I've been witness to enough first hand killing in my life and I've already seen the scenes from todays homicide bombing.
The fact remains, if Sharon didn't want to be a part of PresBushes "Road Map For Peace", he should have stayed home and not gotten Israel involved in the first
place.
178 posted on 06/11/2003 2:36 PM PDT by Reagan Man
Why don't you just give up on this topic? It obviously doesn't bother you a bit that Jews or Israelis are being blown to bits. The rest of us are on to you. Give it a rest.
You really don't have any understanding of this issue at all. With each post it becomes more and more appearant that you are dumb as a brick on this issue. I have suggested you'd do less damage to yourself if you'd shut up, but this escapes you completely. You think it's just me trying to make points. No, it's me trying to do you a favor.
Sharon met with Abass, Abu Mazen and President Bush. In case you didn't know it, Abu Mazen is now the Prime Minister of the Palestinian people. He is NOT the Prime Minister of the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh... parties in this conflict, the terrorist organizations. Those terrorist parties third through infinity, are the parties that did not show up at the peace conference between King Hussein (of Jordan), President Bush, Ariel Sharon and Abu Mazen, and have sworn to kill every Israeli as long as one exists on Israeli soil.
Yes Sharon did make an agreement to try to develop peaceful relations with the Palestinians and Abu Mazen. Sharon started dismanteling illegal Israeli settlements, relaxed border crossing restrictions and sent millions of dollars to the Palestinian Authority to help them re-establish their police force. What one single thing can you point out that Abu Mazen did, that is tangible at this point? Please, name just one.
Sharon signed an agreement, Abu Mazen signed it, and Sharon followed through with tangible actions. As of yet Abu Mazen has done nothing. Has the terrorism stoped? Has it been reduced? Have there been any promises that it will stop? The answer is no to everything I asked.
Sharon has demonstrated that he wants the peace process to be successful. He has taken tangible actions to show this. NO OTHER ENTITY has, yet you sit there at your keyboard typing out more mindless drivel that Sharon shouldn't have joined the peace process if he didn't mean business. Nowhere do you mention that Abu Mazen shouldn't have joined the process, although he has taken no tangible moves to see it successful. Why is that? Do you think that readers don't see what your focus is?
Sharon attacked members of Hezbalah and other terrorist organizations. Yes some Palestinians were killed also. That's really too bad, but the reality is, Sharon tried to target members of the the third, fourth, to infinity terrorist groups that have sworn to carry out terrorism. He did not target Palestinians. This is totally lost on you.
Sharon is still trying to persue the peace process. He HAS NOT targeted Palestinians, their public agencies or their public officials.
Once more for the learning impaired, Sharon has attacked people who are members of terrorist organizations that have not signed on to the peace process. Do you understand that on any level?
Sadly lacking in any of your posts is a condemnation of the terrorists. I beleive you did make one or two references to not liking that the terrorist attacks took place. You have attacked Ariel Sharon. You have attacked those who adovate Israel defend themselves. You have attacked those who think the terrorists should be taken out.
You have a rather interesting focus on who should be attacked here. The implications of this are quite somber to myself and the other forum participants.
Now go find something to read, watch an old movie or just contemplate life and quit embarassing yourself on this topic.
What a liar, a phony and a fool you are. LOL That statement is not only ridiculous its a flat out lie and you have no proof whatsoever to back it up. There's not one iota of truth in it. Returning to this thread and reverting to more and more personal attacks against me, is not going to stop me from speaking my mind and engaging in my right to freedom of speech. I wouldn't think of demanding you stop speaking out, even though you continually sound like a big whiner. You should have left well enough alone. You're obviously a very immature rascal, starved for attention.
>>>What one single thing can you point out that Abu Mazen did, that is tangible at this point? Please, name just one.
Abu Mazen/Mahmoud Abbas hasn't done a thing. Now show me where I made a statement that says anything to the contrary? You can't. Another foolish statement by you!
>>>The answer is no to everything I asked.
Then why ask? LOL You have this propencity for answering your own questions. Why ask me in the first place?
>>>NO OTHER ENTITY has, yet you sit there at your keyboard typing out more mindless drivel that Sharon shouldn't have joined the peace process if he didn't mean business.
Face it, Sharon has done very little, but I agree he has done more then Abu Mazen. However, the most important part of the agreement that Sharon and Abu Mazen signed last week, was a pledge to stop all hostilities. You don't seem to comprehend that simple fact. Its easier for Sharon to halt hostiltiies, then it is for Abu Mazen right now. It might be an impossibility for Abu Mazen or anyone else to accomplish that feat on the Pali side. We shall see. The fact is, Israel is a valued ally of the US and when Sharon gave his word to PresBush, he should have kept it or he shouldn't have shown up at the meeting last week to join the peace process. I have nothing against Isarel defending herself and have said so numerous occasions. But when you give your word to President Bush, you should abide by it. Period.
>>>Yes some Palestinians were killed also. That's really too bad, but the reality is, Sharon tried to target members of the the third, fourth, to infinity terrorist groups that have sworn to carry out terrorism. He did not target Palestinians. This is totally lost on you.
There you go again, distorting the truth and fabricating your own reality. LOL The fact that Sharon targeted Hamas leaders with gunships and missiles in the middle of a crowded residential area, killing innocent people, doesn't show serious intentions of halting Israeli hostilities, as was the agreement he signed onto last week. An end to all hostilities means, an end to all hostilities. Period. The same goes for the Abu Mazen and the Palestinian side. The homicide bombing yesterday was one more outrage in a long line of outrageous killings that have been committed by terrorist groups like Hamas. In my opinion, at this point one thing is abundantly clear. The lines of distinction between who is the instigator and who is the retaliator, have become seriously blurred and that will not lead to an end to all hostilities. Get it?!
>>>Once more for the learning impaired, Sharon has attacked people who are members of terrorist organizations that have not signed on to the peace process. Do you understand that on any level?
The ties between terrorist groups and the Palestinian people are extremely strong. I'm surprised you actually deny this simple fact. At this point, any attack against Hamas, especially attacks that kill innocent people, is a direct attack against the Palestinian people. Its baffling to hear you conclude anything else. I see no good reason why anyone would want to distort the truth here.
>>>Sadly lacking in any of your posts is a condemnation of the terrorists. I beleive you did make one or two references to not liking that the terrorist attacks took place. You have attacked Ariel Sharon. You have attacked those who adovate Israel defend themselves. You have attacked those who think the terrorists should be taken out.
You know, I'm not PresBush. Stop trying to live out your fantasy lives vicariously through me. I realize you folks out there need a bogeyman to blame for everything and someone to take your frustrations out on, but find someone else. This isn't just boring, its a waste of my time. In that regard, understand why I won't be responding to your next round of lies, distortions and fabrications.
I understand this is a very emotional issue and you're one of the more emotional FReepers on the subject that I've encountered so far. When you let your emotions run wild, any hope for rational, logical and sensiable debate disappears immediately. In the last few days, I've told you and several others, to keep your emotions in check. I truly believe, the reason you people find it impossible for someone to disagree with you on this topic, is because you appraoch it from an emotional state of mind. I'm able to place my emotions aside and not get carried away. I control my emotions. You don't!
I suggest you stop running at the mouth with statements that bear no resemblence to the truth and stop fabricating your own reality. The only one whose embarassing themselves at this point, is you and other folks who let their emotions and personal feelings run wild.
This is a conservative debate forum, not a liberal whine feast.