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I don't believe they will ever give up the fight to disarm the American People.
1 posted on 05/31/2003 12:46:43 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
Fortunately, gun control seems to be becoming more and more of a loser issue as time goes by. If you look at that "other" site, there are many liberals who eloquently argue for 2nd Amendment rights, despite being complete leftisits on every other issue. It's very encouraging.
2 posted on 05/31/2003 12:50:35 PM PDT by jmc813 (After two years of FReeping, I've finally created a profile page. Check it out!)
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Democrats appear to have abandoned gun control as a political wedge, declining to push the issue in Congress despite being given the opportunity by congressional Republicans.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat, upbraided President Bush earlier this month for not pushing fellow Republicans to bring the assault-weapons ban up for reauthorization before it expires in September 2004. "The president has announced that he supports the assault ban, and it would be helpful if he used his good offices to do that," Mrs. Pelosi said at her last weekly press briefing before the Memorial Day recess. "I don't know whether he intends to or not."

House Republicans consider it a pretty safe bet that he won't, and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas has stated that the chances of a renewal of the ban coming to the House floor are slim. Yet Democrats still have options — both rhetorically, by trying to make gun control a hot-button issue again, and legislatively, by filing for a discharge petition to get a vote on the floor. Mrs. Pelosi, however, has declined to commit to either strategy and acknowledged that if the vote comes to the floor, many Democrats would not vote to renew the ban.

"We would probably lose some votes," Mrs. Pelosi said early this month. "It won't be something that we would be whipping." Asked whether she would push for a discharge petition, which requires support from a majority of House members, to force an up-or-down vote on the assault-weapons ban, Mrs. Pelosi balked, saying that "our discharge focus is now on unemployment compensation." After the press briefing, however, Mrs. Pelosi said the Democrats might revisit guns "when the issue is ripe."

Republicans see that as a dodge. "There seems to be a disconnect between Leader Pelosi's desire for the administration to utilize its 'good offices,' while at the same time maintaining that they don't intend to whip the issue," a high-level House Republican staffer said.

"If you want something done in this town, you have to be willing to lift a finger at the very least. But on this issue and so many others, it's apparent that the Democrats aren't interested in results, just rhetoric," the staffer said.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat, has introduced a bill to reauthorize the ban on 19 types of "assault weapons," which first passed in 1994. It has garnered eight co-sponsors after several weeks of courting. Meanwhile, a bill protecting firearms manufacturers and gun-store owners from liability if their guns are used to commit crimes passed in the House on April 9 by a vote of 285-140, with the support of 63 Democrats. The Senate version of the bill has 52 co-sponsors and is expected to pass during the summer. Andrew Arulanandam, director of public affairs for the National Rifle Association, sees these as signs that the political tide turned long ago against those who support further regulating firearms. He pointed to the defeat in the 2000 presidential election of Al Gore in such Democratic-leaning yet pro-gun states as West Virginia, Arkansas and his home state of Tennessee. And in the 2002 midterm elections, 230 of 246 House candidates endorsed by the NRA emerged victorious.

"If you look at the results of the last two elections, you see a trend that candidates who are supporters of gun rights for law-abiding citizens tend to prevail," Mr. Arulanandam said. Gun-control groups, however, suggest that the issue may be dormant now, but is apt to become an electoral factor by 2004.

"No one is particularly focused on this," said Matt Bennett, spokesman for Americans for Gun Safety. "There is no hook for this issue quite yet. But when the public realizes that unless Congress acts [by September 2004], that 'street sweepers' and Tec-9s will hit the streets again, it will become hot again."

Democrats abandon the gun issue at their peril, said Blaine Rummel, spokesman for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. He disputed the NRA's political success stories, noting that Mr. Gore won Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin — states where advocates on both sides of the gun issue spent heavily on political advertising. "There isn't a shred of evidence that says gun control is a political loser," Mr. Rummel said. "It hasn't cost a candidate a political race anywhere."

Mr. Rummel also pointed to the failed campaign of Senate candidate Jean Carnahan, Missouri Democrat, who tried to woo gun owners by wearing hunting camouflage in her political advertising. "The Democrats ran away from gun safety in the 2002 elections, and look where it got them,"

Mr. Rummel said.

"Whoever is advising them on gun control should be shot."

Democrats "foolishly believe the NRA is going to go easy on them" if they register a vote for the liability protection or keep quiet about the assault-weapons ban, Mr. Rummel said. "This issue is never going to go away," he said.

3 posted on 05/31/2003 12:52:24 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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Liberal quote of the day: Mr. Rummel said. "Whoever is advising them on gun control should be shot."

Wonder what liberal gun control freek and no doubt registered Democrat Rummel suggests this unnamed person be shot with?

Tom

5 posted on 05/31/2003 12:59:27 PM PDT by fatboy
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"We would probably lose some votes," Mrs. Pelosi said early this month. "It won't be something that we would be whipping." Asked whether she would push for a discharge petition, which requires support from a majority of House members, to force an up-or-down vote on the assault-weapons ban, Mrs. Pelosi balked, saying that "our discharge focus is now on unemployment compensation." After the press briefing, however, Mrs. Pelosi said the Democrats might revisit guns "when the issue is ripe.""

Ms. Peolosi said, "...when the issue is ripe." I wonder if they are planning on creating an incident, where there is a mass slauhghter, to engender hysteria, so they can force through really repressive legislation?
6 posted on 05/31/2003 1:01:18 PM PDT by punster
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I don't believe they will ever give up the fight to disarm the American People.

Quote of the day nominee.

The Dumocraps and anti-gun RINO's will just lay in wait for the moment they have control again. THEN we, as gun-owners, are in SERIOUS trouble.

14 posted on 05/31/2003 1:17:42 PM PDT by Pistolshot
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Democrats appear to have abandoned gun control

Not in Illinois, where even so called Republicans are jumping on the anti-gun bandwagon.


15 posted on 05/31/2003 1:22:00 PM PDT by Barnacle (A Human Shield Against the Onslaught of Leftist Tripe.)
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Rummel should go back to the days immediately following the 1994 losses in the House of Representatives supporters of gun control suffered to find out he's very mistaken when he says the issue hasn't cost a candidate a race anywhere. After the 1994 elections even Barney Frank (D-MA) was widely quoted as saying the issue was the reason the Democrats lost the House and that the issue shouldn't be further pursued because it jeopardized the entire Democratic agenda.
19 posted on 05/31/2003 1:47:37 PM PDT by caltrop
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This article is a fantastic commentary on the difference between Republicans and Democrats. A Republican will often raise issues of national interest even though they no the political fight might be a loser. They will do this because they believe it is the right thing to do. To often Republicans have paid the price for their fierce defense of right vs. wrong with the loose of their political power. Yet they persevere, as they prefer to go down fighting the fights that need to be fought. Examples include Republicans that loose seats based on their stances on special interest groups right i.e. homosexuals, race based groups etc.

The Democrats, on the other hand, will shy away from what they believe to be “right” if it, in any way, would undermine their continuing political influence. They willing encourage others to commit “political suicide” in the name of their position yet refuse to do so themselves. No, they would much rather maintain the political position to appoint judges that will carry out their political agenda from the bench, were said judges are immune from the wrath of the voters.

22 posted on 05/31/2003 2:27:23 PM PDT by The_Pickle ("We have no Permanent Allies, We have no Permanent Enemies, Only Permanent Interests")
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Mrs. Pelosi said the Democrats might revisit guns "when the issue is ripe."

"When the issue is ripe" means When they have a shooting incident that can be hyped enought that they can use to blood of innocents to futher their political program.

24 posted on 05/31/2003 3:31:54 PM PDT by marktwain
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I don't believe they will ever give up the fight to disarm the American People.

Right, but they do remember Congressional 1994 elections, which was landslide for the Repubs.

25 posted on 05/31/2003 3:48:28 PM PDT by demlosers
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"I don't believe they will ever give up the fight to disarm the American People".

That's because they truly don't understand the American people and also because they are so un-American. From my cold, dead hand.

29 posted on 05/31/2003 5:25:45 PM PDT by maxwellp (Throw the U.N. in the garbage where it belongs.)
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I don't either.

They're not shunning it, they're shutting up about it until the political climate changes. They agree it's a losing issue right now, so they are de-emphasizing it until after they get elected.
31 posted on 05/31/2003 5:47:19 PM PDT by Liberal Classic (Quemadmoeum gladis nemeinum occidit, occidentis telum est.)
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and as I always do when I see an article like this, I always add, "Except in California". They're still at it.
33 posted on 05/31/2003 5:53:28 PM PDT by .38sw
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LOL Sure they have, at least until the next election is over. :0)
35 posted on 05/31/2003 7:34:12 PM PDT by ETERNAL WARMING
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"Democrats appear to have abandoned gun control as a political wedge"

If anyone believe this, I know where there's a huge bridge for sale in the Mohave Desert.
36 posted on 05/31/2003 8:05:38 PM PDT by lilylangtree
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"Whoever is advising them [RATS] on gun control should be shot. [so says Rummel]"

OK. But, only by a firing squad after their day in court on charges of treason...
37 posted on 05/31/2003 8:11:55 PM PDT by ApesForEvolution ("The only way evil triumphs is if good men do nothing" E. Burke)
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I agree. I don't believe the democrat party will ever give up their quest to disarm citizens. Democrats are in a desperate attempt to merely survive. The recent efforts to triangulate. Move toward a moderate "image" vs their regressive leftist reality. (see hilary's supposed faux anoying of far leftist colegues of hers.)

We need to keep up the pressure and vote to ensure the electoral extinction of the democrat party. The Democrat party must go the way of the dodo bird. (lunch)
44 posted on 05/31/2003 10:35:48 PM PDT by longtermmemmory
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Hee Hee Hee, they really are desperate! They know this is a losing issue with the citizens, and so they show that they aren't really committed to this afterall!
Hypocrites!
45 posted on 05/31/2003 10:47:19 PM PDT by ladyinred
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Let's hope that they'll also abandon homosexuality and abortion one of these days.
46 posted on 06/01/2003 5:28:29 AM PDT by No Dems 2004
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After the press briefing, however, Mrs. Pelosi said the Democrats might revisit guns "when the issue is ripe."

Meaning, "We'll wait until just after some psycho (who would have been denied a gun under current laws anyway) shoots up a schoolyard. Then this issue will be ripe!"

The Democrats then went on to say, "While we're at it, President Bush is a bad man for politically exploiting 9/11 for the purpose of passing new laws!!! ...but we're pure as virgins in driven snow whenever we do that same thing with gun control."

As always, hypocrisy never had it so good...

-Jay

74 posted on 06/01/2003 11:55:19 AM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (When the smoke cleared, the terrorist was over there...and over there...and over there...)
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