1 posted on
06/07/2003 7:07:40 AM PDT by
harpu
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To: harpu
I was wondering how long it would take before someone asked this question.. Should be amusing to see whether the Democrats seriously decide to take this detour to nowhere..
2 posted on
06/07/2003 7:10:20 AM PDT by
AntiGuv
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To: harpu
JOHN DEAN???????????
BUBBA has more credibility than this piece of garbage.
To: harpu
Like the less apocolyptic Knight-Rider article that was the front page lead in the Kansas City Star this morning, Dean is basing his indictment upon a very limited couple of "sources" who are now speaking out saying that the literal knowledge of this or that weapons system was not in thier reports at the time.
What Dean here, or Knight Rider fail to highlight is that the Administration gets a whole slew of reports from various sources and agencies that have to be balanced and considered with a thoughtful civilian responsiblity as the sworn defender of the nation.
Saddam in violation of his cease-fire agreements and UN resolutions allowed to remain active with a mixed bag of reports could have only made Bush culpable in later damage that Saddam inflicted -- end of story.
4 posted on
06/07/2003 7:16:18 AM PDT by
KC Burke
To: harpu
"More recently, Wolfowitz added what most have believed all along, that the reason we went after Iraq is that "[t]he country swims on a sea of oil."
Wow! Dean needs to put down his crack pipe and figure out that the Guardian has already issued a full RETRACTION of their Wolfowitz misquote. It must hurt to be caught using that bogus quote. Then again, old man Dean seems to have weathered his misdeeds during Watergate, somehow.
Bush's quoted statements are acurate, in any event. Iraq *did* produce large, well-documented quantities of nerve, chemical, and biological agents (though most of that documentation comes from Iraq's surrender declarations back in 1991). It is from those declarations that we have UN inspectors in the first place.
What Dean wants to do is to PRETEND that Bush was talking about NEW production as factually as he was talking about the old, well-documented production in Iraq of such weapons. That's purely disingenuous on his part.
Instead of casting stones, Dean needs to be explaining how his Deep Throat buddy Fred Fielding has gotten away with violating Presidential Attorney-Client privilege for so long.
Dean has plenty of explaining to do, and this poor article is only the start of it.
Hey Dean, how about those mobile labs that we found in Iraq?! You know, the ones that you RIDICULED when Powell was only able to show *drawings* of them during his presentation to the UN...
5 posted on
06/07/2003 7:22:20 AM PDT by
Southack
(Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: harpu
Is "lying" impeachable now? This must be a new phrase in government. In that case 99% of all sinators and congrossmen/women will have to be impeached!
To: harpu
If lying was an impeachable offense then we could toss every member of congress out.
To: harpu
I don't think Bush intentionally lied, I don't see that in his character. I believe he was provided with "cooked" intel by people and countries he trusted.
I think we will find WMDs, but I don't think they will be anywhere near the level/abundance used to rally the nation for the war.
12 posted on
06/07/2003 7:43:41 AM PDT by
mr.pink
To: harpu
To put it bluntly, if Bush has taken Congress and the nation into war based on bogus information, he is cooked. G-d help this nation: people with such deep thinking abilities serve as counsels to the president.
P.S. Isn't it interesting that the footnote failed to mention which president this mand served? Did we have that many that it is hard to track? Or is it because they try to disguise the partisanship of the author, something that is very clear from the article.
15 posted on
06/07/2003 8:02:23 AM PDT by
TopQuark
To: harpu
The presence of WMD's, at this time, is totally irrelevant except to Leftist dolts looking to find traction on some issue. The facts are, according to the Clinton White House and the UN, that Saddam, unquestionably, had chemical weapons. The Kurdish dead are also evidence that he had them and was willing to use them.
We went to war with Iraq for many reasons, but the one in play has been the Left's obcession with WMD's because they were the ones looking for higher levels of justification from Bush that they had from anyone else. All of the troubled voices in government and the media harping on this are liars since they never had any sort of definitive standards before this time.
The war in Iraq was a battle. The real war is ongoing and is against terrorism. We've known this much since the Bush repsonse to terrorism in the week following 911. I believe, and hope, that America will act unilaterally, if need be, to continue the destruction and punishment of regimes across the globe that harbor, train, finance and in any way aid the mayhem of international terror. Saddam was involved in all of these activities. The facts are there.
So, Mr. Dean, if you are having conscience problems and are looking for a better government you can go and "Kiss it." At least, that's what 'people of conscience' did throught the 90's when these problems developed.
What a wanker.
To: harpu
"Meanwhile in other news, yet another mass grave has been found south of Baghdad......."
17 posted on
06/07/2003 8:10:35 AM PDT by
cardinal4
(The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
To: harpu
I think the Constitution says that an impeachable offense is whatever enough members of the House determine it to be and it does not have involve a violation of the law.
20 posted on
06/07/2003 8:18:14 AM PDT by
Consort
To: harpu
Hey liberal, in those Bush quotes, all I have to say to you is this:
IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD "IS" IS
Put that in your pipe and smoke it (but surely don't inhale).
To: harpu
As far as most Americans are concerned, Saddam had and used WMD and the ability to make more and perhaps has. Terrorists are working hard in this country with those very WMDs, rather than argue where are they - we had better find them quickly.
By the way, consider the source for the article, a man whose credibility has always been in question. John Dean is bogus IMHO, certainly not George Bush. How very like the left to paint this President as mendacious as Bill Clinton, they always drag the opposition down to their level with spin and lies. Mr. Dean is no exception.
23 posted on
06/07/2003 8:24:05 AM PDT by
yoe
(Hillary has a lot more to answere to than just "pretty questions" from Ms. Waters...)
To: harpu
"Frankly, I hope the WMDs are found, for it will end the matter."But meanwhile, I want to get slobber all over the president because this is a good piece of jerky for the Dims to chew on and on and on and on.
And do you really think "it will end the matter?" Not a chance. The leftists are setting their own little verbal "land mines" and are trying to blow up the current administration.
24 posted on
06/07/2003 8:26:20 AM PDT by
arasina
(Thank God the White House now has plenty of CLEAN laundry!)
To: harpu
We are letting our enemies frame the argument as usual.
Check out the number of articles and threads on the news sites including FR and see how many combine WMDs with "lie, lying" etc.
WMD headlines mentioning - "faulty intel, honest mistake, not found yet, we know he had them once so what happened to them" - are mighty scarce on the ground.
26 posted on
06/07/2003 8:29:04 AM PDT by
Let's Roll
(And those that cried Appease! Appease! are hanged by those they tried to please!")
To: harpu
Is lying to Hiltler impeachable offense?
To: harpu
What about the missiles that had greater than 62-mile range that were found? It was agreed by all that they had a range far greater than what was legal under the surrender agreement with Saddam.
30 posted on
06/07/2003 8:39:05 AM PDT by
ikka
To: harpu
Please -- the number one coward in the nation, John "I'm Scared of Getting Raped in Prison" Dean, is the last person to talk about liars in government.
31 posted on
06/07/2003 8:40:33 AM PDT by
beckett
To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; Grampa Dave; FairOpinion
So the impeachment balloon has been launched...
36 posted on
06/07/2003 8:43:34 AM PDT by
MizSterious
(Support whirled peas!)
To: harpu
How do you feel about this long winded attack from John Dean?
40 posted on
06/07/2003 8:47:02 AM PDT by
Grampa Dave
(Evil Old White Devil Californian Grampa for big Al Sharpton and Nader in primaries!)
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