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He's celibate until marriage, and dates won't tolerate it
Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 15, 2003 | Mary Mitchell

Posted on 06/15/2003 10:39:14 AM PDT by Mister Magoo

He's celibate until marriage, and dates won't tolerate it

June 15, 2003

BY MARY MITCHELL SUN-TIMES COLUMNIST

Ten years ago, Darren Washington, 33, made a dramatic lifestyle change. He decided to abstain from sex until he got married. It is a choice that makes sense in a world where sex can literally kill you. But the fear of sexually transmitted diseases was not the only thing that motivated Washington to try celibacy. Given the pain sexual relationships can cause, he wanted to be part of the solution--not part of the problem.

On Saturday, June 21, he will be one of the panelists for "What Men Don't Like To Talk About" at Being Single Magazine's 5th Annual Bachelor Breakfast.

Washington, director of external affairs for SBC Indiana, says his celibacy has frustrated some women.

"A lot of women wanted to be sexually active," he said. "And you have so many people fronting. What I found out is that women wanted a man who was going to be faithful to her because a lot of men are juggling different women, having sex with different women, and so women thought it would be OK if I was only having sex with them."

Some women backed away after realizing Washington took abstinence seriously.

"I told one woman I just wanted to be friends and she said she already had enough friends," he said.

Then, there's the hurry-up-and-get-on-with-it sister.

"I dated a very intelligent woman, an attorney, who was OK with celibacy," Washington said. "But after six months, she wanted me to make a commitment. She felt if she knew we were going to marry then she could abstain. I couldn't make that promise."

Washington, a state-certified HIV/AIDS counselor, regularly speaks out about abstinence. He says he does so because it is the best alternative, particularly for African-American couples.

"I think a lot of people--men and women--don't understand the emotional and psychological effects that premarital sex cause besides teenage pregnancy and sexually transmitted diseases.

"When you give your body, you open an area to them that is really sacred. You exchange spirits with that person and that is how you end up with heartaches, pain and jealousy. There are women out here who are cheating just like men. You can't blame one [gender] more than the other. If men stood up and took the initiative and treated women with more respect and respected their bodies, women would want their bodies respected."

Sex shouldn't be part of a dating relationship, Washington said.

"You really truly have to be patient and wait for the right man to come into your life," he said. "There are a lot of men out here who have their pick of the litter. They date a lot of women and they know they are a good catch. They are financially together and a lot of these men are having sex with a lot of different women."

In the abstinence world, a date is a date.

"There are certain things that are off limits if you are not willing to be married," he said. "I can go out with different people to have fun, but I don't expect sex and I don't expect them to take their clothes off."

But for a lot of men, sex is seen as their reward for showing his date a good time.

""I don't expect a woman to have sex with me because I took her out to dinner and spent $100," Washington counters. "That should be normal if I am trying to win her hand and to prove to her I'm the man of her dreams.

On the other side, women who do not have romantic feelings for a man may get involved with him sexually because he is financially solid and drives a nice car, Washington pointed out.

"We have to stop using each other," he said. "One way to do that is to abstain."

Of course, the real question is whether Washington is really one of those brothers on the down-low. He chuckled when I asked, but admitted it wasn't the first time he's been asked about his sexuality.

"People live an alternative lifestyle for sexual liberation, not sexual resignation," he said. "Right now, a lot of people are looking for a cure to AIDS. My issue is, yes, we need drugs that will stop the spread of AIDS, but what about the people who don't have it. They need to abstain. If you can't put a ring on a woman's finger or you don't want to marry the brother, you shouldn't be out there."

As noted in a recent Sun-Times special report on marriage, African Americans marry at a significantly lower rate than other racial groups in the United States. By age 30, 81 percent of white women and 77 percent of Asians and Hispanics will marry, but only 52 percent of black women will do so, according to the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.

After talking to Washington, I recalled something my father used to say when his daughters started dating: "Why buy the cow when the milk is free?" Of course, we didn't listen. As things have turned out, fathers knew best after all.

For additional information about next Saturday's panel discussion, please call (312) 567-9900.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: abstinence; aids; celibate; chastity; dating; libertines; loosemorals; morality; singles; std
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To: AnnaZ
These kinds of topics just keep cropping up here on Free Republic! LOL

WFTR
Bill

221 posted on 06/15/2003 2:40:47 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: sinkspur
"Palmeiro's only 39 years old!

I never heard of sexual dysfunction in a man that age unless he's had a physical injury of some kind."

Or is diabetic or has multiple sclerosis or is a black man with hypertension or...
Need I go on?

222 posted on 06/15/2003 2:42:03 PM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq
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To: TheSpottedOwl
I hope he isn't abusive towards your Aunt and the kids.

Never (and he manages to go to mass every morning), but he's been a slave to the beer, TV and isolation for decades. His 45-year-old son died of the same disease a few years ago.

223 posted on 06/15/2003 2:42:18 PM PDT by 7 x 77
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To: laredo44
For myself, fidelity wouldn't even rank in the top five requirements in my marriage.

How convenient for you.

224 posted on 06/15/2003 2:43:15 PM PDT by BlessedBeGod
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To: Joe Republc
The article that you posted had not been previously posted to this thread. I actually don't have any problem with what the guy says, and the comments that I made were directed at other issues.
225 posted on 06/15/2003 2:44:17 PM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: BlessedBeGod
How convenient for you.

In what way?

226 posted on 06/15/2003 2:44:50 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: laredo44
"There are numerous methods of having sex, only one of which carries the risk of pregnancy."

But they all carry the risk of disease.
227 posted on 06/15/2003 2:46:55 PM PDT by SendShaqtoIraq
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To: SendShaqtoIraq
Or is diabetic or has multiple sclerosis or is a black man with hypertension or... Need I go on?

No. Do you even know who Rafael Palmeiro is?

And, everything you mention is a physical malady. Which is, basically what I said.

228 posted on 06/15/2003 2:47:51 PM PDT by sinkspur
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To: laredo44
You need to have about $100K annual income before you are allowed to have one :0)

(in=on)

229 posted on 06/15/2003 2:48:09 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: TheSpottedOwl
>>>>The wedding is at City Hall in Los Angeles. They've been engaged for 2 years, known each other (as friends) for 4 years. Since they moved out here from Connecticut, they've been hit financially hard, so when he got hit with the mother of all state tax bills they decided to forgo the big wedding in Hawaii and just make it legal. I told them they can renew their vows, or have the marriage blessed later on. We're driving out first thing tomorrow to pick up the grandbaby and her mother tomorrow. Baby is doing great :)>>>>>

That is a wise choice even in good times. Always better to spend money wisely than waste it on day kissing a bunch of people you don't know. LOL Weddings seem like such a tragic waste of money and just add to the financial stress of marriage when a couple is starting out. That is easy for me to say though since they didn't have dreamy magazines of white weddings where I grew up. I just never saw the point. Romance comes in many different formats. :)

Enjoy what is the treasure... them uniting amongst close friends and family.


230 posted on 06/15/2003 2:48:24 PM PDT by Gabrielle Reilly
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To: Mister Magoo
But if you are still celibate at 33, there is something wrong.

Make that 35, please?

231 posted on 06/15/2003 2:48:48 PM PDT by lowbridge (34 and celibate :-))
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To: WFTR
A third factor is that for those of us who don't care for the bar scene, it's hard to meet people. I'm certainly no social butterfly, but I'm not a hermit either. However, I can't remember the last time my normal life brought me in contact with someone who would even be worth dating. Once one leaves college, the opportunities to meet people just aren't there. I met some women in church, but my perspective was always just a little too off-kilter to attract them. Most would say that my ideas were reasonable and thoughtful, but they'd rather date guys who just blindly parroted the "party line."

I don't go to bars, don't leave the house after dark, actually. The most fun I've had is FReeping Gov Gray Davis a couple of times since my divorce. I went back to school and everyone except my professors are young enough to be my children. Yeah it's hard to find someone suitable, especially when the 2 kids at home are a little ornery, not to mention my listening tastes....conservative talk radio and heavy metal. We won't even get into my sense of humor.

232 posted on 06/15/2003 2:50:45 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: laredo44
Bikini girls grow in trees.

Where can I get one of those trees?

Trust me, you can't afford it. :-)

233 posted on 06/15/2003 2:52:57 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (Why aren't we checking the DNC for WMDs?)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
>>>>conservative talk radio and heavy metal. We won't even get into my sense of humor.>>>>

LOL You once said I was as weird as you. I think your right. :)

234 posted on 06/15/2003 2:53:41 PM PDT by Gabrielle Reilly
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To: laredo44
Fidelity is a character issue. If you can't trust someone not to step out on you, how can you trust them at all?
235 posted on 06/15/2003 2:54:12 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: Mister Magoo
If I had a son that was 33, and had been celibate for 10 years, during his sexual prime, I'd think there was something wrong with him.

If my son had been celibate at 13 or 23, much less 33, I would have sent him to a Psychiatrist and an Endocrinologist.

So9

236 posted on 06/15/2003 2:56:22 PM PDT by Servant of the Nine (We are the Hegemon. We can Do anything we damned well please.)
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To: Poohbah
I never said they should get engaged (formally) after six months, but she needed assurance that they weren't going to be Friends Forever and that all the abstaining would be to a purpose, someday.

He couldn't give her that, and probably should have known his feelings weren't equal to hers a lot earlier on.

237 posted on 06/15/2003 2:56:25 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: WFTR
FYI,

My Chuck Colson posting wasn't directed to you in particular. Hitting 'Post Reply' to a specific comment is the only way I know to post to an existing thread.

Regards,
-- Joe
238 posted on 06/15/2003 2:56:58 PM PDT by Joe Republc
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To: 7 x 77
Never (and he manages to go to mass every morning), but he's been a slave to the beer, TV and isolation for decades. His 45-year-old son died of the same disease a few years ago.

Well at least that's something. Sorry to hear about your cousin though. That's got to be hard for your Aunt.

239 posted on 06/15/2003 2:57:09 PM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (America...love it or leave it. Canada is due north-Mexico is directly south...start walking.)
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To: Servant of the Nine
>>>>If my son had been celibate at 13 or 23, much less 33, I would have sent him to a Psychiatrist and an Endocrinologist.

So9>>>>>

LOL




240 posted on 06/15/2003 2:59:04 PM PDT by Gabrielle Reilly
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