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Americans owe Confederate history respect
Columbia Tribune ^ | June 10, 2003 | Chris Edwards

Posted on 06/13/2003 6:22:01 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

After attending the Confederate Memorial Day service on June 1 in Higginsville, I found myself believing our nation should be ashamed for not giving more respect and recognition to our ancestors.

I understand that some find the Confederate flag offensive because they feel it represents slavery and oppression. Well, here are the facts: The Confederate flag flew over the South from 1861 to 1865. That's a total of four years. The U.S. Constitution was ratified in April 1789, and that document protected and condoned the institution of slavery from 1789 to 1861. In other words, if we denigrate the Confederate flag for representing slavery for four years, shouldn't we also vilify the U.S. flag for representing slavery for 72 years? Unless we're hypocrites, it is clear that one flag is no less pure than the other.

A fascinating aspect of studying the Civil War is researching the issues that led to the confrontation. The more you read, the less black-and-white the issues become. President Abraham Lincoln said he would do anything to save the union, even if that meant preserving the institution of slavery. Lincoln's focus was obviously on the union, not slavery.

In another case, historians William McFeely and Gene Smith write that Union Gen. Ulysses S. Grant threatened to "throw down his sword" if he thought he was fighting to end slavery.

Closer to home, in 1864, Col. William Switzler, one of the most respected Union men in Boone County, purchased a slave named Dick for $126. What makes this transaction interesting is not only the fact that Switzler was a Union man but that he bought the slave one year after the issuance of the Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation. Of course, history students know the proclamation did not include slaves living in the North or in border states such as Missouri.

So if this war was fought strictly over slavery, why were so many Unionists reluctant to act like that was the issue?

In reviewing the motives that led to the Civil War, one should read the letters soldiers wrote home to their loved ones. Historian John Perry, who studied the soldier's correspondence, says in his three years of research, he failed to find one letter that referred to slavery from Confederate or Union soldiers.

Perry says that Yankees tended to write about preserving the Union and Confederates wrote about protecting their rights from a too-powerful federal government. The numerous letters failed to specifically say soldiers were fighting either to destroy or protect the institution of slavery. Shelby Foote, in his three-volume Civil War history, recounts an incident in which a Union soldier asks a Confederate prisoner captured in Tennessee why he was fighting. The rebel responded, "Because you're down here."

History tends to overlook the South's efforts to resolve the issue of slavery. For example, in 1863, because of a shortage of manpower, Lincoln permitted the enlistment of black soldiers into the Union Army. Battlefield documents bear out the fact that these units were composed of some of the finest fighting men in the war. Unfortunately for these brave soldiers, the Union used them as cannon fodder, preferring to sacrifice black lives instead of whites.

These courageous black Union soldiers experienced a Pyrrhic victory for their right to engage in combat. However, history has little to say about the South's same effort in 1865. The Confederacy, its own troop strength depleted, offered slaves freedom if they volunteered for the army.

We know that between 75,000 and 100,000 blacks responded to this call, causing Frederick Douglass to bemoan the fact that blacks were joining the Confederacy. But the assimilation of black slaves into the Confederate army was short-lived as the war came to an end before the government's policy could be fully implemented.

It's tragic that Missouri does not do more to recognize the bravery of the men who fought in the Missouri Confederate brigades who fought valiantly in every battle they were engaged in. To many Confederate generals, the Missouri brigades were considered the best fighting units in the South.

The courage these boys from Missouri demonstrated at Port Gibson and Champion Hill, Miss., Franklin, Tenn., and Fort Blakely, Ala., represent just a few of the incredible sacrifices they withstood on the battlefield. Missouri should celebrate their struggles instead of damning them.

For the real story about the Missouri Confederate brigades, one should read Phil Gottschalk and Philip Tucker's excellent books about these units. The amount of blood spilled by these Missouri boys on the field of battle will make you cry.

Our Confederate ancestors deserve better from this nation. They fought for what they believed in and lost. Most important, we should remember that when they surrendered, they gave up the fight completely. Defeated Confederate soldiers did not resort to guerrilla warfare or form renegade bands that refused to surrender. These men simply laid down their arms, went home and lived peacefully under the U.S. flag. When these ex-Confederates died, they died Americans.

During the postwar period, ex-Confederates overwhelmingly supported the Democratic Party. This party, led in Missouri by Rep. Dick Gephardt and Gov. Bob Holden, has chosen to turn its back on its fallen sons.

The act of pulling down Confederate flags at two obscure Confederate cemeteries for the sake of promoting Gephardt's hopeless quest for the presidency was a cowardly decision. I pray these men will rethink their decision.

The reality is, when it comes to slavery, the Confederate and United States flags drip with an equal amount of blood.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: confederate; dixie; dixielist; history; losers; missouri; ridewiththedevil; soldiers; south
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To: honeygrl; wimpycat
You are implying that the southern rebels were not bitter before Reconstruction, such as when they were killing hundreds of thousands of U. S. troops.
561 posted on 06/18/2003 2:33:31 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
The US Army and the CS Army fought what is called a "war", which means they killed hundreds of thousands of each other. You can go try to nip at someone else's ankles with that sort of talk now, 'cos I ain't going for it.
562 posted on 06/18/2003 3:08:26 PM PDT by wimpycat (Another great tagline coming soon! Brought to you by Acme Builders....)
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To: honeygrl
high five
563 posted on 06/18/2003 3:10:08 PM PDT by wimpycat (Another great tagline coming soon! Brought to you by Acme Builders....)
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To: CJ Wolf
I told you you were a loser hours ago. It's too bad you hate southerners so much. We usually wait to get to know someone before we hate them or like them. In your case most of us would just consider you a gnat on a horse's arse.
564 posted on 06/18/2003 3:12:15 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Read Buddy's, (the labrador retriever), new book about the Clintons, "Living Hell")
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To: WhiskeyPapa
Well, for one thing, the soldiers on Battan didn't melt away in mass desertions; the rebel army did.

Well, yes, after four years. Come on, Walt, you can give the Army of Northern Virginia some credit, can't you. ;-)

For another, the Japanese, like the rebels, depended entirely on one factor for victory - that the United States people would lose heart. That is a bad assumption to base life and decisions on.

In my opinion, both sides went into the war with dillusions of a quick and easy victory.

The North was deluded into thinking that they could march in and win the war in one afternoon while Congressmen and their ladies had a picnic on a nearby hill and the South was deluded into thinking that a single Southerner could "whip ten Yankees".

The North grossly underestimated Southern tenacity and the South grossly underestimated the North's industrial advantage as well as Northern tenacity.

565 posted on 06/18/2003 3:19:52 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: wimpycat
You're missing my point. Resentment in the South against the Republican Party began well before Reconstruction, even before the Civil War. Remember, eleven states tried to secede rather than live under a Republican administration.
566 posted on 06/18/2003 3:31:03 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
"Bitter" isn't the same as "resentful". Different shades of meaning.
567 posted on 06/18/2003 3:33:18 PM PDT by wimpycat (Another great tagline coming soon! Brought to you by Acme Builders....)
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To: sharktrager
Same jerks want to ban the Scottish Saint Andrews flag.

Run up the national Somalia flag:

Blue field with one large white center star...

The same as the Bonnie Blue flag flow into battle by the Rebs!

Somalia; an African nation of native born blacks.

Bite that NAACP and Jesse Jackson!

Great on yer front bumper if no front state license plate required

Great covering yer entire pickup, Hummer, or SUV tailgate.

What could they say about our beloved "Bonnie Blue"?

- As always, the obscure solution yet elegant and unimpeachable...


autoresponder

568 posted on 06/18/2003 3:34:59 PM PDT by autoresponder (SOME CAN*T HANDLE THE TRUTH...THE NYT ESPECIALLY!)
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To: wimpycat
How very Clintonesque!
569 posted on 06/18/2003 3:40:35 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Don't start with me, you grand old coot! There is a difference between being bitter and resentful, and about 10 years of Reconstruction will take you from one to the other.

Besides, I sent you a FReepmail, which you should read, and hopefully, you'll stop sniping at me.
570 posted on 06/18/2003 3:55:34 PM PDT by wimpycat (Another great tagline coming soon! Brought to you by Acme Builders....)
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To: wimpycat
Sniping at you?
571 posted on 06/18/2003 3:57:47 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Yes, sniping at me with that "Clintonesque" remark.

Atlas Reverse Dictionary Rhyming Dictionary Dictionary Thesaurus Merriam-Webster Unabridged

One entry found for snipe.
Main Entry: 2snipe
Function: intransitive verb
Inflected Form(s): sniped; snip·ing
Date: 1832
1 : to shoot at exposed individuals (as of an enemy's forces) from a usually concealed point of vantage
2 : to aim a carping or snide attack
- snip·er noun

572 posted on 06/18/2003 4:01:45 PM PDT by wimpycat (Another great tagline coming soon! Brought to you by Acme Builders....)
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To: Polybius
Those who laugh at the old jokes about Confederate money should remember:

"Save your Confederate money boys, the South shall rise again!"

- Authentic original Confederate paper money is now worth from 2-100 times that of current US currency.

- The North's industrial power of NY State's Niagara/Buffalo area and New England is now in the South.

- Michelin and BMW in SC

- Mercedes in GA

- My orginal Civil War Hartford CT Colt manufacture circa 1861 Model-1862 .31 caliber (prototype 3-digit SN#!) Colt Pocket Navy (converted for a former Reb officer from New Orleans by Colt Mfg. in 1872 at the Hartford factory to .38 rimfire cartridge Sheriff's Model) is a Reb captured handgun, as is my circa 1862 Model-1860 Colt Army caliber .44 (with extra 4-digit SN# prototype 12-notch Springfield Conversion cylinder to fire .44 rimfire cartridges) is also a Reb battle capture handgun. (with a rare detachable Model-3 Walnut Shoulder Stock designed and developed by Jeff Davis pre-CW for fighting Mexicans and Indians)

Both worth 4 times that of a regular Yank Colt Civil War revolver.

I have two crossed M-1860 officer's battle sabres on my wall here, one a Yank sabre; one a Reb.

The Reb one is not in as good condition but is worth 20 times that of the Yank sabre.

I'm Yankee born, raised in South Florida, back to CT, then to W-NC, then back to CT.

I found the races got along better in the South and unless you can found a black Southern born and raised cook up North it is impossible to get edible bar-b-que or ribs. That's just the truth Jack!

Years ago my Company Commander was a black Captain. My basic training Sarge was black too.

They turned young boys into men.

They taught me how to survive, I taught them and my company how to always hit a running target the size of a rabbit ruunning in tall pasture grass at night by starlight alone.

We taught each other and saved a lot of future lives.

Last day of basic at Fort Jackson we gave Sargeant Love a quart of good Scottish single malt scotch and a quart of Kentucky bourbon.

He headed for his room trying to hide his moist eyes to go test the primo booze out.

He must have a weeklong hangover.

We all missed them the next day at home for a short furlough before returning for advanced traing at Jackson and Benning.

God bless Sarge Love!
573 posted on 06/18/2003 4:25:02 PM PDT by autoresponder (SOME CAN*T HANDLE THE TRUTH...THE NYT ESPECIALLY!)
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To: Grand Old Partisan
Is this a Republican support thread. If it is the south has supported more Republicans in modern times than any yankee state. It sounds to me that the war is over here but not wherever the heck you are. The south LOST the war but the men who fought on both sides were not losers
574 posted on 06/18/2003 4:36:01 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Read Buddy's, (the labrador retriever), new book about the Clintons, "Living Hell")
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To: Flurry
I never got into the "loser" biz on this thread.
575 posted on 06/18/2003 4:37:39 PM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: autoresponder; WhiskeyPapa
Those who laugh at the old jokes about Confederate money should remember: - Authentic original Confederate paper money is now worth from 2-100 times that of current US currency.

During the mid-1980's, I started a collection of Confederate paper money. I must admit that the U.S. paper money I paid for them has steadily decreased in value while the Confederate paper money has continued to increase in value. ;-)

To be fair, however, it must be remembered that Confederate paper money was a worthless "collectible" right after the war and a great amount of it was stored away as souveniers and has survived to the present day. The United States paper money of the Civil War era, however, was not tucked away but was kept in circulation until it wore out. Thus, far fewer Civil War era examples of Union paper money have survived. Therefore, although Confederate paper money is still affordable, albeit expensive, an example of Civil War era United States paper money is beyond the price range of most collectors.

This site has nice images of Confederate currency.

This site has smaller images of United States Civil War era currency.

576 posted on 06/18/2003 5:41:17 PM PDT by Polybius
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To: autoresponder
Wow, that's something I didn't know and I'm glad you told me about the flags being the same. Great idea too.
577 posted on 06/18/2003 8:12:54 PM PDT by honeygrl ("Sometimes I think war is God's way of teaching us geography." - Paul Rodriguez)
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To: WhiskeyPapa; GOPcapitalist
The case of Cohens v. Virginia concerned whether one Cohens had the right to sell lottery tickets in the state of Virginia. The Supreme Court considered a writ of error. The court ruled unanimously, "motion denied."

In its considerations, the court stated, "The writ of error is given rather than an appeal, because it is the more usual mode of removing suits at common law; and because, perhaps, it is more technically proper where a single point of law, and not the whole case, is to be re-examined."

In considering the writ of error in the case of Cohens, a case about the right to sell lottery tickets in Virginia, the single point of law re-examined by the Supreme Court was not the right of a state to secede from the union.

The Court said:

Cohens v. Virginia
6 Wheat. 264 (1821 )
Mr. Chief Justice Marshall delivered the opinion of the Court.

This is a writ of error to a judgment rendered in the Court of Hustings for the borough of Norfolk, as an information for selling lottery tickets, contrary to an act of the Legislature of Virginia. In the State Court, the defendant claimed the protection of an act of Congress.

* * *

The counsel for the defendant in error have . . . laid down the general proposition, that a sovereign independent State is not suable, except by its own consent.

This general proposition will not be controverted. But its consent is not requisite in each particular case. It may be given in a general law. And if a State has surrendered any portion of its sovereignty, the question whether a liability to suit be a part of this portion, depends on the instrument by which the surrender is made. If, upon a just construction of that instrument, it shall appear that the State has submitted to be sued, then it has parted with this sovereign right of judging in every case on the justice of its own pretensions, and has entrusted that power to a tribunal in whose impartiality it confides.

* * *

Under the judiciary act, the effect of a writ of error is simply to bring the record into Court, and submit the judgment of the inferior tribunal to re-examination. It does not in any manner act upon the parties; it acts only on the record. It removes the record into the supervising tribunal.

* * *

The writ of error is given rather than an appeal, because it is the more usual mode of removing suits at common law; and because, perhaps, it is more technically proper where a single point of law, and not the whole case, is to be re-examined.

* * *

The only part of the proceeding which is in any manner personal, is the citation. And what is the citation? It is simply notice to the opposite party that the record is transferred into another Court, where he may appear, or decline to appear, as his judgment or inclination may determine. As the party who has obtained a judgment is out of Court, and may, therefore, not know that his cause is removed, common justice requires that notice of the fact should be given him. But this notice is not a suit, nor has it the effect of process. If the party does not choose to appear, he cannot be brought into Court, nor is his failure to appear considered as a default.

* * *

It is clear, that Congress cannot punish felonies generally; and, of consequence, cannot punish misprision of felony. It is equally clear, that a State legislature, the State of Maryland for example, cannot punish those who, in another State, conceal a felony committed in Maryland.

* * *

The whole merits of this case, then, consist in the construction of the constitution and the act of Congress. The jurisdiction of the Court, if acknowledged, goes no farther. This we are required to do without the exercise of jurisdiction.

Motion denied.

578 posted on 06/19/2003 1:03:01 AM PDT by nolu chan
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To: stainlessbanner
Trading barbs about the Civil War in modern day context seems small to me...of course I could be wrong but I thought that War was over...at least i'd hoped it was.

Liberty
579 posted on 06/19/2003 1:19:50 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: Grand Old Partisan; GOPcapitalist
[GOP] Considering that rebels in South Carolina started the war by shooting at a federal government installation, complaints by any South Carolinian about subsequently being "invaded" were lame in the extreme.

I believe this assertion may be in error. It would appear that the first act of war was not the firing on Fort Sumpter at approximately 4:30am on April 12, 1861, but the invasion of reinforcing troops to Fort Pickens on the night of April 11, 1861.
580 posted on 06/19/2003 2:15:53 AM PDT by nolu chan
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