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Americans owe Confederate history respect
Columbia Tribune ^ | June 10, 2003 | Chris Edwards

Posted on 06/13/2003 6:22:01 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

After attending the Confederate Memorial Day service on June 1 in Higginsville, I found myself believing our nation should be ashamed for not giving more respect and recognition to our ancestors.

I understand that some find the Confederate flag offensive because they feel it represents slavery and oppression. Well, here are the facts: The Confederate flag flew over the South from 1861 to 1865. That's a total of four years. The U.S. Constitution was ratified in April 1789, and that document protected and condoned the institution of slavery from 1789 to 1861. In other words, if we denigrate the Confederate flag for representing slavery for four years, shouldn't we also vilify the U.S. flag for representing slavery for 72 years? Unless we're hypocrites, it is clear that one flag is no less pure than the other.

A fascinating aspect of studying the Civil War is researching the issues that led to the confrontation. The more you read, the less black-and-white the issues become. President Abraham Lincoln said he would do anything to save the union, even if that meant preserving the institution of slavery. Lincoln's focus was obviously on the union, not slavery.

In another case, historians William McFeely and Gene Smith write that Union Gen. Ulysses S. Grant threatened to "throw down his sword" if he thought he was fighting to end slavery.

Closer to home, in 1864, Col. William Switzler, one of the most respected Union men in Boone County, purchased a slave named Dick for $126. What makes this transaction interesting is not only the fact that Switzler was a Union man but that he bought the slave one year after the issuance of the Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation. Of course, history students know the proclamation did not include slaves living in the North or in border states such as Missouri.

So if this war was fought strictly over slavery, why were so many Unionists reluctant to act like that was the issue?

In reviewing the motives that led to the Civil War, one should read the letters soldiers wrote home to their loved ones. Historian John Perry, who studied the soldier's correspondence, says in his three years of research, he failed to find one letter that referred to slavery from Confederate or Union soldiers.

Perry says that Yankees tended to write about preserving the Union and Confederates wrote about protecting their rights from a too-powerful federal government. The numerous letters failed to specifically say soldiers were fighting either to destroy or protect the institution of slavery. Shelby Foote, in his three-volume Civil War history, recounts an incident in which a Union soldier asks a Confederate prisoner captured in Tennessee why he was fighting. The rebel responded, "Because you're down here."

History tends to overlook the South's efforts to resolve the issue of slavery. For example, in 1863, because of a shortage of manpower, Lincoln permitted the enlistment of black soldiers into the Union Army. Battlefield documents bear out the fact that these units were composed of some of the finest fighting men in the war. Unfortunately for these brave soldiers, the Union used them as cannon fodder, preferring to sacrifice black lives instead of whites.

These courageous black Union soldiers experienced a Pyrrhic victory for their right to engage in combat. However, history has little to say about the South's same effort in 1865. The Confederacy, its own troop strength depleted, offered slaves freedom if they volunteered for the army.

We know that between 75,000 and 100,000 blacks responded to this call, causing Frederick Douglass to bemoan the fact that blacks were joining the Confederacy. But the assimilation of black slaves into the Confederate army was short-lived as the war came to an end before the government's policy could be fully implemented.

It's tragic that Missouri does not do more to recognize the bravery of the men who fought in the Missouri Confederate brigades who fought valiantly in every battle they were engaged in. To many Confederate generals, the Missouri brigades were considered the best fighting units in the South.

The courage these boys from Missouri demonstrated at Port Gibson and Champion Hill, Miss., Franklin, Tenn., and Fort Blakely, Ala., represent just a few of the incredible sacrifices they withstood on the battlefield. Missouri should celebrate their struggles instead of damning them.

For the real story about the Missouri Confederate brigades, one should read Phil Gottschalk and Philip Tucker's excellent books about these units. The amount of blood spilled by these Missouri boys on the field of battle will make you cry.

Our Confederate ancestors deserve better from this nation. They fought for what they believed in and lost. Most important, we should remember that when they surrendered, they gave up the fight completely. Defeated Confederate soldiers did not resort to guerrilla warfare or form renegade bands that refused to surrender. These men simply laid down their arms, went home and lived peacefully under the U.S. flag. When these ex-Confederates died, they died Americans.

During the postwar period, ex-Confederates overwhelmingly supported the Democratic Party. This party, led in Missouri by Rep. Dick Gephardt and Gov. Bob Holden, has chosen to turn its back on its fallen sons.

The act of pulling down Confederate flags at two obscure Confederate cemeteries for the sake of promoting Gephardt's hopeless quest for the presidency was a cowardly decision. I pray these men will rethink their decision.

The reality is, when it comes to slavery, the Confederate and United States flags drip with an equal amount of blood.


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To: nolu chan
Many people forget that the first shot of the war as fired by South Carolina rebels at the Star of the West, months before.

Your talk of the United States Army invading a part of the United States makes no more sense than people claiming that the United States Army invaded Arkansas in 1957 when President Eisenhower used the 81st Airborne Division to overcome the Democrat Governor's defiance of a Supreme Court decision. No rebellious conclave in any town, county, or state can ever override the Constitution.
581 posted on 06/19/2003 2:37:36 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: WhiskeyPapa; F16Fighter
[Walt] You don't have to condemn Lee as a slave holder (he owned @ 10 slaves of his own; his wife owned 63) to say he is a bad example.

Walt, do you have any documentation that either Lee or his wife "owned" slaves?

The Arlington estate was the property of G.W.P. Custis. R.E. Lee was the executor of his estate and executed his will which included setting the slaves of the estate free.

Mrs. Lee did not inherit ownership of the estate but lifetime tenancy. The estate itself was willed to her son.

582 posted on 06/19/2003 3:51:16 AM PDT by nolu chan
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To: nolu chan; WhiskeyPapa; F16Fighter; Non-Sequitur
Robert Lee not owning slaves? That would be a distinction without a difference, as he lived off their labor and exercised mastery over them. Stephen Douglas, a Democrat Senator from Illinois, tried just such a dodge, living off the labor of 140 slaves at a Mississippi plantation he made sure to keep in his wife's name.
583 posted on 06/19/2003 4:05:36 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: nolu chan
Walt, do you have any documentation that either Lee or his wife "owned" slaves?

"Citing Lee's 1846 will in the records of Rockbridge County, Virginia, [Douglas Southall] Freeman states that "he had never owned more than some half-dozen slaves, and they had probably been inherited or given him by Mrs. Custis [his wife's mother]." In another passage, [Douglas Southall] Freeman reports that "the negroes at Arlington numbered sixty-three." It is therefore clear that Lee and his family did own slaves."

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"My name is Wesley Norris; I was born a slave on the plantation of George Parke Curtis; after the death of Mr. Curtis, Gen. Lee, who had been made executor of the estate, assumed control of the slaves, in number about seventy; it was the general impression among the slaves of Mr. Curtis that on his death they should be forever free; in fact this statement had been made to them by Mr. C. years before; at his death we were informed by Gen. Lee that by the conditions of the will we must remain slaves for five years; I remained with Gen. Lee for about seventeen months, when my sister Mary, a cousin of ours, and I determined to run away, which we did in the year 1859, we had already reached Westminster, in Maryland, on our way to the North, when we were apprehended and thrown into prison, and Gen Lee notified of our arrest; we remained in prison fifteen days, when we were sent back to Arlington; we were immediately taken before Gen. Lee, who demanded the reason why we ran away; we frankly told him that we considered ourselves free; he then told us he would teach us a lesson we never would forget; he then ordered us to the barn, where, in his presence, we were tied firmly to posts by a Mr. Gwin, our overseer, who was ordered by Gen. Lee to strip us to the waist and give us fifty lashes each, excepting my sister, who received but twenty; we were accordingly stripped to the skin by the overseer, who, however, had sufficient humanity to decline whipping us; accordingly Dick Williams, a county constable, was called in, who gave us the number of lashes ordered; Gen. Lee, in the meantime, stood by, and frequently enjoined Williams to 'lay it on well,' an injunction which he did not fail to heed; not satisfied with simply lacerating our naked flesh, Gen. Lee then ordered the overseer to thoroughly wash our backs with brine, which was done. After this my cousin and myself were sent to Hanover Court-House jail, my sister being sent to Richmond to an agent to be hired; we remained in jail about a week, when we were sent to Nelson county, where we were hired out by Gen. Lee's agent to work on the Orange and Alexander railroad ; we remained thus employed for about seven months, and were then sent to Alabama, and put to work on what is known as the Northeastern railroad; in January, 1863, we were sent to Richmond, from which place I finally made my escape through the rebel lines to freedom; I have nothing further to say; what I have stated is true in every particular, and I can at any time bring at least a dozen witnesses, both white and black, to substantiate my statements; I am at present employed by the Government, and am at work in the Nation Cemetery on Arlington Heights, where I can be found by those who desire further particulars; by sister referred to is at present employed by the French Minister at Washington, and will confirm my statement." [National Anti-Slavery Standard, April 14, 1866]

Reprinted in SLAVE TESTIMONY, edited by John. W. Blassingame p 467-68 In a letter to his son Rooney, Robert E. Lee wrote:

And this:

"I fear I shall have to purchase a servant. I find it almost impossible to hire one, and nearly all the officers in the department have been obliged to resort to purchase. . . ."

In other words, "I prefer to rent." I would suggest the reasons for this are likely similar to the reasons people with means prefer to rent houses. Ownership of a piece of property is often inconvenient to people in certain circumstances.

Lee continues, "At present I have a boy belonging to Major Marlin for whom I pay $20 per month. I have thought some one about Richmond might have a good family servant for whom they are obliged to part, and for whom they would like to procure a master. Do you know of any?"

It is notable that Rooney Lee left this letter out of his collection of his father's correspondence."

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Walt

584 posted on 06/19/2003 4:13:47 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Sorry. I just don't get what all the fuss is about. The south and the north fought a war. The south lost the war. I wasn't born yet but I had ancestors on both sides, more on the south. These men fought bravely for what they believed. I got a little PO's with CJWolf wanting to call them losers. Using his logic the US Soldiers who fought in Nam are losers, (that makes me wish to put a pop knot on his head). He tried to make a differnce between surrender and withdrawl. Either way you are giving up the fight. I don't know anyone who can disprove the fact the the CSA did not have the financial or industrial might to win the war. The Confederate Soldier was the equal if not the better soldier. But the Confederate Soldier was on the wrong side of what proved to be an unjust war. If I apply CJWolf's logic, Bill Clinton is a winner and all Americans are losers. Thanks
585 posted on 06/19/2003 4:22:09 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Read Buddy's, (the labrador retriever), new book about the Clintons, "Living Hell")
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To: Grand Old Partisan; nolu chan; WhiskeyPapa; F16Fighter
The fact that Robert Lee owned slaves in the 1850's is documented through the records at the Library of Congress, among other places. When Lee freed his slaves in the 1850's he also paid passage to Liberia for some of them, in keeping with the requirements of the Virginia constitution which required that freed slaves leave Virginia within 12 months of emancipation or be sold back into slavery. Here is a link to a Library of Congress website that details the fate of two of Lee's former slaves, William and Rosabella Burke. William Burke attended a Presbyterian seminary in Liberia and became a minister. Rosabella Burke carried on a correspondence with Mrs. Lee until the war broke out.

Stephen Douglas, a Democrat Senator from Illinois, tried just such a dodge, living off the labor of 140 slaves at a Mississippi plantation he made sure to keep in his wife's name.

When Stephen Douglas married Martha Martin in 1847, Robert Martin offered them his 2,500-acre plantation on the Pearl River in Lawrence County, Mississippi, which included more than 100 slaves, as a wedding present. Douglas refused the gift, using as an arguement the fact that he was a Northern man and was unfamiliar with southern agriculture and slave labor and was therefore not competent to manage a plantation. He suggested that Martin retain ownership and make provision for its disposition in his will. So when Robert Martin died a year later, the the terms of his will specified that the Pearl River plantation was bequeathed to Martha and eventually to her children. If Martha had no children, the slaves were to be given their freedom and sent to Liberia. While explicitly acknowledging that Douglas had no interest in owning the property, Martin's will designated Douglas as property manager and directed that he henceforth receive twenty per cent of the plantation's annual income for his services. This arrangement doesn't appear to be much different that the situation that Robert Lee was in with his father-in-laws will, and you steadfastly maintain that Lee didn't actually own those slaves. Can you know agree that Douglas didn't own any, either?

586 posted on 06/19/2003 4:40:09 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Flurry
I don't get into this "loser" biz.

Wars are not fought by geographical regions; they are fought by people. During the Civil War, more than a quarter of southern combattants (300,000) fought for the United States Government, while many northern Democrats supported the Confederates.
587 posted on 06/19/2003 4:45:56 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Non-Sequitur
No, Douglas and Lee both lived off the labor of slaves over whom they exercised mastery, meaning that denails of their not owning slaves are Clintonesque.

588 posted on 06/19/2003 4:52:34 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
If we really look at it in terms of present time, both sides won and lost. The original post had to do with honoring the Confederate Dead and the removal of the Battle flag from several memorials. CJ wanted to turn it into Battle Flag is just there to keep a brother down issue. His chosing to use the loser term was a mistake and CJ is obviously one of those folks who can admit a mistake was made. I don't have a Confederate flag because I am an American. I don't think bumper stickers and tags of the flag are anything but racist crap. But a Confederate flag flown over a memorial is historically appropriate.
589 posted on 06/19/2003 4:57:40 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Read Buddy's, (the labrador retriever), new book about the Clintons, "Living Hell")
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To: Grand Old Partisan
"My belief that Abraham Lincoln was our greatest President is shared by over two hundred million Americans. Perhaps you should avoid them too!"

And some 800 million Chinese thought Mao was the bee's knees. The 200 million he slaughtered think differently, I think.
590 posted on 06/19/2003 5:22:20 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: Grand Old Partisan
"Talk of an invasion of the South by the North is ridiculous. How about the 300,000 southerners who fought for the U.S. Government? How about the Confederate invasions of Arizona, New Mexico, Kentucky, Pennsylvania, Maryland, and DC? How about the Confederate "invasions" of Unionist Appalachia and the Ozarks?"

You can't be that dumb. The North STARTED the whole damn thing by invading Virginia (Does the name Bull Run, or Manassas ring a bell?). As for Confederate forays into New Mexico and Arizona, guess what, they were not states at the time, and there were Union troops already there, thus presenting a valid target. Kentucky was a neutral border state, as was Maryland, and both forces fought there. The ONLY Union state that the South "invaded" was Pennsylvania, in 1863, more than two years after the war started. Your fanatical hatred of the South is frightening. You are indeed a liberal Democrat, because only liberal Democrats are capable of such deep and obsessive hatred.
591 posted on 06/19/2003 5:31:16 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: ought-six
The North STARTED the whole damn thing by invading Virginia (Does the name Bull Run, or Manassas ring a bell?).

Bull Run was in July, at least two months after the confederate congress had declared war. Did the south think that, once they had declared it, war would not come to them?

ONLY Union state that the South "invaded" was Pennsylvania, in 1863...

Did you forget Maryland in 1862 and 1863? Missouri in 1861, 1862, 1863, and 1864? Kentucky in 1861, 1862 and 1863? Morgan's raid into Indiana, Ohio, and Kentucky in 1863? Kansas in 1863 and 1864?

592 posted on 06/19/2003 5:38:33 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Flurry
Flurry Flurry Flurry, you take things way too seriously. A couple of hours ago you were threatening me because I called confederates losers, bigger losers then the French.

My mistake was not making sure people understood I wasn't refering to southerners in general. I am glad we have cleared that up.


593 posted on 06/19/2003 6:49:06 AM PDT by CJ Wolf
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To: CJ Wolf
I'm not talking about southerners in general. I still maintain that most Confederate soldiers were not losers. But I'm tired of the argument so I will now Withdraw. I certainly don't want to surrender and face the music so I'll just walk away.
594 posted on 06/19/2003 7:11:59 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Read Buddy's, (the labrador retriever), new book about the Clintons, "Living Hell")
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To: Flurry
I don't have a Confederate flag because I am an American. I don't think bumper stickers and tags of the flag are anything but racist crap. But a Confederate flag flown over a memorial is historically appropriate.

Well said.

595 posted on 06/19/2003 9:31:28 AM PDT by mac_truck
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To: mac_truck
Thank you. History is history we can't make it go away and we shouldn't try. If we can't glean a lesson from history we are doomed to repeat it. I seldom use exact quotes.
596 posted on 06/19/2003 9:42:47 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Read Buddy's, (the labrador retriever), new book about the Clintons, "Living Hell")
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Your talk of the United States Army invading a part of the United States makes no more sense than people claiming that the United States Army invaded Arkansas in 1957 when President Eisenhower used the 81st Airborne Division to overcome the Democrat Governor's defiance of a Supreme Court decision.

Sure it does. Eisenhower's troops didn't open fire on the people of Arkansas, nor were they used to run the state government out of office. Lincoln's were.

597 posted on 06/19/2003 11:43:05 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: GOPcapitalist
The soldiers of the 82nd Airborne and the Arkansas National Guard called into federal service carried loaded weapons and would definitely have used them if people there had tried to forcibly prevent the execution of federal law. As did Abraham Lincoln, Dwight Eisenhower would have used whatever means necessary to suppress another southern Democrat rebellion.
598 posted on 06/19/2003 12:02:52 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: bk1000
no country has ever raped a vanquished foe to the extent the South was raped, pillaged, and abused by the damn yankees after the war.

Wow. There's a sweeping statement. Yeah, the Japanese in China, the Germans in Poland, the Romans in Carthage, the Mongols, the Huns, the Soviets in Eastern Europe, the Aztecs...none of 'em hold a candle to the damnyankees, huh? I forget, which southern cities were the ones where the Yankees used babies for bayonet practice? How long was it before Southerners were made citizens again? How many of their officers and political leaders were executed? Jeez, man, Reconstruction barely registers on the scale of man's inhumanity to man, except in your restricted little worldview.

599 posted on 06/19/2003 12:27:45 PM PDT by Heyworth
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To: Grand Old Partisan
[GOP] Robert Lee not owning slaves? That would be a distinction without a difference, as he lived off their labor and exercised mastery over them.

In the interest of accuracy, let's make the distinction anyway. R.E. Lee's father-in-law owned slaves.

Lee was a career army officer. While Arlington was home, by marriage, it is hardly likely that he was stationed there.

How did this career army officer for the U.S. Army live off the labor of slaves?

As R.E. Lee was never the owner of Arlington, or its slaves, nor was he physically present at Arlington very much, how could he have exercised much mastery over anything at Arlington?

When G.W.P. Custis died, R.E. Lee became the executor of the will, not the owner of the estate.

600 posted on 06/19/2003 12:48:08 PM PDT by nolu chan
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