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He's celibate until marriage, and dates won't tolerate it
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 15, 2003 | Mary Mitchell

Posted on 06/15/2003 10:39:14 AM PDT by Mister Magoo

He's celibate until marriage, and dates won't tolerate it

June 15, 2003

BY MARY MITCHELL SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Ten years ago, Darren Washington, 33, made a dramatic lifestyle change. He decided to abstain from sex until he got married. It is a choice that makes sense in a world where sex can literally kill you. But the fear of sexually transmitted diseases was not the only thing that motivated Washington to try celibacy. Given the pain sexual relationships can cause, he wanted to be part of the solution--not part of the problem.

On Saturday, June 21, he will be one of the panelists for "What Men Don't Like To Talk About" at Being Single Magazine's 5th Annual Bachelor Breakfast.

Washington, director of external affairs for SBC Indiana, says his celibacy has frustrated some women.

"A lot of women wanted to be sexually active," he said. "And you have so many people fronting. What I found out is that women wanted a man who was going to be faithful to her because a lot of men are juggling different women, having sex with different women, and so women thought it would be OK if I was only having sex with them."

Some women backed away after realizing Washington took abstinence seriously.

"I told one woman I just wanted to be friends and she said she already had enough friends," he said.

Then, there's the hurry-up-and-get-on-with-it sister.

"I dated a very intelligent woman, an attorney, who was OK with celibacy," Washington said. "But after six months, she wanted me to make a commitment. She felt if she knew we were going to marry then she could abstain. I couldn't make that promise."

Washington, a state-certified HIV/AIDS counselor, regularly speaks out about abstinence. He says he does so because it is the best alternative, particularly for African-American couples.

"I think a lot of people--men and women--don't understand the emotional and psychological effects that premarital sex cause besides teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.

"When you give your body, you open an area to them that is really sacred. You exchange spirits with that person and that is how you end up with heartaches, pain and jealousy. There are women out here who are cheating just like men. You can't blame one [gender] more than the other. If men stood up and took the initiative and treated women with more respect and respected their bodies, women would want their bodies respected."

Sex shouldn't be part of a dating relationship, Washington said.

"You really truly have to be patient and wait for the right man to come into your life," he said. "There are a lot of men out here who have their pick of the litter. They date a lot of women and they know they are a good catch. They are financially together and a lot of these men are having sex with a lot of different women."

In the abstinence world, a date is a date.

"There are certain things that are off limits if you are not willing to be married," he said. "I can go out with different people to have fun, but I don't expect sex and I don't expect them to take their clothes off."

But for a lot of men, sex is seen as their reward for showing his date a good time.

""I don't expect a woman to have sex with me because I took her out to dinner and spent $100," Washington counters. "That should be normal if I am trying to win her hand and to prove to her I'm the man of her dreams.

On the other side, women who do not have romantic feelings for a man may get involved with him sexually because he is financially solid and drives a nice car, Washington pointed out.

"We have to stop using each other," he said. "One way to do that is to abstain."

Of course, the real question is whether Washington is really one of those brothers on the down-low. He chuckled when I asked, but admitted it wasn't the first time he's been asked about his sexuality.

"People live an alternative lifestyle for sexual liberation, not sexual resignation," he said. "Right now, a lot of people are looking for a cure to AIDS. My issue is, yes, we need drugs that will stop the spread of AIDS, but what about the people who don't have it. They need to abstain. If you can't put a ring on a woman's finger or you don't want to marry the brother, you shouldn't be out there."

As noted in a recent Sun-Times special report on marriage, African Americans marry at a significantly lower rate than other racial groups in the United States. By age 30, 81 percent of white women and 77 percent of Asians and Hispanics will marry, but only 52 percent of black women will do so, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

After talking to Washington, I recalled something my father used to say when his daughters started dating: "Why buy the cow when the milk is free?" Of course, we didn't listen. As things have turned out, fathers knew best after all.

For additional information about next Saturday's panel discussion, please call (312) 567-9900.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abstinence; aids; celibate; chastity; dating; libertines; loosemorals; morality; singles; std
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To: Pan_Yans Wife
I disagree. How heartbroken would you be to learn that the love of your life dumped YOU, because you couldn't perform due to cancer, MS, etc? How very sad. I would think that the love for your spouse would trump any sexual experience, and that you will love them while they suffered through a debilitating disease... and you should be able to ask the same of your spouse. This is a MARRIAGE, that is bound not only in legal terms but by the heart... otherwise why get married?

As a man, I agree, but there are many other ways to have sex than just intercourse, so in most cases, even illness or physical handicaps do not preclude a satisfying sex life.

381 posted on 06/16/2003 1:09:51 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: BlazingArizona
I'll bet there are allot of men who think like Eagle, it just isn't something that ever comes up

(Wait, that didn't sound right...)

382 posted on 06/16/2003 1:21:46 AM PDT by The Brush
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To: DearAbby
I applaud men and women who can control themselves till they find the right person to marry and be intimate with. God's word says that when we marry we become one spirit.

Celibate until marriage and decent room service onm the honeymoon.

383 posted on 06/16/2003 1:24:46 AM PDT by connectthedots
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To: TheSpottedOwl
If you can't be honest enough to stay faithful in a serious relationship, not including marriage, you can't be trusted period.

Which is why Honesty and not Fidelity would be at the top of my requirements list for marriage, or a serious relationship of any kind. Without trust, there is no relationship, and without honesty there is no trust.

My top five list for marriage would be:

1. Honesty.
2. Love
3. Respect
4. Compatibility
5. Attraction

Would you displace one of those with fidelity?

384 posted on 06/16/2003 4:24:23 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: Buggman
I never said the man was disturbed. I was going for "self-centered and indecisive". That's too common to qualify as a disorder.

But you're right. One of those "other possibilites" I've ignored so far is that he's only telling himself that the relationship ended for the reason he stated (it may have been for a reason that wouldn't make him a "victim"). Another possibility may be that the girl lost a little something in the translation from Real Ex-Girlfriend to Discussion Panel Topic.

Or, she may not exist at all.

Hey, anything's possible.

385 posted on 06/16/2003 4:26:04 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: Buggman
A lot of guys are celibate

Not on purpose.

Wanna bet?

Depends on how you define "a lot" and what you propose for the bet. If by "a lot" you mean more than 10, then no. If you mean more than 10%, then yes, I'll make a genltleman's wager.

386 posted on 06/16/2003 4:29:18 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: Republican Wildcat
For myself, fidelity wouldn't even rank in the top five requirements in my marriage.

So is marriage to you only signatures on a piece of paper?

I'm not sure how your question would follow from my statement. For the sake of argument, however, which would you consider more important. That your partner be faithful or that your partner not be a serial spousal killer?

387 posted on 06/16/2003 4:35:17 AM PDT by laredo44
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To: Utilizer
Count Me as one who has no problem with an intelligent woman thank you very much.

Noted (and appreciated). There's one!

388 posted on 06/16/2003 4:43:37 AM PDT by strela ("Have Word Processor, Will Travel" reads the card of a man ...)
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To: Mister Magoo
Actually, all unmarried men are celibate until they get married. But hardly any are *chaste*--most of them have the STD exposures of many women to bring to their bridal bedde.

What's the deal with the word, "chaste"? Why do we have to use celibate to mean what it does not?

389 posted on 06/16/2003 4:47:02 AM PDT by Mamzelle
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To: Paleo Conservative
The first line, maybe. The 2nd line (what I said) comes from painful experience.
390 posted on 06/16/2003 4:48:26 AM PDT by sauropod (Mo Dowd is a Stepford Wife Wanna-be. She wanted to be a Douglas Wife...)
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To: TheSpottedOwl; hellinahandcart
She is a friggin' Democrat! That's not DECENT!!!

BTW, loved your line about the burglar! LOL!

391 posted on 06/16/2003 5:40:21 AM PDT by sauropod (Mo Dowd is a Stepford Wife Wanna-be. She wanted to be a Douglas Wife...)
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To: connectthedots
a man and woman need to discuss the potential for a future marriage before six months. If the two have not discussed all aspects of their relationship in great depth by that time, they are not truly being honest with each other or themselves.

Exactly. WHAT is so unreasonable about that for two adults (especially in this case, when there was no SEX to distract from or delay the discussions they should have been having :D)? We're not talking about a couple of kids who don't even know themselves yet.

Waiting for marriage is one thing, waiting around for a person to know their own mind is quite another. People should be honest about what they want and don't want, before things have gone on long enough to create false expectations or hard feelings.

392 posted on 06/16/2003 5:42:48 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: L.N. Smithee; hellinahandcart
ROFLMAO!
393 posted on 06/16/2003 5:43:16 AM PDT by sauropod (Mo Dowd is a Stepford Wife Wanna-be. She wanted to be a Douglas Wife...)
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To: najida
I am in a fairly new relationship (less than a year old) and it is serious. I refuse to do a pre-nup. To me, if you do a pre-nup, then you won't trust the other person no matter what. Any future marriage would be doomed.
394 posted on 06/16/2003 5:47:30 AM PDT by sauropod (Mo Dowd is a Stepford Wife Wanna-be. She wanted to be a Douglas Wife...)
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To: Tribune7
"A hundred years ago most men would be nearing the end of their life expentency. (Well, I think it was 45)"


You are right except for one thing, you are referring to average life span which was short mainly due to infant death. My grandfather, born in 1879 lived until 1965 and he was not that exceptional. A man of 33 would have had reason to expect that he could marry and raise children to maturity before his death. Actually his expected life span would not have been that much shorter than it would be today.
395 posted on 06/16/2003 5:47:56 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Mercy on a pore boy lemme have a dollar bill!)
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To: Utilizer
Whats with the Captializing of Your Pronouns?
396 posted on 06/16/2003 5:59:29 AM PDT by sauropod (Mo Dowd is a Stepford Wife Wanna-be. She wanted to be a Douglas Wife...)
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To: Mister Magoo
personally, I don't get why you have to have sex if you choose to be a celebrity.
397 posted on 06/16/2003 6:02:58 AM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: Salvation
I think he is just standing tall for his values of chastity and faithfulness!

How, by acting like a non-smoker who insists on sitting in the smoking section?

398 posted on 06/16/2003 6:17:34 AM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: laredo44; litany_of_lies
"I would guess that it's under 10%, and that neither of you will bet against me."

"I understand that in cultures where parents arrange their offspring's marriage the divorce is even lower than that. Now what?"

"I also know that the divorce rate in my home is zero percent. Maybe everybody should emulate me! 8 ^ )"

I have three brothers, all are married and no divorces, I am on my second marriage and no divorces. One brother married at 22 to a woman who is considered by almost everyone who knows her to be the worst mistake my brother ever made. They have one child and are still married. One brother married at 28 to a woman he lived with for several years before marriage. One child, still married. One brother married at around 42 (can't recall exactly) to a woman he had lived with for twenty years already. No children, still married.
The point of all this is you cannot generalize about these things. I could point out others I have known who say they never had sex until the wedding night and the marriage didn't make it until the second night but that would prove nothing.
My own theory is that some people like my family simply don't know how to quit a commitment once it is made and others find it very easy to do so. I think that makes as much sense as most other theories.
399 posted on 06/16/2003 6:22:45 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Mercy on a pore boy lemme have a dollar bill!)
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To: All
I find some of your responses very surprising.

Mr. Washington cites his reasons for his celibacy very succinctly. And they're darn good ones.

Casual sex is empty sex. Instead of making me feel good, it often made me feel bad, once the adrenaline had settled down a bit.

On the other hand, sex with its accompanying closeness can make you believe you're in love with someone when you're not. If you viewed them dispassionately it would be obvious, but the haze thrown over the situation by the sexual activity obscures true feelings.

While Mr. Washington may be a creep on a power trip, it sounds more to me like he's a wise man. Besides the above (the most important), he's also protecting himself from unwanted paternity and STDs.

I can think of several times I wish I'd been as wise as he.
400 posted on 06/16/2003 7:13:19 AM PDT by jimt
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