White House Backs Latest Israeli Attacks

The Washington Post (Excerpted) ^ | 06/13/2003 | Glenn Kessler

[CyberAnt]

Wasn't that great news to hear about the 70 combatants who were iced today ...?? No wonder we have been having all our men being shot at - a training camp right under our noses ...!! Baaaaaad mistake!!!

[Ready4Freddy]

""The issue is not Israel. The issue is not the Palestinian Authority," White House spokesman Ari Fleischer said. The issue is "terrorists who are killing in an attempt to stop a hopeful process from moving forward.""

Guess they have to play that game of fiction, otherwise we'd be insisting that the Israelis negotiate with terrorists, eh?

[CyberAnt]

Love your rule for the NYT - LOL

Next time you're so confident about Bush - please ping me - I was going a little wobbly there for a day or so.

[DoughtyOne]

To: DoughtyOne

Oh ye of little faith.

All week long, you yahoo's have been trashing and ridiculing PresBush and his supporters here on FR, over his efforts with the "Road Map For Peace". You read a story from a liberal BeltWay rag, the Washington Post and all of a sudden you jump on the Bush Peace Plan Express. Well, welcome onboard!

Btw, wipe that egg off your face.

37 posted on 06/12/2003 10:26 PM PDT by Reagan Man
 

Not only can you not understand the finner workings of the dynamics in the middle east, you can't even understand that your comments damning Arial Sharon all week for responding to terrorist attacks, has now been exhonerated by the man who's plan you have been defending by doing so.

Not only this, I didn't have a problem with Bush's Road Map per se, I did have a problem if he was going to persue that Road Map over Israel's dead body.  Well, guess what, he's not going to do that.  This must be a great blow to you.

Am I basing this on the Washington Post alone?  No.  I am basing it on my own observations of Bush, Powell and Kofi Annan's statements, each of which damned the terrorist attacks in no uncertain terms, and left Israel out of comments other than to say that they hoped both Israel and the Palestinians would continue to work together for peace.

What escapes you also, is that this is EXACTLY WHAT I ADVOCATED.

As for egg fella, have a nice breakfast.  I hear it goes good with crow.

[Howlin]

I was going a little wobbly there for a day or so.

LOL......we'll all be gray headed by the time his term is up; he plays things SO close to the chest.

[thoughtomator]

Next time you go wobbly... look up his speech after 9/11 and his speech the night before the battle of Iraq. Those speeches spell out in plain and clear language what the plan is, and he hasn't wavered from it in actions since. Follow actions, words are charity for diplomats.

[justshe]

If you get any pictures of those egg-faces....FRmail me a copy!

[DoughtyOne]

I'm not convinced the Palestinian Authority's hands are clean. Frankly I don't think they are. I do however recognize that the terrorist groups are not all Palestinian. Hezbalah comes down from Syria. Other groups are not just located in the Palestinian territories.

By addressing this issue the way Ari did, he gives Abu Mazen some breathing room.

Look, do you think that Abu Mazen would be safe if he immediately lashed out at the terrorist groups? I don't. He may have evil intentions. At this point what choice do we have? We try to deal with him and see what happens. That's doesn't mean we do so with eyes closed.

If we catch him screwing up, then we slap his ass down hard. I think we're through playing games. We shall see.

[right way right]

So it appears that this "road map " will cause the Palistinian people to choose sides as either a Militant (Terrorist) or peace loving Pali.

I think this has been another brilliant move by our President.
It further exposes the targets for Israel and they just go around Arafat.

there will be no Pali state they will not need one.

My two cents has been spouted.

[Ready4Freddy]

"I'm not convinced the Palestinian Authority's hands are clean."

I'm convinced that their hands are not clean.

"I do however recognize that the terrorist groups are not all Palestinian. Hezbalah comes down from Syria. Other groups are not just located in the Palestinian territories."

Hamas, Fatah, et al are pali, and have done the most damage.

"Look, do you think that Abu Mazen would be safe if he immediately lashed out at the terrorist groups?"

I think that Abu Mazen is a dead man. He'll be lucky if he's not strung up in a pali town square after he's killed.

"At this point what choice do we have? We try to deal with him and see what happens."

Been done so many times before, everyone's got a t-shirt. W's belated change of stated policy, if not heart, is encouraging, though. It's been a long time coming.

[DoughtyOne]

Tell me what your five point peace plan would be. Or would you even persue one?

I'm not being critical, but I hear a lot of folks damning Mazen when he honestly hasn't had time to consolidate his support enough to make a big difference.

I'm not going to shoot your ideas down, I'm just looking for discussion.

[kayak]

fyi

[Reagan Man]

>>>Not only can you not understand the finner workings of the dynamics in the middle east, you can't even understand that your comments damning Arial Sharon all week for responding to terrorist attacks, has now been exhonerated by the man who's plan you have been defending by doing so.

I understand whats going on in the ME perfectly. I also understand that your backtracking bigtime because you stuck both your feet in your big mouth. The comments damning PM Sharon have not been retracted by PresBush and will not be retracted. Therefore PresBush hasn't exonerated Sharon, one iota. Bush doesn't talk out both sides of his mouth, like you do. Remember that. I hope this has taught you a good lesson.

>>>Not only this, I didn't have a problem with Bush's Road Map per se, I did have a problem if he was going to persue that Road Map over Israel's dead body. Well, guess what, he's not going to do that. This must be a great blow to you.

You're a first class liar. Its no blow to me, I've supported the Bush peace plan all along and still do. I didn't get my emotions all twisted like you did, rush to judgement and jump to all sorts of conclusions. That's what you did and you're not man enough to admit it. Pathetic.

>>>What escapes you also, is that this is EXACTLY WHAT I ADVOCATED.

More lies. Try again.

>>>As for egg fella, have a nice breakfast. I hear it goes good with crow.

I wouldn't know, bucko. You're the one jumping on the Bush bandwagon. But I'll say it again, welcome onborad. Better late then never! LOL

[CyberAnt]

Very good advice! Thanks, I'll remember that!

[MJY1288]

I said weeks ago that "The Road Map" was nothing but a plan to seperate those who want peace and those who don't, and isolate those who don't

Right now Hamas is in the cross hairs and they know it.

Arafat has never been weaker

Middle Eatern leaders are openly denouncing terorism

Funding for terrorist groups are be cut off like never before

"The Road Map" is just an effort to isolate who "is with us and who is against us", why else would Ariel Sharon agree to this process. Sharon loves his homeland and would do nothing to undermine it. All this "Road Map" has done, and will do, is expose those who want peace and those who don't. Those who don't will pay a heavy price........ you watch :-)

[McGavin999]

He hasn't had a change of heart. It was all in the timing.

[MJY1288]

There is one thing that is troubling about this effort in the ME. Our State Department is chock full of entrenched liberals who are not capable of formulating a policy that denounces anyone. It might take years to purge these leftist from the bowels of the State Department, but if we can manage to stay focused on the importance of ridding the world of terrorism and we keep electing leaders like GWB, it COULD happen.

Liberalism is the enemy of FREEDOM

[Howlin]

That was bait; just ignore it.

[McGavin999]

Apparently nobody understands "strategery" or timeing.

[Ready4Freddy]

If it wasn't a change of heart, at least it's a change of stated policy. The 'do as I say, not as I do' was wearing thin in Israel, I'm sure.