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Washington Post | 06/02/03 | Gary Bauer

Posted on 06/03/2003 8:54:13 AM PDT by Believer 1

To: Friends

From: Gary L. Bauer President American Values

Date: Monday, June 2, 2003

Christian Terrorism?

It took the Washington Post less than 48 hours to link accused Olympic bomber Eric Rudolph with Christianity. This is the same Washington Post that downplays the growing evidence that the Washington, D.C. snipers were driven by their Islamic faith. An article on page 3 of the Post this morning, under the headline, "Is Terrorism Tied to Christian Sect?" heavily quotes Professor James Aho of Idaho State University. Professor Aho tells the Post that if Christians take umbrage at the juxtaposition of the words "Christian" and "terrorist," "that may give them some idea of how Muslims feel when they constantly hear the term 'Islamic terrorism.'" Professor Aho goes on to assure us that "every major world religion has people who have appropriated the label of their religion in order to legitimize their violence."

Is the professor really this ignorant? Assuming Eric Rudolph committed these crimes, he cannot find one word in the teachings of Christ to justify them. Nor will he find any theological leader of any branch of Christianity willing to defend his criminal conduct. No Christian neighborhoods burst into celebration at the news of the bombings. Nor are Christian children being taught that if Rudolph had died in his attacks he would be a "martyr" welcomed into heaven.

The contrast with radical Islamic teachings couldn't be more stark. Each terrorist act against Christians and Jews by those acting in the name of Islam is excused by countless Islamic leaders, theologians, imams, and philosophers. Schools are named after jihad bombers. And there are plenty of verses in the Koran cited to justify the murderous attacks of Islamic "warriors." Do you see the difference, Professor Aho?


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To: CyberCowboy777
While his direct affiliation with the group may be thin, his maniacal hold on the tenets are undeniable.

Is it possible that a break away would happen as to minimize scrutiny of the group?


That wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility.
And if Rudolph's case causes investigation (by the guvmint or the media) that
kick over the rotting log called the Christian Identity Movement, so much the better.
The light of day is extremely painful for these sort of nutburgers.
101 posted on 06/03/2003 4:38:53 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
thanks for the article...it should be interesting to see what we learn about Rudolph
and any of his fellow travelers in the days, weeks, months and years to come.
102 posted on 06/03/2003 4:44:31 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Constitutionalist Conservative
one line from the article did tick me a bit:

Her anger helped transform her and her family into staunch anti-government ideologues —
often a pathway into white supremacism.


It may be true, but maybe should have mentioned it can work on other ethnic/race
groups...e.g., Black Panthers/Black Muslims.
(well, at least some of the rhetoric of those two groups seemed to look
down on non-blacks)
103 posted on 06/03/2003 4:50:44 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Seti 1
Thanks for the welcome...just hope I don't hang myself with the "ropes"!!
104 posted on 06/03/2003 6:11:45 PM PDT by Believer 1
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To: philosofy123
"Think about that statement! How a majority is dictated to by the minority'?

Seems like there's always something to divide people and prevent them from uniting against a common enemy. During the Crusades it was petty rivalries between nations, kings and feudal lords. In modern America it's polictical correctness that keeps the majority in a fearful state of mind over what the minority thinks. The ancient Luciferian war cry, "Divide and Conquer" is always at work.

105 posted on 06/03/2003 7:14:55 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: Damocles
"There are Christian Fundamentalist Extremists out there just as there are Islamic Fundamentalist Extremists."

Would you care to produce ANY proportional symmetry to your frivilous and absurd analogy?

106 posted on 06/03/2003 7:22:58 PM PDT by F16Fighter (Democrats -- The Party of Stalin and Chiraq)
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To: MineralMan
"None of the Muslims I know condone or support terrorism."

Of course the circle of Muslims you "know" are stupid enough to confide to you any such revelations?

" It is a lesson for us to learn, I believe. While some Muslims are terrorists, they are as small a minority as the minority of self-proclaimed Christians who are terrorists or who foment violence in the name of their religion."

Gee -- thanks Mr. Rogers for the spiel on 'bad people are just bad people -- no matter WHO they are.'

BTW -- on your next trip to Muslim land, please make sure you're not dangling anything resembling a Cross -- It might get you killed.

107 posted on 06/03/2003 7:33:31 PM PDT by F16Fighter (Democrats -- The Party of Stalin and Chiraq)
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To: Damocles
"Now, to deny that this group has an inherent Christian base is DENIAL."

Garbage post. You cannot be Christian in name only like Rudolph, his bizarre sect and his ilk: "On that day many will say to me, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?' And then will I declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.'

So throwing out isolated Biblical verses is a useless labor, the Bible must be taken in its entirety or else you abuse its contents for your own purposes; even Satan tried this treachery by quoting Scripture to Jesus, but Jesus put him in his place telling Satan that "man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God", (Mathew 4:4). Any fruitloop, fringe gang of thugs can unite under the banner of a Christian name and quote from the Bible, but this in no wise makes them any part of the Christian Church, or true followers of Christ. Jesus warned His true followers that there would "false prophets" and "wolves in sheeps clothing" who would try to destroy His Church,(Mathew 7:15). The Bible also tells us that true Christians are of "one body, one spirit, one calling, one faith, and one baptism", (Ephesians 4: 4-5). Since Jesus' days when He walked the earth there have been literally hundreds of heretical sects, who applied some, or many, teachings of Christianity but added or subtracted other teachings and doctrines, and all of these sects, (such as gnostics, Arians, Cathars, Manichees, etc, etc), have been condemned in the Councils over the centuries as 'ravenous wolves in sheep's clothing',, namely, heretics who usurp the name 'Christian'. This too was foretold in Scripture, (2 John 1:9 )

108 posted on 06/03/2003 7:53:20 PM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: Believer 1
That is great Believer 1. I am a Christian and I get a little carried away sometimes. If Christians had gotten involved long ago I think we wouldn't be in such a mess now.
Maybe. So glad you are at Free Republic. I am new here too.
God Bless.
109 posted on 06/03/2003 7:58:04 PM PDT by OREALLY
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To: TheCrusader
Well said, and I am afraid you are correct.
110 posted on 06/03/2003 8:10:03 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: TheCrusader; F16Fighter
You're obviously an intelligent person so I'm bewildered that you are missing my rather simple point.

Yes, Rudolph belongs to a fringe group which I abhor. Yes, I believe they are scripturally corrupt. I'd even go so far as to say they are not Christian.

The point I have been trying to make ad naseum, is a verse or set of verses can be taken IN or OUT of context to justify virtually any action in Christianity AND Islam.

The "All Muslims are evil" crowd need to take a look in the mirror, which this Rudolph case allows, and see if they may be a tad hypocritical. The "good" Muslims have been saying those that practcice violence in the name of Islam are NOT following Islam, just as you are saying that those who use violence an race hatred are NOT practicing Christianity.

The premise is difficult to embrace because it requires some people to acknowledge a flaw in their thinking, but it can be a very healthy exercise to avoid condeming entire groups of people practicing a religion different than yours.

I hope I have made myself clear as to my primary point. This is not a doctrinal debate by rather a human nature problem; namely overgeneralizing.

111 posted on 06/04/2003 5:32:32 AM PDT by Damocles (sword of...)
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To: F16Fighter
"BTW -- on your next trip to Muslim land, please make sure you're not dangling anything resembling a Cross -- It might get you killed."

Really? I was stationed in Turkey while serving in the USAF, and found the Turks to be quite friendly to me. Amazing, isn't it. I was friendly to them and they returned the sentiment.

How many Muslims do you know?
112 posted on 06/04/2003 7:33:06 AM PDT by MineralMan
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To: Believer 1
Guys like Rudolph aren't Christians, they are just cast offs from ex KKK democrats from the south. Da devil dun go to them and they are CONFUSED!
114 posted on 06/04/2003 7:44:27 AM PDT by jetson
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To: Damocles
"The point I have been trying to make ad naseum, is a verse or set of verses can be taken IN or OUT of context to justify virtually any action in Christianity AND Islam".

The reason why nobody will accept your premise is that Islam's holy book, the koran, teaches violence against Jews and Christians. In fact, it actually blesses this violence and elevates Muslims to the level of "martyr" who die trying to kill Christians and Jews. Some Mohammedans who have left that insane 'relgion' have even written that they left because they felt the Koran was nothing more than a manual for war, or a manual for terrorism and killing. Conversely, no matter how many whackos try to link themselves with Christianity, it is impossible to do so when they kill unjustly, allegedly, "in the name of Jesus". The New Testament is crystal clear throughout in this matter. Jesus forgave His murderers even as they nailed him to a cross, (Luke 23: 34). Jesus commanded "love thy neighbor", (Luke 10:27). The Fifth Commandment "THOU SHALT NOT KILL". Jesus said we must forgive those who harm us "seven times seventy times", (Mathew 18: 21-2). Jesus taught us to turn our other cheek to those who do violence to us, (Mathew 5:38). I could go on and on, but I believe I have made my point. The Koran teaches violence and hostility to those who will not convert, the Christian Bible teaches its followers to love their neighbor and even their enemy.

115 posted on 06/04/2003 8:00:23 AM PDT by TheCrusader
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To: TheCrusader
That's rich coming from a poster with the moniker "The Crusader". You are gonna have to explain how the Crusades were even possible under the guise of Christianity. The same gospel we read and live today was used then to justify FORCED conversions, the same as Islam.

Christianity underwent a period of enlightenment where some radical changes were made to the belief systems.

Islam is still waiting for this reformation, but there are those trying, especially here in the U.S.

You have a myopic view of history if you believe that Christianity has not been used to justify violence on a mass scale in the past. This is not an attempt at moral equivalence but a simple statement of historical fact.

Islam is just about 500 years behind.

116 posted on 06/04/2003 8:18:14 AM PDT by Damocles (sword of...)
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To: bereanway
You said it so much better than I. Thanks for the response. I am so sick of Christian bashing. It is a sad fact of history that while Islamic terrorists were plotting 9-11, the Clinton Whitehouse was using the FBI to infiltrate the dangerous Southern Baptist organizations . McVeigh was not a Christain terrorist-despite the NYT nonsense. He was a Clinton hater and sited WACO as the reason, he blew up the Oklahoma FBI building. I don't know what motivated Rudolf. If he is guilty, he is certainly no Christian. I live in Atlanta, and most of us are not sure Rudolf did it. After all, we were told Richard Jewell was the bomber. His Mom's tupperware was confiscated by the FBI if you can believe it. I would like to see what kind of a case the FBI can build against Rudolf. I noticed Rudolf pled not guilty yesterday. Thanks again-for the excellent response.
117 posted on 06/04/2003 9:25:50 AM PDT by nyconse
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To: MineralMan
" I was stationed in Turkey while serving in the USAF, and found the Turks to be quite friendly to me. Amazing, isn't it.'

Firstly, Turkey isn't quite a Muslim theocracy, is it? Have you tried dangling that shiny cross in Saudi Arabia? Kuwait?

Secondly, and with all due respect, it isn't that I don't believe you -- I do -- but is it possible you had mistaken "friendliness" for "respect"? And any "friendliness" doesn't for a moment entitle you to the inner-most thoughts of an Moslem. I think by now we ALL are familiar with the Koran and its mandated hostility toward ANY non-Moslems. Unfortunately, the evidence of this fact the world over is overwhelming.

118 posted on 06/04/2003 9:39:54 AM PDT by F16Fighter (Democrats -- The Party of Stalin and Chiraq)
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To: F16Fighter
"Firstly, Turkey isn't quite a Muslim theocracy, is it? Have you tried dangling that shiny cross in Saudi Arabia? Kuwait? "

What cross? I'm an atheist.
119 posted on 06/04/2003 10:01:35 AM PDT by MineralMan
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To: VOA
The light of day is extremely painful for these sort of nutburgers.

Lets hope it happens and is very painful.

120 posted on 06/04/2003 10:01:43 AM PDT by CyberCowboy777 (Professional FReeper. Do not attempt.)
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