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Cheap at any price, even £1.5 billion, to get us a little closer to understanding the universe.
1 posted on 06/09/2003 6:11:14 AM PDT by andy224
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Cheap at any price, even £1.5 billion, to get us a little closer to understanding the universe.

Goedel's Incompleteness Theorem proves that we will never be able to completely understand the universe.

So what's the point? </sarcasm>

2 posted on 06/09/2003 6:19:53 AM PDT by Reelect President Dubya (Drug prohibition laws help support terrorism.)
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To: andy224
Interesting.

I'll be back later to read the comments of the offended.

3 posted on 06/09/2003 6:29:18 AM PDT by TomB
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To: andy224
The ATLAS detector

"In other news, once the detector is up and running, researchers are planning to send Hillary Clinton's new book through and see if even the remotest possibility of truth is found in it."

5 posted on 06/09/2003 6:40:28 AM PDT by TomB
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To: VadeRetro; jennyp; Junior; longshadow; *crevo_list; RadioAstronomer; Scully; Piltdown_Woman; ...
Particle physics. PING. [This ping list is for the evolution side of evolution threads, and sometimes for other science topics. FReepmail me to be added or dropped.]
6 posted on 06/09/2003 6:47:04 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Felix, qui potuit rerum cognoscere causas.)
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To: andy224
Meanwhile, near Waxahatchie, TX, developers try to find a use for a big underground hole that woulda been the SSC (Superconducting Supercollider).
7 posted on 06/09/2003 6:55:00 AM PDT by 19th LA Inf
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To: andy224
SPOTREP
9 posted on 06/09/2003 7:11:50 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: Gary Boldwater; aruanan
This is wonderful! Just 100 years ago man was riding animals for tranportation. Just 40 years ago man flew into space. Just 30 years ago man walked on the moon. Today, scientists completely understand the beginnings of the universe!!
The greatest leap in all of science was in giving up its old ways. The old way required scientists to set out to disprove a theory (hypothesis), after relentless testing to prove it. One contradictory experiment could undo a whole theory (hypothesis). Today, that is no longer a concern. A single test proves a theory (not a hypothesis) and new dimensions and particles are created to explain any contradictions!
In the last 25 years, no man has set foot on the moon, orbital space travel is more dangerous than ever and third world countries may eclipse America's space achievements. We are not spending enough money on government science!

12 posted on 06/09/2003 7:37:20 AM PDT by Gary Boldwater (Government science is a contradiction in terms, politics and science don't mix.)
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To: Alamo-Girl; Phaedrus; betty boop; general_re; AndrewC; gore3000; Dataman; balrog666
an 'oops, I just saw this' ping
havent' read it yet, but the title is humorous enough
16 posted on 06/09/2003 8:13:40 AM PDT by unspun ("Do everything in love.")
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In a concrete cavern 130ft deep and bigger than the nave of Canterbury Cathedral, they will mimic the high-energy conditions that existed fractions of a second after the Big Bang to study a beam of energy a quarter of the thickness of a human hair.

This is cool and everything, even though I can't understand the application or the technology involved. I'm all for science. BUT - how do they know this thing will mimic the high-energy conditions that existed fractions of a second after the b-b? I don't know that they can make that comparison because there are no records of what the conditions of the b-b were.
20 posted on 06/09/2003 8:22:58 AM PDT by AD from SpringBay
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the Higgs boson, a mysterious fundamental particle held to give matter its mass,

A common misconception. The Higgs mechanism gives the fundamental particles (such as quarks and electrons) their masses, but most of the mass we see comprises protons and neutrons, whose mass arises primarily from quantum chromodynamics. (Dark matter, which dominates over the "baryonic" matter I mentioned, may or may not get its mass from the Higgs mechanism.)

22 posted on 06/09/2003 8:38:29 AM PDT by Physicist
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"God" particle, indeed. What nonsense.
25 posted on 06/09/2003 8:51:34 AM PDT by Phaedrus
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If it is being done in Europe, by Eurocentric scientist, it will ultimately fall short. In fact, they may blow up Franco-Swiss land for good.
38 posted on 06/09/2003 9:43:53 AM PDT by Porterville (Screw the grammar, full posting ahead.)
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To: andy224
The universe IS the understanding.
43 posted on 06/09/2003 9:48:25 AM PDT by P.O.E.
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To: andy224; Aric2000; Right Wing Professor
"...the £1.5 billion Large Hadron Collider... will determine once and for all whether the Higgs boson, a mysterious fundamental particle held to give matter its mass, really exists... If not, the maxims of modern physics will be thrown into disarray."

"The boson was nicknamed the “God particle” by the Nobel laureate Leon Lederman for its centrality to the cosmos. Although it will be so small that its presence can only be calculated, not seen...

Ahhh. I see.

So our "maxims of modern physics" (much like our 'understanding' of Evolution) rely upon our having faith in something which not only have we never proven the existence of, but even once found cannot be seen. Hmmm....

Yeah, that Science stuff sure is an "end all, be all" for people who choose not to rely on Faith alone, huh? Way too funny.

;-/

57 posted on 06/09/2003 10:43:52 AM PDT by Gargantua (Embrace clarity.)
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Someone is giving these men way too much money to play with toys.
83 posted on 06/09/2003 11:35:09 AM PDT by honeygrl
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Scientists are just completely obsessed with God, aren't they?
98 posted on 06/09/2003 11:51:35 AM PDT by metacognative
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The Coming of the Storm.

This is what happened. On the night that the worst heat wave in northern New England history finally broke-the night of July 19-the entire western Maine region was lashed with the most vicious thunderstorms I have ever seen.

We lived on Long Lake, and we saw the first of the storms beating its way across the water toward us just before dark. For an hour before, the air had been utterly still. The American flag that my father put up on our boathouse in 1936 lay limp against its pole. Not even its hem fluttered. The heat was like a solid thing, and it seemed as deep as sullen quarry-water.

...

The air began to move, jerkily at first, lifting the flag and then dropping it again. it began to freshen and grew steady, first cooling the perspiration on our bodies and then seeming to freeze it.

That was when I saw the silver veil rolling across the lake. It blotted out Harrison in seconds and then came straight at us. The powerboats had vacated the scene.

...

I went downstairs again. All three of us slept together in the guest bed, Billy between Steff and me. I had a dream that I saw God walking across Harrison on the far side of the lake, a God so gigantic that above his waist He was lost in a clear blue sky. In the dream I could hear the rending crack and splinter of breaking trees as God stamped the woods into the shape of His footsteps. He was circling the lake, coming toward the Bridgton side, toward us, and all the houses and cottages and summer places were bursting into purple-white flame like lightning, and soon the smoke covered everything. The smoke covered everything like a Mist.

...

That was the direction that funny fogbank had come from. And it was the direction Shaymore (pronounced Shammore by the locals) lay in. Shaymore was where the Arrowhead Project was.

That was old Bill Giosti's theory about the so-called Black Spring: the Arrowhead Project. In the western part of Shaymore, not far from where the town borders on Stoneham, there was a small government preserve surrounded with wire. There were sentries and closed circuit television cameras and God knew what else. Or so I had heard; I'd never actually seen it, although the Old Shaymore Road runs along the eastern side of the government land for a mile or so.

No one knew for sure where the name Arrowhead Project came from and no one could tell you for one hundred percent sure that that really was the name of the project-if there was a project. Bill Giosti said there was, but when you asked him how and where he came by his information, he got vague. His niece, he said, worked for the Continental Phone Company, and she had heard things. It got like that. "Atomic things," Bill said that day, leaning in the Scout's window and blowing a healthy draught of Pabst into my face. "That's what they're fooling around with up there. Shooting atoms into the air and all that."

...

A tentacle came over the far lip of the concrete loading platform and grabbed Norm around the calf. My mouth dropped wide open. Ollie made a very short glottal sound of surprise - uk! The tentacle tapered from a thickness of a foot-the size of a grass snake-at the point where it had wrapped itself around Norm's lower leg to a thickness of maybe four or five feet where it disappeared into the mist. It was slate gray on top, shading to a fleshy pink underneath. And there were rows of suckers on the underside. They were moving and writhing like hundreds of small, puckering mouths.

Excerpts from The Mist, a Stephen King story.

145 posted on 06/09/2003 4:52:11 PM PDT by tictoc (On FreeRepublic, discussion is a contact sport.)
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To: andy224; shaggy eel
I just threw away one of those particle thingies last week.

Didn't know it was worth anything.

I'll ask Shaggy if he has any left from his last party.
150 posted on 06/09/2003 5:56:25 PM PDT by PoorMuttly (A Pox on your Monkey)
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Cheap at any price, even £1.5 billion, to get us a little closer to understanding the universe.

2 Timothy 3:7

Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

156 posted on 06/09/2003 6:13:24 PM PDT by Outer Limits
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This is a topic greatly discussed in this book I had to read for AP Physics back in high school. Pretty interesting if you're into particle physics...which I wasn't...

182 posted on 06/09/2003 7:09:22 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (There is no spoon.)
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