Teachers' poor pay just myth

Scottsdale Republic ^ | Craig J. Cantoni

[Lady Eileen]

I say throw out the troglodyte socialists and begin anew with true learning and education.

That is a noble cause...I am with you 100%.

BTW...If anyone wants to take a five minute break from this debate...may I suggest you stroll over to CyberCowboy777 's homepage ...many great quotes.

[ReagansShinyHair]

"The two teachers who live next door"

Firstly, this thread was on the hourly wages of teachers.

Secondly, you do not seem to have used an adequate sample size in your survey of teachers. Perhaps they inherited money. Perhaps they made wise investments. Perhaps they live on credit.

Thirdly, do you really think it is the teachers' fault that the beauracracy mismanaged funds? Most teachers that I know (and I know several hundred) hate the beauracracy and hate how the money is spent. Unfortunately, the majority of teachers do not have any say whatsoever in how money is spent in the district. To have a say, you usually have to become part of the beauracracy you hate. I am working my way around to having an impact from the outside, but it is a long process.

[Diva Betsy Ross]

First of all that post was not to you, but you may read it. You are the one who needs to follow the posts to find out who "he" is , or don't dare come in the middle of a conversation , with your red pen and correct what you do not know. Again, anyone can find typos. You even have some.

If you don't know what looping is, look it up.

You again attack me for fighting back. Who made the first personal attack? Do I see you correcting them with your little red pen ? NO . Why not?.. because the person who attacked me agrees with you.

In the school house you may be allowed to bully children, but that also does not work on adults in a public conservative forum. Nice try. Why don't you stick to trying to humiliate and bully children. If you don't want to address the real problems in education you can get rolled over when the "revolution " in education comes to your town. I think what people like you are really afraid of is that you will have to compete in an open market. If you are a indeed such a good teacher you will be fine. Then , however,you will need some people skills to sell your product. I would get some practice on not being so holier than thou , and not holding the conversation up to your abilities to find typos,if I were you. Oh, I know ad hominem personal attack whaaaaaaa... not fair or nice. You do know what they say about people in glass houses don't you? Or is that too sophomoric and nonsenscal for you to understand?

[ReagansShinyHair]

"I say throw out the troglodyte socialists and begin anew with true learning and education.

"That is a noble cause...I am with you 100%."



I would love to toss them out! If only I were in charge of the world... :)

[ReagansShinyHair]

"You again attack me for fighting back. Who made the first personal attack?"

So you are also loathe to take personal responsibility for your actions. Instead, you merely point to someone else and say that they did it first. I believe I would not want my children playing with yours, if they would be exposed to that type of morality. That coupled with your mean-spirited name-calling would make me worry even more.

[CyberCowboy777]

to rule the world..... *sigh*

[ReagansShinyHair]

"to rule the world..... *sigh*"

I have to confess I would have one socialist weakness as Supreme Overlord of Planet Earth.

Free ice cream for everyone on Friday afternoons.

The world would just be a better place.

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Oh, okay the old bigot statement comes out of the closet. Are you sure you are not a liberal. You don't hate anyone? I hate people who take advantage of taxpayers... call me a .. a ... a.. CONSERVATIVE. There I said it.

Are you surprised that you would run into a conservative at Freerepublic. Here is a clue sherlock.. on the home page it reads GRASS ROOTS CONSERVATISM. Are you lost? Did you take the wrong turn at" victims are us"?

Geesh... I am now a bigot. Right. You must be a great teacher.

I know many teachers want to be a protected class like minorities, life is so unfair for people like you o.

You are so invested into NEA's party line that it is laughable you are calling yourself a conservative. Reagan would have told you to sit down and get a grip.

i would asave the bigot comments to people who really exhibit bigotry. Not people who make judgements based upon years of personal experience. The liberals will welcome you into their club for worshiping the NEA.

[CyberCowboy777]

Thanks for the compliment.... a work in progress

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."
- Thomas Jefferson

[Diva Betsy Ross]

Have you ever read Ann Coulter's book Slander. You should . You are predictable. You argue exactly like a liberal. Thank God I figured it out. I thought the conservative world was on it's ear. Okay.. deep breath... You are just a liberal.

[Amelia]

First of all that post was not to you, but you may read it. You are the one who needs to follow the posts to find out who "he" is , or don't dare come in the middle of a conversation , with your red pen and correct what you do not know. Again, anyone can find typos. You even have some.

Sorry, I don't need your permission on what I can and can't respond to, or how I can respond.

If you don't know what looping is, look it up.

There's no point in doing so; it's not relevant to the discussion.

You again attack me for fighting back. Who made the first personal attack? Do I see you correcting them with your little red pen ? NO . Why not?.. because the person who attacked me agrees with you.

Actually, no, I'm pointing out your hypocrisy and lack of logical argument. I don't expect you to see that, though.

In the school house you may be allowed to bully children, but that also does not work on adults in a public conservative forum. Nice try. Why don't you stick to trying to humiliate and bully children. If you don't want to address the real problems in education you can get rolled over when the "revolution " in education comes to your town. I think what people like you are really afraid of is that you will have to compete in an open market. If you are a indeed such a good teacher you will be fine. Then , however,you will need some people skills to sell your product. I would get some practice on not being so holier than thou , and not holding the conversation up to your abilities to find typos,if I were you. Oh, I know ad hominem personal attack whaaaaaaa... not fair or nice. You do know what they say about people in glass houses don't you? Or is that too sophomoric and nonsenscal for you to understand?

You know, your "arguments" are making less and less sense, and you seem to be projecting your own tactics and inadequacies on to everyone else on the board.

Now, if you'll excuse me, I think those two darling children you quit work to stay home with need you, and I'm sure I have better things to do.

[Amelia]

I think it is pointless to try and have a discussion with you. You are so far gone into the depths of hatred, I doubt you will ever find your way back to the clear shores of logical thinking.

I think you nailed it.

[ReagansShinyHair]

"i would asave the bigot comments to people who really exhibit bigotry."

I do not hate GROUPS OF PEOPLE AS A WHOLE. I really don't hate anyone. I know that must be difficult for someone as hate-filled as you to understand.

Definition of a bigot: "One who is strongly partial to one's own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ."

That about sums you up. You ARE exhibiting bigotry, you are just too willfully ignorant to know it.

I am not a liberal in any way, shape, or form. I'm not even moderate. I don't belong to any teacher organizations, and I vote a straight republican ticket. You, however, have shown yourself here to be incredibly biased, bigoted, and hate-filled.

[ReagansShinyHair]

"You argue exactly like a liberal. Thank God I figured it out. I thought the conservative world was on it's ear. Okay.. deep breath... You are just a liberal."

How, and in what way, do I argue like a liberal? Explain this to me with detailed, supported facts.

You should have found your own arguing style in Slander. You are the one who calls names and bases opinions solely on personal experience, and you bring ZERO factual support.

[Howlin]

Looks like somebody's trying to justify their very existence by trashing others. :-)

[Diva Betsy Ross]

oh, you are right, my experience and research holds no merrit because it was not told to me by some teacher. It was not covered on the quiz at the local community college, therefore It is not true. My knowledge is nothing because I was not given the info from the NEA and other like minded people.

Nothing is real unless I read it in a text book given out by the governement. The internet is a usless tool and most people lie under all circumstances, upon all topics. Unless, of course they are public school teachers. I will get all of my information from now on from the NEA and the public school teachers unions, becase they know everything and they have no agenda.

What was I thinking.. doing all of that thinking, reading and digging for myself.

[Lady Eileen]

"I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them."

- Thomas Jefferson

Is it to late?

[Diva Betsy Ross]

oh, you are right, my experience and research holds no merrit because it was not told to me by some teacher. It was not covered on the quiz at the local community college, therefore It is not true. My knowledge is nothing because I was not given the info from the NEA and other like minded people.

Nothing is real unless I read it in a text book given out by the governement. The internet is a usless tool and most people lie under all circumstances, upon all topics. Unless, of course they are public school teachers. I will get all of my information from now on from the NEA and the public school teachers unions, becase they know everything and they have no agenda.

What was I thinking.. doing all of that thinking, reading and digging for myself.

[Clara Lou]

oh, you are right, my experience and research holds no merrit because it was not told to me by some teacher. It was not covered on the quiz at the local community college, therefore It is not true. My knowledge is nothing because ...blah, blah, blah, obfuscate, rant, rave, yada, yada, yada, etc., etc., etc. Do you have any idea of the tremendous spectacle you are making of yourself? Hmmm?