[Luke Skyfreeper]

Abortion has been a topic of interest for some years. I wrote the "backbone" of this to another thread, and then decided it was significant enough to merit a thread of its own. Agree or disagree, your comments are welcome.

And if you should elect me to the Missouri State legislature, I will propose such a bill. ;-)

[dirtboy]

So a fetus (I don't care to play word games) is somehow less human on the 56th day of gestation than it is on the 57th? While we're dehumanizeing something that is obviously human, let's see if we can declare Jews, Slavs, Christians, Muslims, Aborigines or women as something less than human when it suits our needs. It's so much easier to kill them when we do that, you know.

As Herman Hesse once noted after WWI, we understand less than ever nowadays what it means to be human, and men are shot wholesale as a result. I don't care to downplay the humanity of a fetus for political expediency.

[The Old Hoosier]

Disagree. A life is a life is a life.

[Alberta's Child]

The only problem with your proposal is that it has no basis in either law or science. You have chosen a haphazard "viability" date as the point at which human life begins, and aside from the fact that this runs counter to what is commonly known from biology, it also makes no sense because advances in medicine will always be making that "viability" date earlier and earlier in pregnancy.

[boris]

Did you know the original "working" name of Luke Skywalker was Luke Starkiller?

No kidding.

Oh, and the first Star Wars movie was based on Le Morte d'Artur, the story of King Arthur, with Luke as Arthur, Obi-Wan as Merlin...Light sabres=Excalibur, etc.

--Boris

[stuartcr]

What we need to understand, is that abortions, will continue to happen, whether legal or not.

[RAT Patrol]

Technically, even a newborn baby can't live on his own. Someone has to use their own body and care for him. The only difference is the child's location -- outside versus inside.

[Renatus]

Abortion has been a topic of interest for some years. I wrote the "backbone" of this to another thread, and then decided it was significant enough to merit a thread of its own.

It is not significant at all. Life begins at conception and is created by God. Noone has any right to kill any innocent human life. You wasted your time starting this thread.

[Search4Truth]

Useless semantics. Human life starts at conception.

[LiteKeeper]

read later

[Zavien Doombringer]

[DonQ]

Abortion should be legal, but only up to a certain date.

I suggest the cutoff date be the seventeenth birthday. I know there are parents that have considered this possibility.

[LanPB01]

I'll buck the trend and suggest your views of abortion aren't too bad.

[SunStar]

This debate reminds me of the Israel/Palistinian issue. Both sides are so extreme in their views that neither side will EVER accept a common-sense middleground viewpoint such as the one you listed, and that I agree with. It's a good try, however, and I suggest that until the congress stops the murderous procedure of partial-birth murder, there will certainly be no common ground between the pro-choice and pro-life camps.

[Laserman]

I have often thought that one aspect of the abortion problem is the complicit involvement of doctors who are suppose to try and save lives. To that end, I think doctors should be required to try and save the life of the developing child no matter at what stage the mother seeks an abortion. In early stages medical science would not have the ability to save the life, while at later stages they certainly would be able to. If the mother gives up the baby,the state, or an adopting couple would foot the bill. Also, this would encourage the development of technologies that would allow earlier preservation of the baby when removed from the mother.

At least this approach would recognize the rights of the baby and the responsibility of the doctors to try and save the life. It would still allow the mother to "choose" to separaate herself from the baby, both physicall and legally.

Does this make sense? It is a compromise from requiring the mother to carry the child, but is better than what we have now.

[Ben Bolt]

If I could vote for you I would not .

[netmilsmom]

Welcome to FR. Debate is wonderful.

[palmer]

Welcome to FR. Decent argument and I agree with your conclusion. There is no "moment" where humanity begins but it is clear that fertilized eggs don't share any of the qualities of humanity except in a purely scientific or religious sense.

[SunStar]

Your idea that one can be both pro-choice and pro-life by using common-sense is the same view I share. I do not think that a baby is alive until its initial brain activity begins. There is certainly an early point where abortion should be legal. Bu the religious conservatives do not see it that way. However, after that early few weeks, abortion should be outlawed, and the leftists believe that the woman's sexual liberation is more important than saving a baby's life. It is certainly a tough issue. Good try with your thread. I agree fully with your position.

[RedBloodedAmerican]

You any relation to Darth?

[amused]

Welcome to FR.

As a newbie, I would recommend avoiding starting lightning rod threads(no Zot pun here, I'm series). People don't know you yet and are more likely to write you off as a disruptor. But welcome all the same.