Posted on 06/11/2003 12:44:39 PM PDT by Jeff Head
The current roadmap to peace is fatally flawed. it expects of the Israelis in confronting terrorism what we would not expect of or tolerate ourselves.
It is time to apply the same principles to the Palestinian terrorists that we have allpied to Al Quida, the Taliban and ti the Ba'athists.
The Palestinian people have until July 1st to turnover all terrorist organizers, participants and supporters to the IDF. This includes, but is not limited to, all mebers of Hamas, all members of the Islamic Jihad, all members of the PLO and all members of any other terrorist organizations as identifeid by the State of Israel who have taken credit for or otherwise been involved with terrorist attacks upon the nation of Israel.
THE GOLAN PLAN
A SUPERHIGHWAY TO PEACE
After July 1st, the following conditions will apply for each and every terror attack by Palestinains, Arabs, Islamics radicals upon the state of Israel:
- Each time there is a terror attack, the borders for the Palestinian territories within Israel, including Gaza, will be moved inward by one Kilometer. This will not be an occiupation by Israel, it will be an annexation.
- Each time there is a terror attack the IDF will prosecute the specific perpetrators and planners of that attack with extreme prejudice wherever they seek refuge. Anyone harboring or supporting those individuals or the organizations they come from will be treated the same as the terrorists.
- It will be the ultimate responsibility of the Palestinian people to halt the Palestinian terror attacks. The shrinking of their borders will cease when the terror attacks cease.
- Once the terror attacks have ceased for a minimum of twelve months and once the above mentioned terror organizations and their members have been turned over to the IDF, Israel will seriously negotiate the creation of a Palestinian state in the remaining lands with elected leaders who are not members or affiliated with any of the above mentioned organization.
- If the terror attacks do not cease, then when the Palestinain lands are reduced to strips five kilometers wide, the remaining Palestinians will be forcibly deported to any Arab nation that agrees to take them, or to the coast of Lebannon if none shall volunteer.
Only if they allow it to. Right now, the attacks on Hamas, IMHO, are not crimes. They are self defense against a group that has declared and prosecuted a terror war on the Israelis. It is tragic that wives and children of these animals are also injured or killed, but the terrorist and the Hamas leaders are placing themselves near those people.
As to Palestinians caught up in it...as this plan indicates in principle they must themselves eject the terrorists from amongst them and stop harboring and/or abetting them. That is how they must protect themselves IMHO.
I pray a swift, equitable and as peaceful a resolution can be found as possible. I am afraid that the only way Israel can limit the violence is to now act swiftly and very resolutely with extreme prejudice against the various terrorist organizations so as to limit the length...thereby reducing the overall long term casualities.
Just my opinion though.
I am rather well versed in Soviet history. Stalin's and Hitler's barbarity are different in degree. True- Stalin's body count was indeed higher even before WWII. But Stalin never came close to wiping out an entire people as Hitler did. Stalin's deportations of entire ethnic groups were extremely cruel but the intent wasn't to murder them so much as to disnfranchise them. It did indeed result in a lot of death among these groups. It was "ethnic cleansing" on a mass scale. But most of those who died did so out of brutal indifference of the state rather than a gas chamber or mass machine gunning. Hitler's Death Camps remain unparralled. Entire families were gassed to death for their enthnicity. They were set up to kill. Stalin's Gulag was not much better but they didn't exist to kill- that was an auxillary benefit- they existed for cheap slave labor.
I hope I never see the day when Palestinians are flushed into the deserts of Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Iraq, or Lebanon to die like flies or subsist on UN handouts.
And from recent studies done- it does appear that Stalin intended a Hitler like holocuast for all Soviet Jews but died before he could see it through.
In fact, if anything, Stalin (along with Mao IMHO) proved that the latter is capable of killing many more without tieing up as much of the tyrant's resource.
I pray the Palestinians are not driven out either...but much different than with those victims under Hitler or Stalin, they have a very clear say in the matter. If they will definitively show action regarding fighting and expelling the terrorists operating amongst them, they will be viewed as allies and would avoid any such action.
If, however, they continue to support and abet and harbor terrorists amongst them, then they will ultimately have to be viewed as part of the enemy as Israel's security continues to deteriorate and as more and more Israelis die. I believe that decision should be forced sooner rather than later.
The Palestinains can't dissent. Anyone who does is butchered. I really think if the Israelis would just not react to a couple of terror bombings and instead proclaim that they will refrain from action in the hope of peace that it might have an effect on the Palestinians themselves. Perhaps some other actions like stopping the settlements and removing several of them? What would be the propaganda effect among the Palestinians who are cowed into submission to the more radical among them? Right now there appears to be zero "middle ground" among Palestinians except annihilation of Israel.
Never going to happen, nor should it. Chamberlain tried that on a larger scale with Hitler...you have been describing where it led.
It's a terrible situation. My feeling is that the Palestinian people themselves must step up to the bar and take the risk. The butchery they face for dissent comes from their own ranks. They must take great risks to purchase liberty, and those risks must be against (IMHO) the real source of their tyranny, which resides amongst themselves. It that were to happen, I believe they would get all of the help they would need.
The hard truth may be, that like your suggestion with Israel just "taking" a few terror attacks...it is not likely to happen.
I also appreciate the cordial and reasoned discussion. The answers are not easy, but personally I believe they can be straight forward.
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1. You talk about the " Palestinian people " however, there has never been such a people...It is all an invention. They are Arabs from Jordan and Egypt.
2. Therefore, even if they get rid of the terrorists, which will not work, because of the fact these terrorists not only are in those territories, but from the entire Arab world. For example, Islamic Jihad and Hamas are based in Syria. So even if the territories were "empty" of terrorists, I'll be more would be sent into them after they become a state.
3. The new state, even if it is democratically elected, etc. will be aligned with the Arab world, therefore, defense pacts with other states will raise, etc. and the Arab world will just continue their plans of using that state to finally destroy Israel, because it would now be at its suicidal borders of 1967. Terrorism will restart.
4. But overall, I believe like you, we must give those Arabs an altimatum like we gave 48 hours to the Taliban regime.
Please see this plan by a right-wing minister in Sharon's government: Click here
To suppose the Jews should give up the lands given to them by the United Nations in 1948 decree is like saying .....
we should give California, Arizona and Texas to Mexico; (for truly absurd reasons).
According to history, the amount of land decreed for Israel was amended by giving some of it to Jordan; after the UN had already passed the decree, in 1947 (was it?). There is a definite basis for Israel having more land than they now possess. It is a constant and continuing battle to hold on to what land they have.
I like your ideas on this.
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