came out pretty good. My neighbor across the street came and brought flowers from her garden for the table. We put in extra sections for the table and moved it into the living room. Went through a ham, a huge bowl of meatballs and gravy, chicken croquettes, mashed potatoes, steamed green beans, and rolls. Not to mention the veggies and dip, the chips and salsa and wedding cake, and six bottles of champagne(and mexican beer). I just rolled out of bed :)

Have a nice day!
545 posted on 06/21/2003 12:27:30 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: Mister Magoo
there is nothing wrong with being celibate, i was married for 25yr now divorced I'm 48 and have been celibate for 4yrs I'm waiting on my Mr. right form God.
546 posted on 05/04/2005 3:51:36 PM PDT by Gods way
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To: Mister Magoo


You are a very smart man to be celibate. I have a daughter and was married twice and then decided to be celibate. I must admit I never liked sex, but I did it and it meant nothing to me. Celibacy is very easy for people like me. The sad part is not having celibate mate friends to go out with. I get plenty who pretend but they are soon found out.>
I would love to meet a very nice celibate male from 50 on up. You can be younger, but I have always like talking to older men.


547 posted on 05/22/2005 1:07:21 PM PDT by acajudi
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To: jlogajan

"So, something was WRONG with the LORD Jesus Christ (who remained celebate until he was -- yep: 33)?"

"Whoever he was, he removed his genes from the future gene pool."

Deliberately, considering his parentage. Think about it. ;)


548 posted on 05/22/2005 1:20:55 PM PDT by walden
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To: Mister Magoo

Women think that if men have sex with them, they'll be more likely to stay. It's a fact, although nobody will admit it.


549 posted on 05/22/2005 1:22:16 PM PDT by Hildy ( The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of his tongue)
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To: TheSpottedOwl

" . . . men my age are looking to settle down and have children."

I'm curious-- about what age is that? I have two daughters, and we've lately been discussing at what age men seem to be ready.


550 posted on 05/22/2005 1:38:18 PM PDT by walden
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To: jlogajan
This is the danger when committed Christians try to post in a forum filled with non-Christians. Non-Christians, being in an unregenerate state simply can't comprehend someone who is filled with and motivated by the Holy Spirit rather than their fleshly sin nature (which is the controlling factor in ALL non-Christians lives).

True Christians will always be in conflict (spiritually and philosophically) with non-Christians.

John 3:3-8
3 In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again."

4 "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!"

5 Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.' 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit."
(from New International Version)

Rom 7:5-6
5 For when we were controlled by the sinful nature, the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in our bodies, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
(from New International Version)

Rom 8:5-8
5 Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; 7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. 8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.
(from New International Version)

Gal 5:16-24

16 So I say, live by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature. 17 For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the Spirit, and the Spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature. They are in conflict with each other, so that you do not do what you want. 18 But if you are led by the Spirit, you are not under law.

19 The acts of the sinful nature are obvious: sexual immorality, impurity and debauchery; 20 idolatry and witchcraft; hatred, discord, jealousy, fits of rage, selfish ambition, dissensions, factions 21 and envy; drunkenness, orgies, and the like. I warn you, as I did before, that those who live like this will not inherit the kingdom of God.

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. 24 Those who belong to Christ Jesus have crucified the sinful nature with its passions and desires.
(from New International Version)

Gal 6:7-8

7 Do not be deceived: God cannot be mocked. A man reaps what he sows. 8 The one who sows to please his sinful nature, from that nature will reap destruction; the one who sows to please the Spirit, from the Spirit will reap eternal life.
(from New International Version)

Eph 2:1-3
2:1 As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and sins, 2 in which you used to live when you followed the ways of this world and of the ruler of the kingdom of the air, the spirit who is now at work in those who are disobedient. 3 All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our sinful nature and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature objects of wrath.
(from New International Version)

Rom 1:18-32

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of men who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God's invisible qualities-his eternal power and divine nature-have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that men are without excuse.

21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like mortal man and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator-who is forever praised. Amen.

26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.

28 Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind, to do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they are senseless, faithless, heartless, ruthless. 32 Although they know God's righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.
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1 Peter 4:1-5
4:1 Therefore, since Christ suffered in his body, arm yourselves also with the same attitude, because he who has suffered in his body is done with sin. 2 As a result, he does not live the rest of his earthly life for evil human desires, but rather for the will of God. 3 For you have spent enough time in the past doing what pagans choose to do-living in debauchery, lust, drunkenness, orgies, carousing and detestable idolatry. 4 They think it strange that you do not plunge with them into the same flood of dissipation, and they heap abuse on you. 5 But they will have to give account to him who is ready to judge the living and the dead.
(from New International Version)

 

551 posted on 05/22/2005 1:49:56 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
God only sanctions sex within the marriage.

Yes he does, and the reason is to protect the children that are produced.

Although that it is important and God says He "hates divorce", that is not the primary reason given in Scripture:

1 Cor 6:15-20
15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." 17 But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.

18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body. 19 Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.
(from New International Version)

 

552 posted on 05/22/2005 1:54:56 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
However should I find a nice man around my age, of course I would sleep with him and I wouldn't consider myself engaging in unpaid prostitution.

That is your opinion of course, but the truth of God's word would claim that you are an adulterer.

553 posted on 05/22/2005 1:58:59 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Yeah, I know. I'm just not as religious as some folks here. If it feels good, smells good, tastes good, looks good...it's a sin.

That's certainly the mindset that the baby-boomer generation brought to this nation giving us a post-modern, no absolutes, "if it feels good, do it" selfish, spoiled, "ME" generation.  Did you enjoy the 1990s when that philosophy claimed the executive branch of this government?

554 posted on 05/22/2005 2:03:39 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: Mister Magoo
Look at the facts. This guy obviously has issues, and if you can't see that, you're blinded by your belief system.

As are you: it's called humanism and hedonism.  Everyone has a "belief system".  Not everyone has the truth though.

555 posted on 05/22/2005 2:09:17 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: acajudi

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556 posted on 05/22/2005 2:21:20 PM PDT by streetpreacher (God DOES exist; He's just not into you!)
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To: Mister Magoo

I can send those frustrated ladies my address if they need some help.


557 posted on 05/22/2005 2:27:26 PM PDT by toddlintown (Your papers please.)
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To: Tall_Texan
I've *wanted* to have sex with several women but I've always resisted the temptation and am still single.

Probably the best thing to do is to resist up to a point. If you really do love the woman, you've been dating for a while and she is good marriage material, you should take the plunge (Pun not intended, but interesing) and risk it. If she gets pregnant, well, you already love her, so why not commit for a lifetime? Your chances are still good and she'll give you children. And besides, why carry romantic notions that passionate love is for a lifetime? That's the stuff of fairy tales. After the honeymoon faze, it's normal for things to calm down. The important thing is to find someone to commit to, and for her to commit to you.

558 posted on 05/22/2005 3:20:26 PM PDT by Concentrate
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To: streetpreacher

Throwing stones, preacher? Shame on *you*.


559 posted on 05/22/2005 3:26:17 PM PDT by Concentrate
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To: streetpreacher
Forgot to post the "stone"! Sorry about that, chief!

That is your opinion of course, but the truth of God's word would claim that you are an adulterer.

560 posted on 05/22/2005 3:29:54 PM PDT by Concentrate
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