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Democrats Shunning Gun Control
Washington Times ^ | James G. Lakely

Posted on 05/31/2003 12:46:42 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5

Edited on 07/12/2004 4:03:27 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

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I don't believe they will ever give up the fight to disarm the American People.
1 posted on 05/31/2003 12:46:43 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: Shooter 2.5
Fortunately, gun control seems to be becoming more and more of a loser issue as time goes by. If you look at that "other" site, there are many liberals who eloquently argue for 2nd Amendment rights, despite being complete leftisits on every other issue. It's very encouraging.
2 posted on 05/31/2003 12:50:35 PM PDT by jmc813 (After two years of FReeping, I've finally created a profile page. Check it out!)
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To: *bang_list
Democrats appear to have abandoned gun control as a political wedge, declining to push the issue in Congress despite being given the opportunity by congressional Republicans.

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, California Democrat, upbraided President Bush earlier this month for not pushing fellow Republicans to bring the assault-weapons ban up for reauthorization before it expires in September 2004. "The president has announced that he supports the assault ban, and it would be helpful if he used his good offices to do that," Mrs. Pelosi said at her last weekly press briefing before the Memorial Day recess. "I don't know whether he intends to or not."

House Republicans consider it a pretty safe bet that he won't, and House Majority Leader Tom DeLay of Texas has stated that the chances of a renewal of the ban coming to the House floor are slim. Yet Democrats still have options — both rhetorically, by trying to make gun control a hot-button issue again, and legislatively, by filing for a discharge petition to get a vote on the floor. Mrs. Pelosi, however, has declined to commit to either strategy and acknowledged that if the vote comes to the floor, many Democrats would not vote to renew the ban.

"We would probably lose some votes," Mrs. Pelosi said early this month. "It won't be something that we would be whipping." Asked whether she would push for a discharge petition, which requires support from a majority of House members, to force an up-or-down vote on the assault-weapons ban, Mrs. Pelosi balked, saying that "our discharge focus is now on unemployment compensation." After the press briefing, however, Mrs. Pelosi said the Democrats might revisit guns "when the issue is ripe."

Republicans see that as a dodge. "There seems to be a disconnect between Leader Pelosi's desire for the administration to utilize its 'good offices,' while at the same time maintaining that they don't intend to whip the issue," a high-level House Republican staffer said.

"If you want something done in this town, you have to be willing to lift a finger at the very least. But on this issue and so many others, it's apparent that the Democrats aren't interested in results, just rhetoric," the staffer said.

Sen. Dianne Feinstein, California Democrat, has introduced a bill to reauthorize the ban on 19 types of "assault weapons," which first passed in 1994. It has garnered eight co-sponsors after several weeks of courting. Meanwhile, a bill protecting firearms manufacturers and gun-store owners from liability if their guns are used to commit crimes passed in the House on April 9 by a vote of 285-140, with the support of 63 Democrats. The Senate version of the bill has 52 co-sponsors and is expected to pass during the summer. Andrew Arulanandam, director of public affairs for the National Rifle Association, sees these as signs that the political tide turned long ago against those who support further regulating firearms. He pointed to the defeat in the 2000 presidential election of Al Gore in such Democratic-leaning yet pro-gun states as West Virginia, Arkansas and his home state of Tennessee. And in the 2002 midterm elections, 230 of 246 House candidates endorsed by the NRA emerged victorious.

"If you look at the results of the last two elections, you see a trend that candidates who are supporters of gun rights for law-abiding citizens tend to prevail," Mr. Arulanandam said. Gun-control groups, however, suggest that the issue may be dormant now, but is apt to become an electoral factor by 2004.

"No one is particularly focused on this," said Matt Bennett, spokesman for Americans for Gun Safety. "There is no hook for this issue quite yet. But when the public realizes that unless Congress acts [by September 2004], that 'street sweepers' and Tec-9s will hit the streets again, it will become hot again."

Democrats abandon the gun issue at their peril, said Blaine Rummel, spokesman for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence. He disputed the NRA's political success stories, noting that Mr. Gore won Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin — states where advocates on both sides of the gun issue spent heavily on political advertising. "There isn't a shred of evidence that says gun control is a political loser," Mr. Rummel said. "It hasn't cost a candidate a political race anywhere."

Mr. Rummel also pointed to the failed campaign of Senate candidate Jean Carnahan, Missouri Democrat, who tried to woo gun owners by wearing hunting camouflage in her political advertising. "The Democrats ran away from gun safety in the 2002 elections, and look where it got them,"

Mr. Rummel said.

"Whoever is advising them on gun control should be shot."

Democrats "foolishly believe the NRA is going to go easy on them" if they register a vote for the liability protection or keep quiet about the assault-weapons ban, Mr. Rummel said. "This issue is never going to go away," he said.

3 posted on 05/31/2003 12:52:24 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: jmc813
Sorry about the formatting thing. I'm still learning how to post. I also don't like to post whole articles but this one with the "Should be shot" comment had to be repeated. The Bold print is mine.
4 posted on 05/31/2003 12:54:21 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Liberal quote of the day: Mr. Rummel said. "Whoever is advising them on gun control should be shot."

Wonder what liberal gun control freek and no doubt registered Democrat Rummel suggests this unnamed person be shot with?

Tom

5 posted on 05/31/2003 12:59:27 PM PDT by fatboy
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To: Shooter 2.5
"We would probably lose some votes," Mrs. Pelosi said early this month. "It won't be something that we would be whipping." Asked whether she would push for a discharge petition, which requires support from a majority of House members, to force an up-or-down vote on the assault-weapons ban, Mrs. Pelosi balked, saying that "our discharge focus is now on unemployment compensation." After the press briefing, however, Mrs. Pelosi said the Democrats might revisit guns "when the issue is ripe.""

Ms. Peolosi said, "...when the issue is ripe." I wonder if they are planning on creating an incident, where there is a mass slauhghter, to engender hysteria, so they can force through really repressive legislation?
6 posted on 05/31/2003 1:01:18 PM PDT by punster
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To: Shooter 2.5
You can quote whole articles from the Washington Times. Just not from the Washington Post, the LA Times, or their subsidiaries, including Newsweak.
7 posted on 05/31/2003 1:01:44 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: fatboy
HIS gun, of course.

I believe nuts like that are only after YOUR guns.
8 posted on 05/31/2003 1:04:14 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: fatboy
That Democrat is wrong; there is no reason to shoot 'em, just let the voter's vote 'em down.

And that Democratic dunce need only ask any Miami Cuban about gun control ala Janet Reno's armed raid in the Ilian case.

That picture of a Reno storm trooper, complete with a German H&K full auto assult rifle in one hand grabbing the terrified boy with the other was all they needed to know about guns out of control.

Surely they wouldn't have voted Republician because of that, Mr. Rummel - would they??
9 posted on 05/31/2003 1:12:30 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon liberty, it is essential to examine principles - -)
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To: Shooter 2.5; Joe Brower
Mr. Rummel said.

"Whoever is advising them on gun control should be shot."

Note that Mr/ Rummel is willing to have such things done on his behalf, but doesn't care to do his own dirty work.
Typical.

But I'm hardly surprised that he'd have others killed to further his own goals. There've been others like him before.

-archy-/-


10 posted on 05/31/2003 1:14:01 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Damn. They are not taking Bush's bait and pushing the Brady renewal. What will they do about the gun-maker law-suit ban, though? Presumably the trial lawyers are dead set against that.
11 posted on 05/31/2003 1:15:09 PM PDT by Boston Capitalist
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To: fatboy
Wonder what liberal gun control freek and no doubt registered Democrat Rummel suggests this unnamed person be shot with?

Potatoe cannon

12 posted on 05/31/2003 1:16:11 PM PDT by jimkress
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To: Shooter 2.5
Thank you.

FMCDH

13 posted on 05/31/2003 1:16:44 PM PDT by nothingnew (the pendulum swings and the libs are in the pit)
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To: Shooter 2.5
I don't believe they will ever give up the fight to disarm the American People.

Quote of the day nominee.

The Dumocraps and anti-gun RINO's will just lay in wait for the moment they have control again. THEN we, as gun-owners, are in SERIOUS trouble.

14 posted on 05/31/2003 1:17:42 PM PDT by Pistolshot
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To: Shooter 2.5
Democrats appear to have abandoned gun control

Not in Illinois, where even so called Republicans are jumping on the anti-gun bandwagon.


15 posted on 05/31/2003 1:22:00 PM PDT by Barnacle (A Human Shield Against the Onslaught of Leftist Tripe.)
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To: punster
Ms. Peolosi said, "...when the issue is ripe."

Yeah, like your face, you freak.

FMCDH

16 posted on 05/31/2003 1:22:48 PM PDT by nothingnew (the pendulum swings and the libs are in the pit)
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To: jmc813
Obviously someone who doesn't live in NY, MA, Il, DC, or CA.

Talk about gun control no longer national issue, be fought in the states.

17 posted on 05/31/2003 1:34:11 PM PDT by dts32041 ("The avalanche has started. It is too late for the pebbles to vote.")
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Obviously someone who doesn't live in NY, MA, Il, DC, or CA.

I'm in Jersey, we're almost as bad.

18 posted on 05/31/2003 1:38:50 PM PDT by jmc813 (After two years of FReeping, I've finally created a profile page. Check it out!)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Rummel should go back to the days immediately following the 1994 losses in the House of Representatives supporters of gun control suffered to find out he's very mistaken when he says the issue hasn't cost a candidate a race anywhere. After the 1994 elections even Barney Frank (D-MA) was widely quoted as saying the issue was the reason the Democrats lost the House and that the issue shouldn't be further pursued because it jeopardized the entire Democratic agenda.
19 posted on 05/31/2003 1:47:37 PM PDT by caltrop
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To: jmc813
If you look at that "other" site, there are many liberals who eloquently argue for 2nd Amendment rights, despite being complete leftisits on every other issue.

Those are the types of liberals I can agree to at least disagree with.

Differences in opinion on policy execution are resolvable.
Differences in opinion on Constitutional matters are not.

20 posted on 05/31/2003 2:12:30 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (We are crushing our enemies, seeing him driven before us and hearing the lamentations of the liberal)
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