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Psychiatric Association Debates Lifting Pedophilia Taboo
CNSNews.com ^ | 6/11/03 | Lawrence Morahan

Posted on 06/11/2003 2:18:54 AM PDT by kattracks

(CNSNews.com) - In a step critics charge could result in decriminalizing sexual contact between adults and children, the American Psychiatric Association (APA) recently sponsored a symposium in which participants discussed the removal of pedophilia from an upcoming edition of the psychiatric manual of mental disorders.

Psychiatrists attending an annual APA convention May 19 in San Francisco proposed removing several long-recognized categories of mental illness - including pedophilia, exhibitionism, fetishism, transvestism, voyeurism and sadomasochism - from the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM).

Most of the mental illnesses being considered for removal are known as "paraphilias."

Psychiatrist Charles Moser of San Francisco's Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality and co-author Peggy Kleinplatz of the University of Ottawa presented conferees with a paper entitled "DSM-IV-TR and the Paraphilias: An Argument for Removal."

People whose sexual interests are atypical, culturally forbidden or religiously proscribed should not necessarily be labeled mentally ill, they argued.

Different societies stigmatize different sexual behaviors, and since the existing research could not distinguish people with paraphilias from so-called "normophilics," there is no reason to diagnose paraphilics as either a distinct group or psychologically unhealthy, Moser and Kleinplatz stated.

Participants also debated gender-identity disorder, a condition in which a person feels discomfort with his or her biological sex. Homosexual activists have long argued that gender identity disorder should not be assumed to be abnormal.

"The situation of the paraphilias at present parallels that of homosexuality in the early 1970s. Without the support or political astuteness of those who fought for the removal of homosexuality, the paraphilias continue to be listed in the DSM," Moser and Kleinplatz wrote.

A. Dean Byrd, vice president of the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH) and a clinical professor of medicine at the University of Utah, condemned the debate. Taking the paraphilias out of the DSM without research would have negative consequences, he said.

"What this does, in essence, is it has a chilling effect on research," Byrd said. "That is, once you declassify it, there's no reason to continue studying it. What we know is that the paraphilias really impair interpersonal sexual behavior...and to suggest that it could be 'normalized' simply takes away from the science, but more importantly, has a chilling effect on research."

"Normalizing" pedophilia would have enormous implications, especially since civil laws closely follow the scientific community on social-moral matters, said Linda Ames Nicolosi, NARTH publications director.

"If pedophilia is deemed normal by psychiatrists, then how can it remain illegal?" Nicolosi asked. "It will be a tough fight to prove in the courts that it should still be against the law."

In previous articles, psychiatrists have argued that there is little or no proof that sex with adults is necessarily harmful to minors. Indeed, they have argued that many sexually molested children later look back on their experience as positive, Nicolosi said.

"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

But whether pedophilia should be judged "normal and healthy" is as much a moral question as a scientific one, according to Nicolosi.

"The courts are so afraid of 'legislating someone's privately held religious beliefs' that if pedophilia is normalized, we will be hard put to defend the retention of laws against child molestation," Nicolosi noted.

In a fact sheet on pedophilia, the APA calls the behavior "criminal and immoral."

"An adult who engages in sexual activity with a child is performing a criminal and immoral act that never can be considered normal or socially acceptable behavior," the APA said.

However, the APA failed to address whether it considers a person with a pedophile orientation to have a mental disorder.

"That is the question that is being actively debated at this time within the APA, and that is the question they have not answered when they respond that such relationships are 'immoral and illegal,'" Nicolosi said.

Dr. Darrel A. Regier, director of research for the APA, said there were "no plans and there is no process set up that would lead to the removal of the paraphilias from their consideration as legitimate mental disorders."

Some years ago, the APA considered the question of whether a person who had such attractions but did not act on them should still be labeled with a disorder.

"We clarified in the DSM-IV-TR...that if a person acted on those urges, we considered it a disorder," Regier said.

Dr. Robert Spitzer, author of a study on change of sexual orientation that he presented at the 2001 APA convention, took part in the symposium in San Francisco in May.

Spitzer said the debate on removing gender identity disorder from the DSM was generated by people in the homosexual activist community "who are troubled by gender identity disorder in particular."

Spitzer added: "I happen to think that's a big mistake."

What Spitzer considered the most outrageous proposal, to get rid of the paraphilias, "doesn't have the same support that the gender-identity rethinking does." And he said he considers it unlikely that changes would be made regarding the paraphilias.

"Getting rid of the paraphilias, which would mean getting rid of pedophilia, that would not happen in a million years. I think there might be some compromise about gender-identity disorder," he said.

Dr. Frederick Berlin, founder of the Sexual Disorders Clinic at the Johns Hopkins Hospital, said people who are sexually attracted to children should learn not to feel ashamed of their condition.

"I have no problem accepting the fact that someone, through no fault of his own, is attracted to children. But certainly, such an individual has a responsibility...not to act on it," Berlin said.

"Many of these people need help in not acting on these very intense desires in the same way that a drug addict or alcoholic may need help. Again, we don't for the most part blame someone these days for their alcoholism; we don't see it simply as a moral weakness," he added.

"We do believe that these people have a disease or a disorder, but we also recognize that in having it that it impairs their function, that it causes them suffering that they need to turn for help," Berlin said.

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To: Centurion2000
That's the way they think. To them, nothing is more odious than a parent who believes that their kids are their kids, to be brought up how they see fit - what all this really means, is that *they* want to be able to deconstruct the familial ties, values, mores and memes that transmit culture and civilization - and not incidentally, happy, long productive lives - and tear them down, via "sins" that we all know are counterproductive. This is why homeschooling is so popular, for a start.
101 posted on 06/11/2003 9:28:10 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: kattracks
Psychiatrist Charles Moser of San Francisco's Institute for the Advanced Study of Human Sexuality

San Francisco's ....Why am I not surprized?

Wasn't the APA the group that actually stated, in their Journal, that man/boy sex was good for the child? (Within the last 24 months)

102 posted on 06/11/2003 9:43:11 AM PDT by zip
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To: kattracks
The American Psychiatric Association has been controlled by occultists for decades...longer.

This would be the ultimate evil. I can't believe Americans would stand for this.

But it explains Woody Allen.

103 posted on 06/11/2003 9:58:10 AM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: kattracks
THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!! HOW DARE THEY LEAVE OUT NECROPHILIA!!! IF WE CAN RAPE LIVE CHILDREN THEN WHY NOT DEAD ADULTS??? THIS IS DISCRIMINATION!

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104 posted on 06/11/2003 9:59:14 AM PDT by montag813
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To: Remedy; RnMomof7
We all knew this was coming. They're testing the waters and preparing to desensitize the public with the usual arguments. It appears their activist element is ready to lead the charge.

This is chilling: In previous articles, psychiatrists have argued that there is little or no proof that sex with adults is necessarily harmful to minors. Indeed, they have argued that many sexually molested children later look back on their experience as positive, Nicolosi said.

Apparently, molestation is good for children.

"And other psychiatrists have written, again in scientific journals, that if children can be forced to go to church, why should 'consent' be the defining moral issue when it comes to sex?" she said.

So, if you can force them to go to church, the psychiatrists think that's the same as molesting them sexually? The two APA's are a very sick bunch, both now under the influence of their own pedophile element. This is how they got sodomy removed from the DSM decades back.

You really start to wonder why anyone even bothers to have children in this society. It's not as though anyone respects the wishes or ideas of parents. Across the board, society is aligned against parents making any meaningful decision.
105 posted on 06/11/2003 10:03:43 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Smile-n-Win
People whose sexual interests are atypical, culturally forbidden or religiously proscribed should not necessarily be labeled mentally ill, they argued.

I agree with this. They are not mentally ill. They are sane criminal scum.

106 posted on 06/11/2003 10:17:57 AM PDT by Freakazoid (I'll take mine scrambled)
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To: kuma
In other words if you don't like the fact that you are mentally ill you can protest the APA (homosexuality 1973) and have it taken off.

And, indeed, I was just remembering when I was in elementary school in the early '70s, and heard a news story about removing homosexuality from "the book of mental disorders."

It sounded eerily similar to this one.

Wait and see -- the Roman Polanski will become the poster boy for this movement, to give us the idea that it's "normal" man-girl stuff, as opposed to a NAMBLA initiative.

107 posted on 06/11/2003 10:22:01 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: mict42
Psychiatry is not a science, it's an agenda

Well said. Can you imagine astronomers gathering to "debate" whether they would recognize gravity as a force of nature? If psychology does not use the scientific method, then uses political lobbying and debate in its place, how can it hope to be considered a science?

The most laughable thing of all is to see two psychologists sitting in a courtroom, arguing precisely opposing conclusions based on the same set of facts. Every time one of them speaks, there should be a laugh track.

108 posted on 06/11/2003 10:23:07 AM PDT by SoulStorms (That which grows in shadow, and withers in the light of day, does not belong on the vine.)
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To: Qwerty
Removing it as a mental illness is NOT condoning it, any more than saying murderers are not necessarily mentally ill. If you have a victim, it's still a crime.

You mean like when your pathology was wrongly removed from the DSM and sodomy laws were dropped from more than half the states becuase of that? You wouldn't know a slippery slope if it bit you in the ass.

109 posted on 06/11/2003 10:54:41 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Qwerty
You've got a bit of a flair for the dramatic. Have a donut or something while you wait.

I'm pretty sure he just ignores sniping reprobates but who knows.

110 posted on 06/11/2003 10:56:42 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"You mean like when your pathology was wrongly removed from the DSM and sodomy laws were dropped from more than half the states becuase of that?"

Find a "victim" of adult consensual sodomy.

"You wouldn't know a slippery slope if it bit you in the ass."

You wouldn't know a logical fallacy if it (fill in with whatever childish taunt you like).

111 posted on 06/11/2003 10:57:09 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"I'm pretty sure he just ignores sniping reprobates but who knows."

Why, isn't he talking to you?

112 posted on 06/11/2003 10:58:44 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Qwerty
Find a "victim" of adult consensual sodomy.

The Sodomites and society...too easy.

You wouldn't know a logical fallacy if it (fill in with whatever childish taunt you like).

Your perversion prevents any rational logic from your mentally ill mind, hope you seek help some day.

113 posted on 06/11/2003 11:06:45 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Qwerty
Why, isn't he talking to you?

Because I'm not the reprobate? Just guessing. Your illness again blinds even simple discourse.

114 posted on 06/11/2003 11:09:13 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
Find a "victim" of adult consensual sodomy. "The Sodomites and society...too easy."

Back to school, Clint. List "society's" rights. After you leave a blank there, list the rights of the sodomites that are being trampled when they engage in consensual sodomy.

"Your perversion prevents any rational logic from your mentally ill mind, hope you seek help some day."

Sadly, Clint... this ad hominem is the best you can do.

115 posted on 06/11/2003 11:11:04 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"Your illness again blinds even simple discourse."

But you post to me again and again. The cognitive dissonance is building to a fever pitch in your head, isn't it?

116 posted on 06/11/2003 11:12:54 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Qwerty
Back to school, Clint. List "society's" rights.

Everything left after the 10th amendment.

After you leave a blank there, list the rights of the sodomites that are being trampled when they engage in consensual sodomy.

Sodomy is not a right in many states.

Sadly, Clint... this ad hominem is the best you can do.

Truth is not ad hominem.

117 posted on 06/11/2003 11:15:18 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Qwerty
But you post to me again and again.

Just trying to help you find reparation.

The cognitive dissonance is building to a fever pitch in your head, isn't it?

If that's what your pathology tells you, I understand.

118 posted on 06/11/2003 11:18:02 AM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"Everything left after the 10th amendment."

Wow. You think society has rights.

Actually, only individuals have rights.

"Sodomy is not a right in many states."

Yeah. And ownership of guns isn't a "right" in some states. You agree with that too?

"Truth is not ad hominem."

Your concept of truth bears little to no resemblance to reality. Aside from that, truth CAN be ad hominem. You didn't know?

119 posted on 06/11/2003 11:25:36 AM PDT by Qwerty
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To: Clint N. Suhks
"Just trying to help you find reparation."

Likewise.

120 posted on 06/11/2003 11:26:38 AM PDT by Qwerty
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