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Bush refuses to declare that Israel is a Jewish state [at the summit] (Freeper Translation)
Maariv Israeli Newspaper ^ | June 3, 2003 | Sahar and Hogi

Posted on 06/02/2003 9:50:04 PM PDT by yonif

Translation from Hebrew to English by me of the first section talking about this refusal:

From signals that have arrived in the last few days to the state level in Israel it is found that President Bush does not intend to declare during the summit in Aghaba that the State of Israel is "the state of the Jewish people."

Israel asked the Americans to include in Bush's speech the notion of the existance of Israel as a Jewish state, to make it clear that the Americans do not recognize the Right of Return of the Palestinians, however it was Palestinian pressue that caused the Americans to go back from making that planned declaration.

Israel was surprised from the American refusal, due to the fact in Bush's speech in the University of Southern Carolina in the beginning of last month, the President declared that Israel is a Jewish state. State (Israeli) officials noted yesterday that in closed meetings with the American ambassador in Israel Dan Kurtzer and the American envoys to the area, Eliot Abrams and Bill Burns, the three came back and made clear that the US made clear to the Arab world that there is no right of return, and the American position in the issue is known. This is why in Israel they do not understand why this time Bush refused to make this known position again.

Foreign Minister Silvan Shalom met yesterday with the Prime Minister, and underlined that it is necessary to continue to ask the Americans to include the issue of Israel's existance as a Jewish state in his speech. Sharon and Shalom have decided to add to the Israeli declaration the fact that Israel is a Jewish state and it will continue to be one.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; Israel; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: arabs; bush; eliotabrams; israel; jewishstate; jews; jordansummit; roadmap; summit
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To: yonif
As for my thought on this matter... Bush has betrayed Israel.....


5 posted on 06/03/2003 1:45 AM EDT by TLBSHOW
21 posted on 06/03/2003 9:55:00 AM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: yonif
So, since when is it the President of the United States of America's place to declare a Jewish State?

You are really getting over the top on this forum.

22 posted on 06/03/2003 9:56:54 AM PDT by Redleg Duke (Stir the pot...don't let anything settle to the bottom where the lawyers can feed off of it!)
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To: yonif
BUMP again my friend to truth!
24 posted on 06/03/2003 10:29:02 AM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: FairOpinion
That is also what I choose to believe: GWB's actions are more important sometimes. If he ever, ever met with arafat, I would be utterly saddened. However, the fact that abbas isn't the freshest of faces among the arafat crowd is troubling to me.
25 posted on 06/03/2003 10:59:54 AM PDT by Donna Lee Nardo
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To: yonif
As I posted on another thread found HERE . Bush referred to Israel as a state today.

"Terror threatens my nation, terror threatens all states," including Israel and the Palestinian Authority," he said.

Some people are going to be so disappointed that Bush referred to Israel as a state. It takes away yet another of their righteous rants against Bush.

6 posted on 06/03/2003 10:55 AM PDT by justshe



26 posted on 06/03/2003 11:01:09 AM PDT by justshe
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To: yonif
This deserves another Israeli bump.
27 posted on 06/03/2003 12:40:39 PM PDT by Zathras
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To: yonif
No Arab state in Eretz Yisrael.

EVER!

28 posted on 06/03/2003 1:58:10 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Zathras
bump again and again
29 posted on 06/03/2003 2:00:20 PM PDT by TLBSHOW (the gift is to see the truth)
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To: FairOpinion
I'm reminded of the Cheers episode where Woody wanted a raise, and Rebecca refused it. Instead, she gave him a title "Senior Bar Manager Assistant" and he told everyone he didn't need a raise now that he had the new title.
30 posted on 06/03/2003 2:09:46 PM PDT by M. Peach (eschew obsfucation)
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To: montag813
Although President Bush uses the term "Road Map"..the design is not his...not by a million miles.

If you research his rhetoric prior to running for office..he has little to say about Israel...so this "Vision" is really not..but the engineering of another.

The "Other" is known..and most reading allong here will admit that yours truly.."Henry Kissinger"..has infact been relaying the format for time block phase implimentation for a 2 state solutions...for 2 decades openly.

Bush has His part or role to play in the great Drama of Henry Kissinger and the U.S. State dept...and "Others".

Emperor Clintonius implimented his assignments..now GWB follows the next phase linkage of OSLO.

After 2008...another will continue the program.

Eventually...it will fall apart...as the Arabs envy and hatred of Israels existence will lead to another confederation attack of Little Israel.

In that day...Israel will have to go the Nuclear route to contest the advance....Her vast arsenal of Neutronic munitions will atomize the Tents of Esau on the mountains of Israel as prophecied

...bleached white bones lying in the Sun .

31 posted on 06/03/2003 5:28:56 PM PDT by Light Speed
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To: Light Speed
In that day...Israel will have to go the Nuclear route to contest the advance....Her vast arsenal of Neutronic munitions will atomize the Tents of Esau on the mountains of Israel as prophecied ...bleached white bones lying in the Sun .

An excellent analysis, hard to agree with any part of it. However the Kissinger Conspiracy is too cute. The sad and simple fact is that the Europeans are the Muslims' benefactors and the State Department follows the European view and always has, whether it was to allow the Nazis free reign to murder Jews in the 1940's, or seeing Israel as illegitimate and seeking to undermine its sovreignty at every turn.

Bush has the people in his circle to overcome this Jew-hating cabal at the DoS, but he won't. He is squandering the momentum we had following 9/11. To see him kowtowing to the leaders of the nations of which nearly all had citizens on the hijacked planes is beyond shameful...it is disgusting, and spits on the graves of those who fell on September 11th. By forcing the creation of a terrorist state next to Israel, Bush is fulfilling the 2nd of two Al Queda goals. Insanely--if he does not stop this train--he will become a willing accomplice with the Islamofascists who sing so sweetly in English, and in Arabic assure their people their aim is still to destroy Israel.

Having Abu Mazen is power is like having Uday Hussein take over in Iraq. There is NO DIFFERENCE. And the fact that Bush chooses Europe and Foggy Bottom over his own party's Conservatives is beyond dismaying...and is yet another of many signs that something has gone terribly wrong in this White House.

32 posted on 06/03/2003 7:17:00 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Delbert
possibly, i have invisioned the forced expulsion of the palestinians after a devistating terror attack in Jerusalem followed by the same scenario. or the collapse of the foundations under the dome of the rock and the reclaiming of the temple mount by the Jews. even with the seriousness of these happenings just the thought of the Jews reclaiming the temple mount brings a smile to my face. ;7)
33 posted on 06/03/2003 9:54:55 PM PDT by gdc61 (poor fishies)
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To: montag813
I guess we will hear Americas answer to everything tracking on the lead up to 2004;

Or will the media decieve America ....via controlled spin.

34 posted on 06/03/2003 10:01:19 PM PDT by Light Speed
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