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Democrats appear to have abandoned gun control as a political wedge, declining to push the issue in Congress despite being given the opportunity by congressional Republicans.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat, upbraided President Bush earlier this month for not pushing fellow Republicans to bring the assault-weapons ban up for reauthorization before it expires in September 2004. "The president has announced that he supports the assault ban, and it would be helpful if he used his good offices to do that," Mrs. Pelosi said at her last weekly press briefing before the Memorial Day recess. "I don't know whether he intends to or not."

House Republicans consider it a pretty safe bet that he won't, and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas has stated that the chances of a renewal of the ban coming to the House floor are slim. Yet Democrats still have options — both rhetorically, by trying to make gun control a hot-button issue again, and legislatively, by filing for a discharge petition to get a vote on the floor. Mrs. Pelosi, however, has declined to commit to either strategy and acknowledged that if the vote comes to the floor, many Democrats would not vote to renew the ban.

"We would probably lose some votes," Mrs. Pelosi said early this month. "It won't be something that we would be whipping." Asked whether she would push for a discharge petition, which requires support from a majority of House members, to force an up-or-down vote on the assault-weapons ban, Mrs. Pelosi balked, saying that "our discharge focus is now on unemployment compensation." After the press briefing, however, Mrs. Pelosi said the Democrats might revisit guns "when the issue is ripe."

Republicans see that as a dodge. "There seems to be a disconnect between Leader Pelosi's desire for the administration to utilize its 'good offices,' while at the same time maintaining that they don't intend to whip the issue," a high-level House Republican staffer said.

"If you want something done in this town, you have to be willing to lift a finger at the very least. But on this issue and so many others, it's apparent that the Democrats aren't interested in results, just rhetoric," the staffer said.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat, has introduced a bill to reauthorize the ban on 19 types of "assault weapons," which first passed in 1994. It has garnered eight co-sponsors after several weeks of courting. Meanwhile, a bill protecting firearms manufacturers and gun-store owners from liability if their guns are used to commit crimes passed in the House on April 9 by a vote of 285-140, with the support of 63 Democrats. The Senate version of the bill has 52 co-sponsors and is expected to pass during the summer. Andrew Arulanandam, director of public affairs for the National Rifle Association, sees these as signs that the political tide turned long ago against those who support further regulating firearms. He pointed to the defeat in the 2000 presidential election of Al Gore in such Democratic-leaning yet pro-gun states as West Virginia, Arkansas and his home state of Tennessee. And in the 2002 midterm elections, 230 of 246 House candidates endorsed by the NRA emerged victorious.

"If you look at the results of the last two elections, you see a trend that candidates who are supporters of gun rights for law-abiding citizens tend to prevail," Mr. Arulanandam said. Gun-control groups, however, suggest that the issue may be dormant now, but is apt to become an electoral factor by 2004.

"No one is particularly focused on this," said Matt Bennett, spokesman for Americans for Gun Safety. "There is no hook for this issue quite yet. But when the public realizes that unless Congress acts [by September 2004], that 'street sweepers' and Tec-9s will hit the streets again, it will become hot again."

Democrats abandon the gun issue at their peril, said Blaine Rummel, spokesman for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. He disputed the NRA's political success stories, noting that Mr. Gore won Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin — states where advocates on both sides of the gun issue spent heavily on political advertising. "There isn't a shred of evidence that says gun control is a political loser," Mr. Rummel said. "It hasn't cost a candidate a political race anywhere."

Mr. Rummel also pointed to the failed campaign of Senate candidate Jean Carnahan, Missouri Democrat, who tried to woo gun owners by wearing hunting camouflage in her political advertising. "The Democrats ran away from gun safety in the 2002 elections, and look where it got them,"

Mr. Rummel said.

"Whoever is advising them on gun control should be shot."

Democrats "foolishly believe the NRA is going to go easy on them" if they register a vote for the liability protection or keep quiet about the assault-weapons ban, Mr. Rummel said. "This issue is never going to go away," he said.

3 posted on 05/31/2003 12:52:24 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Shooter 2.5; Joe Brower
Mr. Rummel said.

"Whoever is advising them on gun control should be shot."

Note that Mr/ Rummel is willing to have such things done on his behalf, but doesn't care to do his own dirty work.
Typical.

But I'm hardly surprised that he'd have others killed to further his own goals. There've been others like him before.

-archy-/-


10 posted on 05/31/2003 1:14:01 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Damn. They are not taking Bush's bait and pushing the Brady renewal. What will they do about the gun-maker law-suit ban, though? Presumably the trial lawyers are dead set against that.
11 posted on 05/31/2003 1:15:09 PM PDT by Boston Capitalist
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To: Shooter 2.5
Thank you.

FMCDH

13 posted on 05/31/2003 1:16:44 PM PDT by nothingnew (the pendulum swings and the libs are in the pit)
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To: Shooter 2.5
The polititcians may be shunning the issue, but the media is just getting started and they will get more and more shrill the closer to the AWB sunset date we get. It's gonna get very very ugly and all the pro-2nd amendment people need to make the media pay everytime one of their biased lie filled anti-gun diatribes is put on prime time.
27 posted on 05/31/2003 5:02:09 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Shooter 2.5
"Whoever is advising them on gun control should be shot."

OK with me. I think that all of these Socialists should be shot on general principle. They are all traitors to the Constitution.

47 posted on 06/01/2003 5:44:52 AM PDT by wcbtinman (The first one is expensive, all the rest are free.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Democrats appear to have abandoned gun control ... but only during the campaign. Don't be fooled or disarmed by their remarks.
54 posted on 06/01/2003 7:06:02 AM PDT by bimbo
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To: Shooter 2.5
After the press briefing, however, Mrs. Pelosi said the Democrats might revisit guns "when the issue is ripe."

They are betting that another Columbince-scale incident will bring the issue back to life for them. Otherwise, they'll squeak and try to make a few cheap points against the GOP and Bush and leave the issue alone.

In the policy debate now, I think that one can see the gun-control victories a few years ago in the wake of Columbine are now meeting with the aftermath of 9/11 which made people once again aware of just how vulnerable they are and just how long it takes the police to arrive.

The older Columbine tragedy has lost politically to the newer 9/11 tragedy in the imaginations of voters. But it could be revived in the event of a major gun-related media-accessible tragedy. This is what Pelosi and her allies are waiting for. In the meantime, they will avoid the issue because they believe it cost them the House in '94 and the presidency in 2000 along with a lot of other races, some of them downstream candidates. The issue is accelerating their decline in the South.
55 posted on 06/01/2003 7:46:36 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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To: Shooter 2.5
"There isn't a shred of evidence that says gun control is a political loser," Mr. Rummel said. "It hasn't cost a candidate a political race anywhere."

There are a few single issues that cause some voters to vote for against a candidate (gun control, abortion, a few other moral issues). But single issue voters are few and far between no matter what people like to think. It's ususally a balance sheet type of thing of positions that a voter finds favorable or objectionable (most people don't realize thei is how thay are thinking, it's not usually a conscious thing). There are very few people that add gun control to the positive side of the balance sheet (even if they are pro- gun control), but there are a large number that add it to the negative side. (I'm talking about average voters, not party hardliners). While gun control may not be fully rsponsible for a candidates defeat, it does add a negative component to a large number of voters balance sheets and a positive component to only a few (again, even most pro-control people don't really care that much about it). It's the total negative components of the balance sheet that end up determining who is elected or defeated.

64 posted on 06/01/2003 8:54:01 AM PDT by templar
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To: Shooter 2.5; wardaddy; Squantos; harpseal; Mulder; Noumenon
"Whoever is advising them on gun control should be shot."

Asinine liberal quote of the year.

65 posted on 06/01/2003 9:41:52 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Shooter 2.5
And in the 2002 midterm elections, 230 of 246 House candidates endorsed by the NRA emerged victorious.

This number is a little bogus. The NRA will endorse any sure winner just to pad this statistic. In some cases, they've endorsed blatant anti-gun rights candidates because they were "sure he could win." I don't think that the NRA is any more a shill for the Republican Party than the GOA is for the Libertarian Party, but neither organization makes me particularly proud.

Otherwise, it's good to hear that the anti-gun rights movement is having trouble getting traction.

Saving a few more jobs
Bill

67 posted on 06/01/2003 9:53:49 AM PDT by WFTR (Liberty isn't for cowards)
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To: Shooter 2.5

This needs to be made into a poster. It's about time the world saw -- in no uncertain terms -- the tyrannical and hypocritical designs of the Left.

-Jay

77 posted on 06/01/2003 12:33:02 PM PDT by Jay D. Dyson (When the smoke cleared, the terrorist was over there...and over there...and over there...)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Thanks for the format; my eyes were gettin' real sore.
101 posted on 06/02/2003 9:23:26 AM PDT by Cockroach (It doesn't matter who wins the rat race; in the end you're still a rat.)
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