Eric Rudolph Captured

CNN | May 31,2003 | Vinnie

[Vinnie]

CNN is reporting that Eric Rudolph has been captured in Murphy, North Carolina

[aristeides]

Padilla is accused of being in the Al Qaeda conspiracy. Al Qaeda is at war with us. Padilla is not going to go before a military tribubal. The court upheld keeping him in a military jail as an enemy combatant.

[aristeides]

Last I heard, Padilla was being held in a naval brig in Charleston, SC. Has he been moved?

[goodseedhomeschool]

I have not heard that he admitted to anything. I have heard hype spewed out by the media. I have a hard time believing anything they say.
I understand you want justice as do we all. If justice the the issue though, perhaps Bill Clinton should be brought up to the "tribunal court" as well. He terrorized this country for 8 years and has still not answered for it.

[TexasCajun]

...with all the Bush scandals (NOT!!), this Eric Rudolph might have trouble getting some air-time? Think?

[Darnright]

>Because we are at war, he deserves nothing more than a military tribunal for his crimes.

I hate to intrude here with logic, but we were NOT at war when the crimes took place, and the guy has not been convicted yet (except in the press, which is no surprise).

Have we learned nothing from cases like those of Richard Jewel, and the abduction of Elizabeth Smart? Remember the poor slob of a gardener who was accused of her kidnapping?

[goodseedhomeschool]

I am wondering when all those baby killer doctors will be brought up on terrorist charges and genocide charges. They admit to that for sure, without even blinking an eye.
I don't think anyone should have bombed the abortion clinics, I think the "doctors" should have been given a trial first.

[goodseedhomeschool]

I had the pleasure of knowing officer Jewel after the fact. He is so nice and soft spoken. He really had his life ruined by people who wanted to rush to find a person to pin that on.
I think I learned from him about media and trial more than from anyone because of what he went through. He has moved on from my little town now, but I was glad to know him. The media loves to be the judge and jurors.

[mac_truck]

It looks to me like a confession of the weakness of the case linking him to the Olympic Park bombing.

Or a federal prosecutor who knows how to do his job.

Going after Rudolph on the Olympic Park bombing first is an invitation for the media (and defense) to rehash the Richard Jewell fiasco.

[aristeides]

Aren't you repeating my point that the case linking him with the Olympic Park bombing is weak?

[wardaddy]

I will resist the strong urge to respond to your ridiculous innuendo in the language you apparently prefer, and rather say that I am not your enemy, and that I will now give up trying to reason with you

You are not anti-abortion?...I'm suprised frankly. What have you been trying to reason with me? I merely assumed that you are fairly feminist quasi conservative lady and I'm a very non feminized hardcore right wing cro mag conservative who had tried to be amicable about it all. I missed the ridiculous innuendo part. The only lost cause I'm aware of are folks who are old enough to know better who support abortion.

[Delphinium]

The only lost cause I'm aware of are folks who are old enough to know better who support abortion.

I would agree that most are lost causes, but have known a few who changed their minds. One 35 year old woman I know had 3 abortions. When I became aware that she was pregnant again I begged her to keep the baby. She and her husband decided to, and began preparing to have a family. In the middle of the 5th month her water broke and the baby arrived early. She watched as the EMTs tried to save her baby as it died right in front of her. She was so depressed I didn't know if she would make it. She told me it wasn't so much this baby, but the 3 others she had killed prior that tormented her. They had been further along than this one. She finally had another baby, and is a wonderful mother. This baby was born prematurely, and has some eye problems because of damage she had done to her body using abortion as birth control in the past.

[mac_truck]

Aren't you repeating my point that the case linking him with the Olympic Park bombing is weak?

No, I'm saying the prosecution has a stronger case in Alabama, and a different set of circumstances than Atlanta. Why screw around with the Olympic Park bombing (and all its attendant baggage), when you have a better, more recent case in the abortion clinic bombing? There's plenty of time to come back to that case after he's been tried in the others.

[wardaddy]

I heard on ABC radio this morning that it was Birmingham because that was the simplest case and the best evidence (and I suppose where the cop died).

Also is usual form, they referred to the abortion mill as a "women's clinic"....abortion was never mentioned.

One sidenote: I have read that his Mom was apparently a bit cuckoo and was taking him to Christian Identity "communes" as a boy. I wonder how the media or his attorneys will play that in this age of "I'm a victim too" indulgences.

[Central_Floridian]

Exactly!!!
I think it is interesting that many of the people who think that terrorism against abortion clinics is acceptable will point to the "partisans" of WW2 (radical terrorists, really)
to justify themselves.
What exactly did the "resistance fighters" accomplish? Nothing other than getting more Jews and more of their own countrymen and women killed.
Many would say that the time and effort of the "resistance fighters" would have been better spent trying to persuade the Germans to believe as they did.
Instead they took the law into their own hands and killed German soldiers who were simply doing their job and judicial officials of their own countries to impose their beliefs on other people (not that what they believed was necessarily wrong).
Do you think that made the Germans or the local officials more likely to change what they were doing?
Even if somone is doing something really bad, wouldn't it be better to persuade them than kill them?
Unless people are willing to respect law and order, the opinions of other people, and their legal rights, what do you think the chances are of a satisfactory solution being reached?

[from occupied ga]

but we were NOT at war when the crimes took place,

And we're still not at war unless I missed Congress's declaration of it.

and the guy has not been convicted yet (except in the press, which is no surprise).

Convicted by the FBI. After all being accused is just as good as convicted for some people. These same people seem to for get that if due process is suspended for one citizen, then it can be suspended for any citizen including them.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

I remember the dreadful wounds of the injured clinic worker.

Do you also remember the dreadful wounds of all the dead babies?

[Central_Floridian]

What is the "Triple name demonization"?

[wardaddy]

When I was quite young. I took a young woman who was a friend of mine to a "clinic" because no one else would and she was terrified and hysterical and her boyfriend had washed his hands of her.

After the "procedure", she was almost having a nervous breakdown, she was so distraught when I went into the recovery room. I tried to console her...it was a very very bad experience. What was worse was that in the bed next to her was an older coiffed career women in her 30s who kept admonishing the young girl I knew to "quit squalling, that she (the mistress of the universe type) was damn glad to get that "thing" out of her and the girl I was with kept squalling that she had "killed her baby". This was 1974. I was 17. I know the young girl I accompanied that day has never had another abortion and to this day seriously laments the fact that she did. I would bet the harridan in the bed next to her has never changed her views about killing that "thing" that she obviously viewed as nothing more than an internal wart.

It was pivotal to me and as I grew older and had children later, it sealed it for me. I would venture that at least 20-25% of the dating girls in my High School had abortions in the early 70s and I bet many have guilt over it now. But married older women who don't blink at it are never going to change. Neither are shiftless men who lay seed and move on without a second thought.

[Delphinium]

But married older women who don't blink at it are never going to change. Neither are shiftless men who lay seed and move on without a second thought.

Their conscience is seared. Some of the strongest pro-abort people have had, or payed for abortions.