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Americans owe Confederate history respect
Columbia Tribune ^ | June 10, 2003 | Chris Edwards

Posted on 06/13/2003 6:22:01 AM PDT by stainlessbanner

After attending the Confederate Memorial Day service on June 1 in Higginsville, I found myself believing our nation should be ashamed for not giving more respect and recognition to our ancestors.

I understand that some find the Confederate flag offensive because they feel it represents slavery and oppression. Well, here are the facts: The Confederate flag flew over the South from 1861 to 1865. That's a total of four years. The U.S. Constitution was ratified in April 1789, and that document protected and condoned the institution of slavery from 1789 to 1861. In other words, if we denigrate the Confederate flag for representing slavery for four years, shouldn't we also vilify the U.S. flag for representing slavery for 72 years? Unless we're hypocrites, it is clear that one flag is no less pure than the other.

A fascinating aspect of studying the Civil War is researching the issues that led to the confrontation. The more you read, the less black-and-white the issues become. President Abraham Lincoln said he would do anything to save the union, even if that meant preserving the institution of slavery. Lincoln's focus was obviously on the union, not slavery.

In another case, historians William McFeely and Gene Smith write that Union Gen. Ulysses S. Grant threatened to "throw down his sword" if he thought he was fighting to end slavery.

Closer to home, in 1864, Col. William Switzler, one of the most respected Union men in Boone County, purchased a slave named Dick for $126. What makes this transaction interesting is not only the fact that Switzler was a Union man but that he bought the slave one year after the issuance of the Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation. Of course, history students know the proclamation did not include slaves living in the North or in border states such as Missouri.

So if this war was fought strictly over slavery, why were so many Unionists reluctant to act like that was the issue?

In reviewing the motives that led to the Civil War, one should read the letters soldiers wrote home to their loved ones. Historian John Perry, who studied the soldier's correspondence, says in his three years of research, he failed to find one letter that referred to slavery from Confederate or Union soldiers.

Perry says that Yankees tended to write about preserving the Union and Confederates wrote about protecting their rights from a too-powerful federal government. The numerous letters failed to specifically say soldiers were fighting either to destroy or protect the institution of slavery. Shelby Foote, in his three-volume Civil War history, recounts an incident in which a Union soldier asks a Confederate prisoner captured in Tennessee why he was fighting. The rebel responded, "Because you're down here."

History tends to overlook the South's efforts to resolve the issue of slavery. For example, in 1863, because of a shortage of manpower, Lincoln permitted the enlistment of black soldiers into the Union Army. Battlefield documents bear out the fact that these units were composed of some of the finest fighting men in the war. Unfortunately for these brave soldiers, the Union used them as cannon fodder, preferring to sacrifice black lives instead of whites.

These courageous black Union soldiers experienced a Pyrrhic victory for their right to engage in combat. However, history has little to say about the South's same effort in 1865. The Confederacy, its own troop strength depleted, offered slaves freedom if they volunteered for the army.

We know that between 75,000 and 100,000 blacks responded to this call, causing Frederick Douglass to bemoan the fact that blacks were joining the Confederacy. But the assimilation of black slaves into the Confederate army was short-lived as the war came to an end before the government's policy could be fully implemented.

It's tragic that Missouri does not do more to recognize the bravery of the men who fought in the Missouri Confederate brigades who fought valiantly in every battle they were engaged in. To many Confederate generals, the Missouri brigades were considered the best fighting units in the South.

The courage these boys from Missouri demonstrated at Port Gibson and Champion Hill, Miss., Franklin, Tenn., and Fort Blakely, Ala., represent just a few of the incredible sacrifices they withstood on the battlefield. Missouri should celebrate their struggles instead of damning them.

For the real story about the Missouri Confederate brigades, one should read Phil Gottschalk and Philip Tucker's excellent books about these units. The amount of blood spilled by these Missouri boys on the field of battle will make you cry.

Our Confederate ancestors deserve better from this nation. They fought for what they believed in and lost. Most important, we should remember that when they surrendered, they gave up the fight completely. Defeated Confederate soldiers did not resort to guerrilla warfare or form renegade bands that refused to surrender. These men simply laid down their arms, went home and lived peacefully under the U.S. flag. When these ex-Confederates died, they died Americans.

During the postwar period, ex-Confederates overwhelmingly supported the Democratic Party. This party, led in Missouri by Rep. Dick Gephardt and Gov. Bob Holden, has chosen to turn its back on its fallen sons.

The act of pulling down Confederate flags at two obscure Confederate cemeteries for the sake of promoting Gephardt's hopeless quest for the presidency was a cowardly decision. I pray these men will rethink their decision.

The reality is, when it comes to slavery, the Confederate and United States flags drip with an equal amount of blood.


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To: SevenDaysInMay
I don't believe that these guys or peers ever proclaimed the United States as being a one-way subjugation of the several states, prior to 1789's ratification.

I don't think so either. Of course the Constitution started operating in 1790.

But consider this:

From Letters and Other Writings of James Madison,. New York: R. Worthington, 1884. 287-290.

To General Washington

New York, April 16th, 1787

Dear Sir,

--I have been honored with your letter of the 31 March, and find, with much pleasure, that your views of the reform which ought to be pursued by the Convention give a sanction to those I entertained. Temporizing applications will dishonor the councils which propose them, and may foment the internal malignity of the disease, at the same time that they produce an ostensible palliation of it. Radical attempts, although unsuccessful, will at least justify the authors of them.

Having been lately led to revolve the subject which is to undergo the discussion of the Convention, and formed some outlines of a new system, I take the liberty of submitting them without apology to your eye.

Conceiving that an individual independence of the States is utterly irreconcilable with their aggregate sovereignty, and that a consolidation of the whole into one simple republic would be as inexpedient as it is unattainable, I have sought for middle ground, which may at once support a due supremacy of the national authority, and not exclude the local authorities wherever they can be subordinately useful.

I would propose as the groundwork, that a change be made in the principle of representation. According to the present form of the Union, in which the intervention of the States is in all great cases necessary to effectuate the measures of Congress, an equality of suffrage does not destroy the inequality of importance in the several members. No one will deny that Virginia and Massachusetts have more weight and influence, both within and without Congress, than Delaware or Rhode Island. Under a system which would operate in many essential points without the intervention of the State legislatures, the case would be materially altered. A vote in the national Councils from Delaware would then have the same effect and value as one from the largest State in the Union. I am ready to believe that such a change would not be attended with much difficulty. A majority of the States, and those of greatest influence, will regard it as favorable to them. To the northern States it will be recommended by their present populousness; to the Southern, by their expected advantage in this respect. The lesser States must in every event yield to the predominant will. But the consideration which particularly urges a change in the representation is, that it will obviate the principal objections of the larger States to the necessary concessions of power.

I would propose next, that in addition to the present federal powers, the national Government should be armed with positive and complete authority in all cases which require uniformity; such as the regulation of trade, including the right of taxing both exports and imports, the fixing the terms and forms of naturalization, &c., &c.

Over and above this positive power, a negative in all cases whatsoever on the Legislative acts of the States, as heretofore exercised by the Kingly prerogative, appears to me to be absolutely necessary, and to be the least possible encroachment on the State jurisdictions. Without this defensive power, every positive power that can be given on paper will be evaded or defeated. The States will continue to invade the National jurisdiction, to violate treaties, and the law of nations, and to harass each other with rival and spiteful measures dictated by mistaken views of interest. . . .

The national supremacy ought also to be extended, as I conceive, to the Judiciary departments. If those who are to expound and apply the laws are connected by their interests and their oaths with the particular States wholly, and not with the Union, the participation of the Union in the making of the laws may be possibly rendered unavailing. It seems at least necessary that the oaths of the Judges should include a fidelity to the general as well as local Constitution, and that an appeal should lie to some National tribunal in all cases to which foreigners or inhabitants or other States may be parties. The admiralty jurisdiction seems to fall entirely within the purview of the National Government.

The National supremacy in the Executive departments is liable to some difficulty, unless the officers administering them could be made appointable by the Supreme Government. The Militia ought certainly to be placed, in some form or other, under the authority which is entrusted with the general protection and defense.

A Government composed of such extensive powers should be well organized and balanced. The legislative department might be divided into two branches; one of them chosen every. . .years, by the people at large, or by the Legislatures; the other to consist of fewer members, to hold their places for a longer term, and to go out in such rotation as always to leave in office a large majority of old members. Perhaps the negative on the laws might be most conveniently exercised by this branch. As a further check, a Council of revision, including the great ministerial officers, might be superadded.

A National Executive must also be provided. I have scarcely ventured, as yet, to form my own opinion either of the manner in which it ought to be constituted, or of the authorities with which it ought to be clothed. An article should be inserted expressly guaranteeing the tranquility of the States against internal as well as external dangers.

In like manner the right of coercion should be expressly declared. With the resources of commerce in hand, the National administration might always find means of exerting it either by sea or land. But the difficulty and awkwardness of operating by force on the collective will of a State render it particularly desirable that the necessity of it might be precluded. Perhaps the negative on the laws might create such a mutuality of dependence between the general and particular authorities as to answer this purpose. Or, perhaps, some defined objects of taxation might be submitted, along with commerce, to the general authority.

To give a new system its proper validity and energy, a ratification must be obtained from the people, and not merely from the ordination of the Legislatures. This will be the more essential, as inroads on the existing Constitutions of the States will be unavoidable."

The Framers -wanted- to establish a permanent Union; and apparently, they did.

Walt

261 posted on 06/16/2003 9:07:45 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: Badray
But unless you only place small numbers of armed 'negroes' in with the main fighting units, it is unlikely that they would stay and fight only to go back into bondage.

And as I pointed out it's doubtful that they thought the whole process throught. The handful of black combat soldiers organized into black units in the closing weeks of the war really don't tell us anything.

I don't know about you, but if was armed, I would be a free man (dead or alive), but I would not still be a slave.

I suppose that legally you would be what the authorities say you are. And after you service your master comes and reclaims you then you're a slave in the eyes of the confederate government.

262 posted on 06/16/2003 9:07:46 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: SevenDaysInMay
"This matter is about liberty vs unwritten doctrines of government, hence war powers against free peoples to be ruled by an all powerful central government."

Article IX
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

You are exactly right.

263 posted on 06/16/2003 9:08:51 AM PDT by azhenfud
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To: Non-Sequitur
I suppose that legally you would be what the authorities say you are. And after you service your master comes and reclaims you then you're a slave in the eyes of the confederate government.

And per the rebel constitution, no governmental action can ever free you.

Walt

264 posted on 06/16/2003 9:09:50 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: SevenDaysInMay
that Constitution also specified the limited powers of the federal government.

It also put severe restrictions on the states -- no coining money and so forth.

What the Constitution also says is that the laws passed in pursuance are the supreme law of the land.

The 9th and tenth amendments don't even come into play.

Walt

265 posted on 06/16/2003 9:13:13 AM PDT by WhiskeyPapa (Virtue is the uncontested prize.)
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To: WhiskeyPapa; Non-Sequitur
As I've stated many times, the Confederacy was a scam by the slave-owning aristocrats of the South to preserve their control over blacks as well as poor whites -- neo-Confederates are pathetic.
266 posted on 06/16/2003 9:14:01 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: archy
Actually;he wss found "not guilty",
Not guilty of the crimes as charged;
Nobody is "found innocent".
267 posted on 06/16/2003 9:38:14 AM PDT by norton
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To: FLAUSA
The point is that in 1964, Americans did not view the battle flag as a symbol of hate but rather as a symbol of the south. Since that time America has come to hate the south and to hate all southern symbols.

Could this man have something to do with it?

268 posted on 06/16/2003 9:38:56 AM PDT by mac_truck
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To: Grand Old Partisan
The real scam is thinking that, in 1861, ANY white man would have gone to war over a bunch of black slaves. It is my understanding that the issue of slavery was, in part to politically discourage the Brits who were on the verge of siding with the Confederacy (moreso, against the Union). There is still no need to insult out dead ancestors. I wouldn't insult yours. That is what we have sports teams for. I also agree that neo-Confederates are idiots, but as I said before, Neo-Confederates are largely northerners. Few southerners consider themselves 'neo'.
269 posted on 06/16/2003 9:44:05 AM PDT by bk1000
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To: mac_truck; FLAUSA; WhiskeyPapa
George Wallace, like every Confederate, was a Democrat.

His nememis, federal judge Frank Johnson, was a Republican and descendant of northern Alabama Unionists.

270 posted on 06/16/2003 9:44:16 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: mac_truck; FLAUSA; WhiskeyPapa
George Wallace, like every Confederate, was a Democrat.

His nememis, federal judge Frank Johnson, was a Republican and descendant of northern Alabama Unionists.

271 posted on 06/16/2003 9:44:17 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: bk1000; Non-Sequitur
"The real scam is thinking that, in 1861, ANY white man would have gone to war over a bunch of black slaves."

Yes indeed, it was ridiculous for 800,000 white rebels to go to war over "a bunch of black slaves".

As for my ancestors, you can insult them all you want. During the 1860s, a great-great-grandfather of mine was in the Austro-Hungarian Army -- and I won't mind a bit if you also insult the Austro-Hungarian Empire and Emperor Francis Joseph.
272 posted on 06/16/2003 9:50:53 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: Veracious Poet
The reason that the Union couldn't let the rebels leave is becuase once that happens, there isn't a country anymore. Once the confederates left, what was to stop Maine from leaving becuase the are no "r"'s in Massachusets, New York form leaving because water melts at 32 degrees, etc. If you are not strong enough to hold the parts together, you don't have a Union. Thank God the confederates cause was not popular enough to destroy this great country.
273 posted on 06/16/2003 10:09:36 AM PDT by hirn_man
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To: CJ Wolf
"However, that said...the confederate flag is unwanted and a disgrace simply because it represents a bunch of losers."

If, for instance, England would have won the Revolutionary War, would you now be saying that the flag the colonists flew (yes, Old Glory) would be a flag of losers, and consigned to the trashcan of history? Or would you say that that flag represented a fight for freedom and liberty, and thus deserved some respect? You see, America's greatness is not its flag, or its politicians, or its celebrities: It is its mantra of freedom. The flag symbolizes the dream. The same can be said of the Confederate flag. It symbolized the dream of Southerners to be free (as they saw it) from Northern arrigance and tyranny. I have Southern blood pounding in my veins, as well as English blood my father is a Southerner and my mother is English). I do not get a stirring in my breast upon seeing the Union Jack, but I do when I see the Stars and Bars, and I do when I see Old Glory. Because of the dream they represent: Freedom.
274 posted on 06/16/2003 10:13:16 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: Renatus
"Robert E. Lee, "Stonewall" Jackson, J.E.B. Stuart, James Longstreet, Johnston, etc. were TRAITORS because they had
all taken an oath (made a vow) to defend and protect the
Constitution of the United States. Their choices to rebel led to a bloodbath that resulted in the deaths of over a half a million Americans. Nothing honorable about that."

I see. So, according to your logic, if the federal government trashed the Constitution (as it did, on numerous occasions, both then and now), your position is that those gentlemen you mentioned should not have fought against that government. Did it ever occur to you that those gentlemen were true to their oaths? That they DID defend the Constitution, as they saw it? If a government ceases to uphold the Constitution, it is no longer the valid government of the Republic, and all true patriots have a duty to fight that government. Those gentlemen saw that as their duty, as well.
275 posted on 06/16/2003 10:21:40 AM PDT by ought-six
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To: bk1000
The real scam is thinking that, in 1861, ANY white man would have gone to war over a bunch of black slaves

Try again

276 posted on 06/16/2003 10:23:15 AM PDT by mac_truck
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To: Grand Old Partisan
I don't know where you got that figure, but I can assure you they did not fight over slavery. Preservation of the union, perhaps.

Personally I have no beef with the Austro-Hungarians, or anyone unfortunate enough to have remained behind as late as the 1860's. It's only recently we've become concerned about immigration.
277 posted on 06/16/2003 10:28:52 AM PDT by bk1000
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To: Grand Old Partisan
No regiments of blacks Confederate troops were raised, ever, though in the Richmond-Petersburg area, several slave gangs of trench diggers nad whatnot were dubbed military units. A couple of them drilled for a few days, but none were ever armed and none fought.

That is simply not true, Partisan. You may repeat it to your heart's content but that does not make it any less incorrect. As I have informed you previously, there was indeed a black regiment from Richmond that was armed and engaged in combat shortly before the better known battle of Sailor's Creek. It is a few miles away from that site and, if you are interested, I will happily provide you with directions to go there and see it yourself. The on-site US park service markers AND Virginia markers clearly recount the event citing original documents.

Propagators of the silly neo-Confederate myth about black rebel troops, even some government employees in times past, have had incentives to place erroneous markers around, which when false prove nothing.

If you have any evidence whatsoever that the markers there are false, please present it. I am inclined to believe that they are not for several reasons. First, they are new displays (probably less than 10 years old) that are part of the US govt's "civil war heritage trails" system. Second, they quote an account of the battle on them. Third, they depict a sketch from the time of the battle showing the soldiers fighting. Fourth, the reference to the blacks is specific and details rather than a passing "oh, by the way, the confederates who fought here were black." And fifth, an 1865 news account out of nearby Farmville, VA just before the battle reports seeing a regiment of newly raised black confederates taking a defensive position outside of town. This all suggests that the markers are indeed credible and, absent of any specific reason as to why the markers would not be credible, it is an absurd and unsupportable conclusion to assert what you do.

278 posted on 06/16/2003 10:32:07 AM PDT by GOPcapitalist
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To: bk1000
Your assurances mean nothing, compared to the words of the rebels themseleves. Just for starters, read the state declarations of secession.
279 posted on 06/16/2003 10:32:46 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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To: GOPcapitalist
Cite me a reference in any U.S. Army account of any Civil War battle which mentions fighting against black rebels.
280 posted on 06/16/2003 10:34:25 AM PDT by Grand Old Partisan (You can read about my history of the GOP at www.republicanbasics.com)
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